Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste R, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > > > > > > > > > > > > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the gods have spoken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have listened and thus the gods speak: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within the dream > > > > > > > > > > everything is possible > > > > > > > > > > nothing is preordained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey............wait a minute...........I thought there were no separate things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we cannot separate fact from fiction.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we from thee or thee from me.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes from eons.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waiting from going.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from from from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh hell..you know what i mean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......I think I know what I think you are saying after what you say is cross referenced and compared to and interpolated with my personal perceptual-conceptual interface........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > Don't encourage him toom! > > > > > > > > > > Almost everyone on this list has gone through the trouble of coming up with something original. His only originality is that he says, over and over again, that it's OK to be an unoriginal idiot. > > > > > > > > > > But we already know that. Just look at the world. It's full of idiots like bobo. Why do we need to be reminded of his moronic monkey shines? > > > > > > > > > > Frankly, I don't even read what he says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Frankly, I don't even read what he says. " > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > yep you bet. > > > > > > > > that's why you have such stupid opinions.. > > > > > > > > about what he's written. > > > > > > > > you never read it. > > > > > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > > > > > what a fucking dummy. > > > > > > > > you stalk every post of .b b.b. > > > > > > > > baba haunts your every waking moment pancho. > > > > > > > > you know it. > > > > > > > > of course.. > > > > > > > > you aren't awake very much anyway.. > > > > > > > > so suck it up and live with it. > > > > > > > > baba's ghost won't crowd you in your hovel. > > > > > > > > but your obsession will continue to laugh at you. > > > > > > > > poor bastard. > > > > > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry boys, I just don't get it... Must be that missing Y chromosone. > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > ~ > > > > > > not to worry anna.. > > > > that's the same reason pancho doesn't get it either. > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > But I love all you boyz in the hood. > > Some more *equally* than others. > > > ROFL. > > ~A well now that makes me blush more equally gal. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste R, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the gods have spoken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have listened and thus the gods speak: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within the dream > > > > > > > > > > > everything is possible > > > > > > > > > > > nothing is preordained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey............wait a minute...........I thought there were no separate things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we cannot separate fact from fiction.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we from thee or thee from me.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes from eons.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waiting from going.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from from from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh hell..you know what i mean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......I think I know what I think you are saying after what you say is cross referenced and compared to and interpolated with my personal perceptual-conceptual interface........ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't encourage him toom! > > > > > > > > > > > > Almost everyone on this list has gone through the trouble of coming up with something original. His only originality is that he says, over and over again, that it's OK to be an unoriginal idiot. > > > > > > > > > > > > But we already know that. Just look at the world. It's full of idiots like bobo. Why do we need to be reminded of his moronic monkey shines? > > > > > > > > > > > > Frankly, I don't even read what he says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Frankly, I don't even read what he says. " > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > yep you bet. > > > > > > > > > > that's why you have such stupid opinions.. > > > > > > > > > > about what he's written. > > > > > > > > > > you never read it. > > > > > > > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > > > > > > > what a fucking dummy. > > > > > > > > > > you stalk every post of .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > baba haunts your every waking moment pancho. > > > > > > > > > > you know it. > > > > > > > > > > of course.. > > > > > > > > > > you aren't awake very much anyway.. > > > > > > > > > > so suck it up and live with it. > > > > > > > > > > baba's ghost won't crowd you in your hovel. > > > > > > > > > > but your obsession will continue to laugh at you. > > > > > > > > > > poor bastard. > > > > > > > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry boys, I just don't get it... Must be that missing Y chromosone. > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > > > ~ > > > > > > > > > not to worry anna.. > > > > > > that's the same reason pancho doesn't get it either. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > But I love all you boyz in the hood. > > > > Some more *equally* than others. > > > > > > ROFL. > > > > ~A > > > well now that makes me blush more equally gal. > > .b b.b. > .......and like a certain odd species of baboon.....toombaru blushes all over.......grabs the bars and shakes them with abandon........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 > > > > > > But I love all you boyz in the hood. > > Some more *equally* than others. > > > ROFL. > > ~A P: And I know that you love me most, because as the mirror on the wall said, I'm the handsomest of them all. Or could it be that you.... are just horny? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 > > > > P: Of course there isn't. It's the mind which > > is asking. The mind is not constant, but it > > cannot remember when it's not there. So it > > has this sense of being its own prisoner. It's > > much the same situation as if the warden of a > > prison were to suffer a peculiar kind of amnesia, > > in which he would not remember the hours he spends > > outside the prison. Since his memory works, only > > when at work, he thinks he is a prisoner himself. > > > nice metaphor Pete. > > it may well be that the " outside " he forgets.. > > is just another kind of prison anyway. > > should the warden walk the green mile.. > > at it's end lies the end of his world.. > > the end of the inconstant illusion. > > .b b.b. P: " The end of inconstant illusion " well said! 'What always is' cannot be known by the contrast of now you see it, now you don't; therefore, it remains unseen, until a different kind of seeing dawns. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 mind itself is a concept which never exists, the film plays by itself till you desire. -mahesh cerosoul <pedsie6Nisargadatta Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2009 10:01:06 PM Re: Edward Wilson > > > > P: Of course there isn't. It's the mind which> > is asking. The mind is not constant, but it> > cannot remember when it's not there. So it> > has this sense of being its own prisoner. It's> > much the same situation as if the warden of a> > prison were to suffer a peculiar kind of amnesia,> > in which he would not remember the hours he spends> > outside the prison. Since his memory works, only> > when at work, he thinks he is a prisoner himself.> > > nice metaphor Pete.> > it may well be that the "outside" he forgets..> > is just another kind of prison anyway.> > should the warden walk the green mile..> > at it's end lies the end of his world..> > the end of the inconstant illusion.> > .b b.b.P: "The end of inconstant illusion" well said!'What always is' cannot be known by the contrastof now you see it, now you don't; therefore, itremains unseen, until a different kind of seeingdawns.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Oh c'mon! If the mind doesn't exist.. neither do " you " .. nor your " desire " .. nor any stupid film. you're playing with yourself. and that's a hard thing to do for a nonexistent thing. keep up the good work. it's easy.. it doesn't exist. :-) ..b b.b. p.s. baba is playing with you.. a game that doesn't exist. if you accept the mission.. this message will self destroy in 10 seconds. and it's not easy destroying nonexistent messages... and dangerous too. it might blow up into something. LOL! Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote: > > mind itself is a concept which never exists, the film plays by itself till you desire. > -mahesh > > > > ________________________________ > cerosoul <pedsie6 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, April 5, 2009 10:01:06 PM > Re: Edward Wilson > > > > > > > > > P: Of course there isn't. It's the mind which > > > is asking. The mind is not constant, but it > > > cannot remember when it's not there. So it > > > has this sense of being its own prisoner. It's > > > much the same situation as if the warden of a > > > prison were to suffer a peculiar kind of amnesia, > > > in which he would not remember the hours he spends > > > outside the prison. Since his memory works, only > > > when at work, he thinks he is a prisoner himself. > > > > > > nice metaphor Pete. > > > > it may well be that the " outside " he forgets.. > > > > is just another kind of prison anyway. > > > > should the warden walk the green mile.. > > > > at it's end lies the end of his world.. > > > > the end of the inconstant illusion. > > > > .b b.b. > > P: " The end of inconstant illusion " well said! > 'What always is' cannot be known by the contrast > of now you see it, now you don't; therefore, it > remains unseen, until a different kind of seeing > dawns. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote: > > mind itself is a concept which never exists, the film plays by itself till you desire. > -mahesh > > > > ________________________________ > cerosoul <pedsie6 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, April 5, 2009 10:01:06 PM > Re: Edward Wilson > > > > > > > > > P: Of course there isn't. It's the mind which > > > is asking. The mind is not constant, but it > > > cannot remember when it's not there. So it > > > has this sense of being its own prisoner. It's > > > much the same situation as if the warden of a > > > prison were to suffer a peculiar kind of amnesia, > > > in which he would not remember the hours he spends > > > outside the prison. Since his memory works, only > > > when at work, he thinks he is a prisoner himself. > > > > > > nice metaphor Pete. > > > > it may well be that the " outside " he forgets.. > > > > is just another kind of prison anyway. > > > > should the warden walk the green mile.. > > > > at it's end lies the end of his world.. > > > > the end of the inconstant illusion. > > > > .b b.b. > > P: " The end of inconstant illusion " well said! > 'What always is' cannot be known by the contrast > of now you see it, now you don't; therefore, it > remains unseen, until a different kind of seeing > dawns. > > > Did you say inconstant of incontinent? :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote: > > > > mind itself is a concept which never exists, the film plays by itself till you desire. > > -mahesh > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > cerosoul <pedsie6@> > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, April 5, 2009 10:01:06 PM > > Re: Edward Wilson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Of course there isn't. It's the mind which > > > > is asking. The mind is not constant, but it > > > > cannot remember when it's not there. So it > > > > has this sense of being its own prisoner. It's > > > > much the same situation as if the warden of a > > > > prison were to suffer a peculiar kind of amnesia, > > > > in which he would not remember the hours he spends > > > > outside the prison. Since his memory works, only > > > > when at work, he thinks he is a prisoner himself. > > > > > > > > > nice metaphor Pete. > > > > > > it may well be that the " outside " he forgets.. > > > > > > is just another kind of prison anyway. > > > > > > should the warden walk the green mile.. > > > > > > at it's end lies the end of his world.. > > > > > > the end of the inconstant illusion. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > P: " The end of inconstant illusion " well said! > > 'What always is' cannot be known by the contrast > > of now you see it, now you don't; therefore, it > > remains unseen, until a different kind of seeing > > dawns. > > > > > > > > > Did you say inconstant of incontinent? > > > > > :-0 > > > toombaru in which continent? the leaky one? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote: > > > > > > mind itself is a concept which never exists, the film plays by itself till you desire. > > > -mahesh > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > cerosoul <pedsie6@> > > > Nisargadatta > > > Sunday, April 5, 2009 10:01:06 PM > > > Re: Edward Wilson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Of course there isn't. It's the mind which > > > > > is asking. The mind is not constant, but it > > > > > cannot remember when it's not there. So it > > > > > has this sense of being its own prisoner. It's > > > > > much the same situation as if the warden of a > > > > > prison were to suffer a peculiar kind of amnesia, > > > > > in which he would not remember the hours he spends > > > > > outside the prison. Since his memory works, only > > > > > when at work, he thinks he is a prisoner himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > nice metaphor Pete. > > > > > > > > it may well be that the " outside " he forgets.. > > > > > > > > is just another kind of prison anyway. > > > > > > > > should the warden walk the green mile.. > > > > > > > > at it's end lies the end of his world.. > > > > > > > > the end of the inconstant illusion. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > P: " The end of inconstant illusion " well said! > > > 'What always is' cannot be known by the contrast > > > of now you see it, now you don't; therefore, it > > > remains unseen, until a different kind of seeing > > > dawns. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you say inconstant of incontinent? > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > toombaru > > > in which continent? > > the leaky one? > > .b b.b. > LOL They're all leaking. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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