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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> Allow me to try to express the meaning of a cloud that just passed through my

mind.

> Perhaps it smells a bit better then the footage on the electrons.... :>)

>

> Seems to me that in order not to fall inadverteddly into the trap of duality

one must be aware

> of the one fundamental duality inherent to the nature of " what is " .

>

> The uni-versal coin has two basic sides: the non-manifest, non-aparent,

all-potencial, is-ness...

> and...the other side, manifestation.

>

> This primal manifestation is not yet what we could call human consciousness,

it is much finer then that,

> but the primordial mind with a second-grade, coarser potencial. The former has

the limitless infinite potencial

> of all. The later the infinite limitless potencial of all possible

manifestation - included human consciousness.

>

> -geo-

>

 

 

 

This may surprise you........but a coin doesn't really have two sides.

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> > Allow me to try to express the meaning of a cloud that just passed through

> > my mind.

> > Perhaps it smells a bit better then the footage on the electrons.... :>)

> >

> > Seems to me that in order not to fall inadverteddly into the trap of

> > duality one must be aware

> > of the one fundamental duality inherent to the nature of " what is " .

> >

> > The uni-versal coin has two basic sides: the non-manifest, non-aparent,

> > all-potencial, is-ness...

> > and...the other side, manifestation.

> >

> > This primal manifestation is not yet what we could call human

> > consciousness, it is much finer then that,

> > but the primordial mind with a second-grade, coarser potencial. The former

> > has the limitless infinite potencial

> > of all. The later the infinite limitless potencial of all possible

> > manifestation - included human consciousness.

> >

> > -geo-

> >

>

> This may surprise you........but a coin doesn't really have two sides.

>

> toombaru

>

>

> geo> Still shaking.... very shocking indeed.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You think that is shocking.............just wait.

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > > Allow me to try to express the meaning of a cloud that just passed through

> > > my mind.

> > > Perhaps it smells a bit better then the footage on the electrons.... :>)

> > >

> > > Seems to me that in order not to fall inadverteddly into the trap of

> > > duality one must be aware

> > > of the one fundamental duality inherent to the nature of " what is " .

> > >

> > > The uni-versal coin has two basic sides: the non-manifest, non-aparent,

> > > all-potencial, is-ness...

> > > and...the other side, manifestation.

> > >

> > > This primal manifestation is not yet what we could call human

> > > consciousness, it is much finer then that,

> > > but the primordial mind with a second-grade, coarser potencial. The former

> > > has the limitless infinite potencial

> > > of all. The later the infinite limitless potencial of all possible

> > > manifestation - included human consciousness.

> > >

> > > -geo-

> > >

> >

> > This may surprise you........but a coin doesn't really have two sides.

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> > geo> Still shaking.... very shocking indeed.

> >

>

>

You think that is shocking.............just wait.

 

geo> For what?

>

>

>

>

>

> :-0

>

>

>

> toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Allow me to try to express the meaning of a cloud that just passed

through

> > > > my mind.

> > > > Perhaps it smells a bit better then the footage on the electrons.... :>)

> > > >

> > > > Seems to me that in order not to fall inadverteddly into the trap of

> > > > duality one must be aware

> > > > of the one fundamental duality inherent to the nature of " what is " .

> > > >

> > > > The uni-versal coin has two basic sides: the non-manifest, non-aparent,

> > > > all-potencial, is-ness...

> > > > and...the other side, manifestation.

> > > >

> > > > This primal manifestation is not yet what we could call human

> > > > consciousness, it is much finer then that,

> > > > but the primordial mind with a second-grade, coarser potencial. The

former

> > > > has the limitless infinite potencial

> > > > of all. The later the infinite limitless potencial of all possible

> > > > manifestation - included human consciousness.

> > > >

> > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > >

> > > This may surprise you........but a coin doesn't really have two sides.

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > > geo> Still shaking.... very shocking indeed.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > You think that is shocking.............just wait.

>

> geo> For what?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > :-0

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

 

 

 

When you stick your head through the ego bubble......and see only emptiness.

 

 

 

:-0

 

 

 

 

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> > > > Allow me to try to express the meaning of a cloud that just passed

> > > > through

> > > > my mind.

> > > > Perhaps it smells a bit better then the footage on the electrons....

> > > > :>)

> > > >

> > > > Seems to me that in order not to fall inadverteddly into the trap of

> > > > duality one must be aware

> > > > of the one fundamental duality inherent to the nature of " what is " .

> > > >

> > > > The uni-versal coin has two basic sides: the non-manifest,

> > > > non-aparent,

> > > > all-potencial, is-ness...

> > > > and...the other side, manifestation.

> > > >

> > > > This primal manifestation is not yet what we could call human

> > > > consciousness, it is much finer then that,

> > > > but the primordial mind with a second-grade, coarser potencial. The

> > > > former

> > > > has the limitless infinite potencial

> > > > of all. The later the infinite limitless potencial of all possible

> > > > manifestation - included human consciousness.

> > > >

> > > > -geo-

> > > >

> > >

> > > This may surprise you........but a coin doesn't really have two sides.

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > > geo> Still shaking.... very shocking indeed.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > You think that is shocking.............just wait.

>

> geo> For what?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > :-0

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

 

When you stick your head through the ego bubble......and see only emptiness.

 

:-0

 

toombaru

 

 

geo> No-thing-ness that is everthing

Who is there to be shocked?

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> > > > > Allow me to try to express the meaning of a cloud that just passed

> > > > > through

> > > > > my mind.

> > > > > Perhaps it smells a bit better then the footage on the electrons....

> > > > > :>)

> > > > >

> > > > > Seems to me that in order not to fall inadverteddly into the trap of

> > > > > duality one must be aware

> > > > > of the one fundamental duality inherent to the nature of " what is " .

> > > > >

> > > > > The uni-versal coin has two basic sides: the non-manifest,

> > > > > non-aparent,

> > > > > all-potencial, is-ness...

> > > > > and...the other side, manifestation.

> > > > >

> > > > > This primal manifestation is not yet what we could call human

> > > > > consciousness, it is much finer then that,

> > > > > but the primordial mind with a second-grade, coarser potencial. The

> > > > > former

> > > > > has the limitless infinite potencial

> > > > > of all. The later the infinite limitless potencial of all possible

> > > > > manifestation - included human consciousness.

> > > > >

> > > > > -geo-

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > This may surprise you........but a coin doesn't really have two sides.

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > geo> Still shaking.... very shocking indeed.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You think that is shocking.............just wait.

> >

> > geo> For what?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > :-0

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> >

>

> When you stick your head through the ego bubble......and see only emptiness.

>

> :-0

>

> toombaru

>

>

> geo> No-thing-ness that is everything.

 

 

 

 

Usually such thinking is the self intuiting that it simply doesn't exist.

 

And if it can be anything.......then it will settle on being everything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Who is there to be shocked?

>

 

 

 

 

 

Good question.

 

Who's asking?

 

 

 

 

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> > When you stick your head through the ego bubble......and see only emptiness.

> >

> > :-0

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> > geo> No-thing-ness that is everything.

>

>

>

>

> Usually such thinking is the self intuiting that it simply doesn't exist.

>

> And if it can be anything.......then it will settle on being everything.

 

This is interesting...

not the same old toombaru yadayada...

 

However, a little logic mill for

you to trundle through...

 

Your bottom line assertion is,

again and again, " there is no self " ...

[Agreed?]

 

But then you speak of " the self

intuiting that it simply doesn't exist. "

 

What gives?

 

How can something that does not

exist " intuit " anything?

 

 

>

> > Who is there to be shocked?

> Good question.

>

> Who's asking?

 

the old toombaru yadayada :)

 

 

Bill

 

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

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> <snip>

>

> > > When you stick your head through the ego bubble......and see only

emptiness.

> > >

> > > :-0

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > > geo> No-thing-ness that is everything.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Usually such thinking is the self intuiting that it simply doesn't exist.

> >

> > And if it can be anything.......then it will settle on being everything.

>

> This is interesting...

> not the same old toombaru yadayada...

>

> However, a little logic mill for

> you to trundle through...

 

 

 

Oh....you think that logic can be applied to the imaginary world of spirituality

and religion?

 

 

You cannot discover what you imagine to be the " truth " by stacking shadows.

 

There is a logical-relativity that can be demonstrated in the physical

world.....in the imaginary-conceptual there is no logic.

 

What color was Cinderella's dress?

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

> Your bottom line assertion is,

> again and again, " there is no self " ...

> [Agreed?]

 

 

 

 

There are no separate things.

There is no self.

The sense of being a separate, autonomous being is an illusion.

 

 

 

 

>

> But then you speak of " the self

> intuiting that it simply doesn't exist. "

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes.

That is the " breakthrough " .

That is the " awakening " .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

> What gives?

>

> How can something that does not

> exist " intuit " anything?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't know.

No one does.

Where did your self go?

Where did it come from?

Where did all the people....including yourself....come from in your dream last

night?

Where are they now?

Are you the same person that had coffee with me that morning in Gilroy?

Am I the same person you remember?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

>

> >

> > > Who is there to be shocked?

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Good question.

> >

> > Who's asking?

>

> the old toombaru yadayada :)

>

>

> Bill

>

 

 

 

 

Indeed.

 

It always simmers down to that.

 

 

 

 

Hey.......How's that GrandBaby?

 

 

 

love

 

 

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> How can something that does not> exist "intuit" anything?Don't know.No one does.Where did your self go?Where did it come from?Where did all the people....including yourself....come from in your dream last night?Where are they now?Are you the same person that had coffee with me that morning in Gilroy?Am I the same person you remember?

geo> What happens is this ;>/

There is no ego. What we usually call ego is an ever-changing set of reaction, habits, beliefs...

born from the need of survival. Now... er....er..hamm....cough...cough, this deeply ingrained beleif

leaves traces that are quite easilly recognizable. Such things as jealousy, anger, hatred, envy.....

One could ask the question: if there is no self how can one be selfish? (thats a good one...)

One is selfish trying to protect the immaginary inner fixed entity that in fact is not an entity

and much the less fixed. So where are we left now....? Here: we act AS IF we had a fixed entity.

There is none but the set of conditionings that we find in ourselves is as if we had it.

 

Arrrrg....heeermmm.....heinmmm... bleeeeeeeerp....a glass of water please...

Any questions?

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> How can something that does not

> exist " intuit " anything?

 

Don't know.

No one does.

Where did your self go?

Where did it come from?

Where did all the people....including yourself....come from in your dream

last night?

Where are they now?

Are you the same person that had coffee with me that morning in Gilroy?

Am I the same person you remember?

 

geo> What happens is this ;>/

There is no ego. What we usually call ego is an ever-changing set of

reaction, habits, beliefs...

born from the need of survival. Now... er....er..hamm....cough...cough, this

deeply ingrained beleif

leaves traces that are quite easilly recognizable. Such things as jealousy,

anger, hatred, envy.....

One could ask the question: if there is no self how can one be selfish?

(thats a good one...)

One is selfish trying to protect the immaginary inner fixed entity that in

fact is not an entity

and much the less fixed. So where are we left now....? Here: we act AS IF we

had a fixed entity.

There is none but the set of conditionings that we find in ourselves is as

if we had it.

 

Arrrrg....heeermmm.....heinmmm... bleeeeeeeerp....a glass of water please...

Any questions?

====

To be more strict to say that the ego IS-anything is not correct at all. The

deeply ingrained

beleif urges the body to think, feel, act in a peculiar way, such a way that

to an onlooker looks

like as if it (the organism) had something real to protect.

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

>

>

>

> > How can something that does not

> > exist " intuit " anything?

>

> Don't know.

> No one does.

> Where did your self go?

> Where did it come from?

> Where did all the people....including yourself....come from in your dream

> last night?

> Where are they now?

> Are you the same person that had coffee with me that morning in Gilroy?

> Am I the same person you remember?

>

> geo> What happens is this ;>/

> There is no ego. What we usually call ego is an ever-changing set of

> reaction, habits, beliefs...

> born from the need of survival. Now... er....er..hamm....cough...cough, this

> deeply ingrained beleif

> leaves traces that are quite easilly recognizable. Such things as jealousy,

> anger, hatred, envy.....

> One could ask the question: if there is no self how can one be selfish?

> (thats a good one...)

> One is selfish trying to protect the immaginary inner fixed entity that in

> fact is not an entity

> and much the less fixed. So where are we left now....? Here: we act AS IF we

> had a fixed entity.

> There is none but the set of conditionings that we find in ourselves is as

> if we had it.

>

> Arrrrg....heeermmm.....heinmmm... bleeeeeeeerp....a glass of water please...

> Any questions?

> ====

> To be more strict to say that the ego IS-anything is not correct at all. The

> deeply ingrained

> beleif urges the body to think, feel, act in a peculiar way, such a way that

> to an onlooker looks

> like as if it (the organism) had something real to protect.

>

 

 

 

It has its own self image to protect......

....it is.....at the same time...the image.......and the one doing the

protecting.

 

 

 

(Something just started laughing here........but I'm not at all sure who that

is)

 

 

 

toombaru

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> > How can something that does not

> > exist " intuit " anything?

>

> Don't know.

> No one does.

> Where did your self go?

> Where did it come from?

> Where did all the people....including yourself....come from in your dream

> last night?

> Where are they now?

> Are you the same person that had coffee with me that morning in Gilroy?

> Am I the same person you remember?

>

> geo> What happens is this ;>/

> There is no ego. What we usually call ego is an ever-changing set of

> reaction, habits, beliefs...

> born from the need of survival. Now... er....er..hamm....cough...cough,

> this

> deeply ingrained beleif

> leaves traces that are quite easilly recognizable. Such things as

> jealousy,

> anger, hatred, envy.....

> One could ask the question: if there is no self how can one be selfish?

> (thats a good one...)

> One is selfish trying to protect the immaginary inner fixed entity that in

> fact is not an entity

> and much the less fixed. So where are we left now....? Here: we act AS IF

> we

> had a fixed entity.

> There is none but the set of conditionings that we find in ourselves is as

> if we had it.

>

> Arrrrg....heeermmm.....heinmmm... bleeeeeeeerp....a glass of water

> please...

> Any questions?

> ====

> To be more strict to say that the ego IS-anything is not correct at all.

> The

> deeply ingrained

> beleif urges the body to think, feel, act in a peculiar way, such a way

> that

> to an onlooker looks

> like as if it (the organism) had something real to protect.

>

 

It has its own self image to protect......

....it is.....at the same time...the image.......and the one doing the

protecting.

 

(Something just started laughing here........but I'm not at all sure who

that is)

 

geo> Right. But let us not make this too ephemerous (what the hell is

that?).

In fact what we do to build this pseudo-image involves a trick that can be

unmasked

through carefull investigation. In order to have a self we must be the

observer. To say

" myself " is the same as to say " me the observer " . Now here comes the trick:

In order to be this observer we MUST project a core of non-observation.

Obviously

in order to observe things outside of itself it (self) must remain

un-observed.

This core of non-observation is FACTUAL. This act of ignorance is not

illusion, or

a projection, or a thought. We actually fragment consciousness into two

peaces:

one is object and the other is subject, being the later son of

un-observation.

 

So there seems to be a kind of a skill in the act of looking, seeing,

withouth leaving place

to the un-observed observer.

 

Consciousness as the manifested aspect of what is, this light, this

manifestation that involves

the senses, the body, the whole organism must be seen as one non-fragmented

movement: in

our case, the movement of humanity...

 

After all this I need more then just water....

 

 

toombaru

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> > > How can something that does not

> > > exist " intuit " anything?

> >

> > Don't know.

> > No one does.

> > Where did your self go?

> > Where did it come from?

> > Where did all the people....including yourself....come from in your dream

> > last night?

> > Where are they now?

> > Are you the same person that had coffee with me that morning in Gilroy?

> > Am I the same person you remember?

> >

> > geo> What happens is this ;>/

> > There is no ego. What we usually call ego is an ever-changing set of

> > reaction, habits, beliefs...

> > born from the need of survival. Now... er....er..hamm....cough...cough,

> > this

> > deeply ingrained beleif

> > leaves traces that are quite easilly recognizable. Such things as

> > jealousy,

> > anger, hatred, envy.....

> > One could ask the question: if there is no self how can one be selfish?

> > (thats a good one...)

> > One is selfish trying to protect the immaginary inner fixed entity that in

> > fact is not an entity

> > and much the less fixed. So where are we left now....? Here: we act AS IF

> > we

> > had a fixed entity.

> > There is none but the set of conditionings that we find in ourselves is as

> > if we had it.

> >

> > Arrrrg....heeermmm.....heinmmm... bleeeeeeeerp....a glass of water

> > please...

> > Any questions?

> > ====

> > To be more strict to say that the ego IS-anything is not correct at all.

> > The

> > deeply ingrained

> > beleif urges the body to think, feel, act in a peculiar way, such a way

> > that

> > to an onlooker looks

> > like as if it (the organism) had something real to protect.

> >

>

> It has its own self image to protect......

> ...it is.....at the same time...the image.......and the one doing the

> protecting.

>

> (Something just started laughing here........but I'm not at all sure who

> that is)

>

> geo> Right. But let us not make this too ephemerous (what the hell is

> that?).

> In fact what we do to build this pseudo-image involves a trick that can be

> unmasked

> through carefull investigation. In order to have a self we must be the

> observer. To say

> " myself " is the same as to say " me the observer " . Now here comes the trick:

> In order to be this observer we MUST project a core of non-observation.

> Obviously

> in order to observe things outside of itself it (self) must remain

> un-observed.

> This core of non-observation is FACTUAL. This act of ignorance is not

> illusion, or

> a projection, or a thought. We actually fragment consciousness into two

> peaces:

> one is object and the other is subject, being the later son of

> un-observation.

>

> So there seems to be a kind of a skill in the act of looking, seeing,

> withouth leaving place

> to the un-observed observer.

>

> Consciousness as the manifested aspect of what is, this light, this

> manifestation that involves

> the senses, the body, the whole organism must be seen as one non-fragmented

> movement: in

> our case, the movement of humanity...

>

> After all this I need more then just water....

>

>

> toombaru

>

> toombaru

>

 

 

 

Oh Chist...........now there's two of me.

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > How can something that does not

> > > > exist " intuit " anything?

> > >

> > > Don't know.

> > > No one does.

> > > Where did your self go?

> > > Where did it come from?

> > > Where did all the people....including yourself....come from in your dream

> > > last night?

> > > Where are they now?

> > > Are you the same person that had coffee with me that morning in Gilroy?

> > > Am I the same person you remember?

> > >

> > > geo> What happens is this ;>/

> > > There is no ego. What we usually call ego is an ever-changing set of

> > > reaction, habits, beliefs...

> > > born from the need of survival. Now... er....er..hamm....cough...cough,

this

> > > deeply ingrained beleif

> > > leaves traces that are quite easilly recognizable. Such things as

jealousy,

> > > anger, hatred, envy.....

> > > One could ask the question: if there is no self how can one be selfish?

> > > (thats a good one...)

> > > One is selfish trying to protect the immaginary inner fixed entity that in

> > > fact is not an entity

> > > and much the less fixed. So where are we left now....? Here: we act AS IF

we

> > > had a fixed entity.

> > > There is none but the set of conditionings that we find in ourselves is as

> > > if we had it.

> > >

> > > Arrrrg....heeermmm.....heinmmm... bleeeeeeeerp....a glass of water

please...

> > > Any questions?

> > > ====

> > > To be more strict to say that the ego IS-anything is not correct at all.

The

> > > deeply ingrained

> > > beleif urges the body to think, feel, act in a peculiar way, such a way

that

> > > to an onlooker looks

> > > like as if it (the organism) had something real to protect.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > It has its own self image to protect......

> > ...it is.....at the same time...the image.......and the one doing the

protecting.

> >

> >

> >

> > (Something just started laughing here........but I'm not at all sure who

that is)

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

>

> that.....that laughing thing..

>

> it's name is:

>

> borborygmus.

>

> always shows up just before..

>

> the arrival of the three spirits on Xmas Eve.

>

> usual cause:

>

> bits of undigested beef...

>

> more of gravy than the grave.

>

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

 

That's odd.......I was thinking the same thing.

 

 

 

 

:-0

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > How can something that does not

> > > > > exist " intuit " anything?

> > > >

> > > > Don't know.

> > > > No one does.

> > > > Where did your self go?

> > > > Where did it come from?

> > > > Where did all the people....including yourself....come from in your

dream

> > > > last night?

> > > > Where are they now?

> > > > Are you the same person that had coffee with me that morning in Gilroy?

> > > > Am I the same person you remember?

> > > >

> > > > geo> What happens is this ;>/

> > > > There is no ego. What we usually call ego is an ever-changing set of

> > > > reaction, habits, beliefs...

> > > > born from the need of survival. Now... er....er..hamm....cough...cough,

this

> > > > deeply ingrained beleif

> > > > leaves traces that are quite easilly recognizable. Such things as

jealousy,

> > > > anger, hatred, envy.....

> > > > One could ask the question: if there is no self how can one be selfish?

> > > > (thats a good one...)

> > > > One is selfish trying to protect the immaginary inner fixed entity that

in

> > > > fact is not an entity

> > > > and much the less fixed. So where are we left now....? Here: we act AS

IF we

> > > > had a fixed entity.

> > > > There is none but the set of conditionings that we find in ourselves is

as

> > > > if we had it.

> > > >

> > > > Arrrrg....heeermmm.....heinmmm... bleeeeeeeerp....a glass of water

please...

> > > > Any questions?

> > > > ====

> > > > To be more strict to say that the ego IS-anything is not correct at all.

The

> > > > deeply ingrained

> > > > beleif urges the body to think, feel, act in a peculiar way, such a way

that

> > > > to an onlooker looks

> > > > like as if it (the organism) had something real to protect.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It has its own self image to protect......

> > > ...it is.....at the same time...the image.......and the one doing the

protecting.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > (Something just started laughing here........but I'm not at all sure who

that is)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> >

> >

> > that.....that laughing thing..

> >

> > it's name is:

> >

> > borborygmus.

> >

> > always shows up just before..

> >

> > the arrival of the three spirits on Xmas Eve.

> >

> > usual cause:

> >

> > bits of undigested beef...

> >

> > more of gravy than the grave.

> >

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

>

> That's odd.......I was thinking the same thing.

>

>

>

>

> :-0

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

is...is....is that you Marley?!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , "toombaru2006" <lastrain wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "billrishel" <illusyn@> wrote:> >> > <snip>> > > > > > When you stick your head through the ego bubble......and see only emptiness.> > > > > > > > :-0> > > > > > > > toombaru> > > > > > > > > > > > geo> No-thing-ness that is everything.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Usually such thinking is the self intuiting that it simply doesn't exist.> > > > > > And if it can be anything.......then it will settle on being everything.> > > > This is interesting...> > not the same old toombaru yadayada...> > > > However, a little logic mill for> > you to trundle through...> > > > Oh....you think that logic can be applied to the imaginary world of spirituality and religion?> > > You cannot discover what you imagine to be the "truth" by stacking shadows.> > There is a logical-relativity that can be demonstrated in the physical world.....in the imaginary-conceptual there is no logic.> > What color was Cinderella's dress? > > > > > > > > > > Your bottom line assertion is,> > again and again, "there is no self"...> > [Agreed?]> > > > > There are no separate things.> There is no self.> The sense of being a separate, autonomous being is an illusion.> > > > > > > > But then you speak of "the self > > intuiting that it simply doesn't exist."> > > > > > > > Yes.> That is the "breakthrough".> That is the "awakening".To say that it is the "self" intuitingthat it does not exist is an odd statementat best.In terms of a "darwinian" notion of consciousness, one could say that the"notion of self" as an "ordering principle"simply lost out in the evolutionary shuffle.Because that is all "self" ever was...an "ordering principle"... a kind ofstrange attractor.Strange attractors are not entities assuch, but rather tendencies in a dynamicfield. Such is "self".BillPS: GrandBaby is great. :)nnb> > > > > What gives?> > > > How can something that does not> > exist "intuit" anything?> > > > > > > > > Don't know.> No one does.> Where did your self go?> Where did it come from?> Where did all the people....including yourself....come from in your dream last night?> Where are they now?> Are you the same person that had coffee with me that morning in Gilroy?> Am I the same person you remember?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is there to be shocked?> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good question.> > > > > > Who's asking?> > > > the old toombaru yadayada :)> > > > > > Bill> > > > > > > Indeed.> > It always simmers down to that.> > > > > Hey.......How's that GrandBaby?> > > > love> > > toombaru>

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Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote:

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>

> PS: GrandBaby is great. :)

 

 

Congrats grandpa... much love to Bill-family.

 

Much love to all..

 

~A

 

 

 

 

 

>

> nnb

 

 

 

 

>

>

> >

> > >

> > > What gives?

> > >

> > > How can something that does not

> > > exist " intuit " anything?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Don't know.

> > No one does.

> > Where did your self go?

> > Where did it come from?

> > Where did all the people....including yourself....come from in your

> dream last night?

> > Where are they now?

> > Are you the same person that had coffee with me that morning in

> Gilroy?

> > Am I the same person you remember?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > Who is there to be shocked?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Good question.

> > > >

> > > > Who's asking?

> > >

> > > the old toombaru yadayada :)

> > >

> > >

> > > Bill

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Indeed.

> >

> > It always simmers down to that.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hey.......How's that GrandBaby?

> >

> >

> >

> > love

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

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