Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 We, all, know the nondual bible by heart. No one can disclose any mysteries to us, they can only come up with new metaphors. We also know the map. The yellow brick road is familiar to us. So, besides, reciting the bible, and discussing the map, what is the guru's role? It's simply to illustrate, to act the goal. To be a good guru, one must be a good actor. One must be able to excite those mirror neurons in others. Very few gurus are Oscar material. It's not enough to have incarnated enlightenment once, you need to live the role, when the audience shows up. And that's hard. So, most teachers settle for illustrating a few signs such as a guru stare, a guru's immobility, or a guru's sweetness and wan smile. It's hard to fool movie critics like us. We have to give credit to anyone who even dares to put such an act. Pete http://cerosoul.wordpress.com http://awakefiction.wordpress.com Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 We, all, know the nondual bible by heart. No one can disclose any mysteries to us, they can only come up with new metaphors. We also know the map. The yellow brick road is familiar to us. So, besides, reciting the bible, and discussing the map, what is the guru's role? It's simply to illustrate, to act the goal. To be a good guru, one must be a good actor. One must be able to excite those mirror neurons in others. geo> I cant agree with this. If such a thing as a guru happens to be needed, I think he must live the correct perspective. The actions that will derive from a self-less perspective will always be the best ones. If acting is need - acting will happen. Very few gurus are Oscar material. It's not enough to have incarnated enlightenment once, you need to live the role, when the audience shows up. And that's hard. geo> What you are saying is that the hard part is to please the audience?! They need Oscar material to convince some audience? Nah.... that is too much holiwood like.... So, most teachers settle for illustrating a few signs such as a guru stare, a guru's immobility, or a guru's sweetness and wan smile. geo> So a guru should illustrate a set of signs? I didnt know about that. It's hard to fool movie critics like us. We have to give credit to anyone who even dares to put such an act. geo> Why should anyone give credit to such a foolish thing? Why pretend to be anything - just make shure you are. Pete -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > We, all, know the nondual bible by heart. > No one can disclose any mysteries to us, > they can only come up with new metaphors. > > We also know the map. The yellow brick road > is familiar to us. So, besides, reciting the > bible, and discussing the map, what is the > guru's role? It's simply to illustrate, to > act the goal. To be a good guru, one must be > a good actor. One must be able to excite those > mirror neurons in others. > > geo> I cant agree with this. If such a thing as a guru happens to be needed, > I think he must live the correct perspective. The actions that will derive > from > a self-less perspective will always be the best ones. If acting is need - > acting will > happen. > > Very few gurus are Oscar material. It's not > enough to have incarnated enlightenment once, > you need to live the role, when the audience > shows up. And that's hard. > > geo> What you are saying is that the hard part is to please the audience?! > They need Oscar material to convince some audience? > Nah.... that is too much holiwood like.... > > > > So, most teachers > settle for illustrating a few signs such as > a guru stare, a guru's immobility, or a guru's > sweetness and wan smile. > > geo> So a guru should illustrate a set of signs? I didnt know about that. > > It's hard to fool movie critics like us. We have > to give credit to anyone who even dares to put > such an act. > > geo> Why should anyone give credit to such a foolish thing? > Why pretend to be anything - just make shure you are. > > Pete > -geo- P: Geo, you cruel beast! You're breaking my hear by not agreeing with me. Is a basket-full of your ideas, worths one of my tears. Say it isn't so! ) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 P: We, all, know the nondual bible by heart. No one can disclose any mysteries to us, they can only come up with new metaphors. geo> Why wait for somebody to show you the way? P: ...It's not enough to have incarnated enlightenment once, you need to live the role, when the audience shows up. geo> So you feel you are in position to tell the man who has gone through it all, is egoless, or enlightened - as you prefer - what to do, how to act? Are you sure you can recognise such a man? For you to be able to recognise him you must be in the same position also - enlightened, as you like to call it. Why dont you open a PHD in enlightenement course? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > P: We, all, know the nondual bible by heart. > No one can disclose any mysteries to us, > they can only come up with new metaphors. > > geo> Why wait for somebody to show you the way? > > P: ...It's not enough to have incarnated enlightenment once, > you need to live the role, when the audience > shows up. > > geo> So you feel you are in position to tell the man who has gone through > it all, is egoless, or enlightened - as you prefer - what to do, how to act? > Are you sure you can recognise such a man? For you to be able to recognise > him > you must be in the same position also - enlightened, as you like to call it. > > Why dont you open a PHD in enlightenement course? > > -geo- > Geo, I think Pete's post was about guru stereotypes and about their audience which is caught in expecting stereotypes and so to be able to recognize a guru as guru. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > P: We, all, know the nondual bible by heart. > No one can disclose any mysteries to us, > they can only come up with new metaphors. > > geo> Why wait for somebody to show you the way? > > P: ...It's not enough to have incarnated enlightenment once, > you need to live the role, when the audience > shows up. > > geo> So you feel you are in position to tell the man who has gone through > it all, is egoless, or enlightened - as you prefer - what to do, how to act? > Are you sure you can recognise such a man? For you to be able to recognise > him > you must be in the same position also - enlightened, as you like to call it. > > Why dont you open a PHD in enlightenement course? > > -geo- P: Now that you mention it, I should. Cancel all your appointments until I coach you in how to act. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 geo> Pete....sorry, i must write again. English is not my mother language. I just realized that you might have been....sort of kiding, or sarcastic in a good sense... ....I dont really know for sure now.. So if this is the case, sorry. I miss-read you. rgds -geo - cerosoul Nisargadatta Thursday, April 23, 2009 12:29 PM The guru stare and acting guru-like We, all, know the nondual bible by heart.No one can disclose any mysteries to us,they can only come up with new metaphors. We also know the map. The yellow brick roadis familiar to us. So, besides, reciting thebible, and discussing the map, what is theguru's role? It's simply to illustrate, toact the goal. To be a good guru, one must bea good actor. One must be able to excite thosemirror neurons in others.Very few gurus are Oscar material. It's notenough to have incarnated enlightenment once,you need to live the role, when the audienceshows up. And that's hard. So, most teacherssettle for illustrating a few signs such asa guru stare, a guru's immobility, or a guru'ssweetness and wan smile.It's hard to fool movie critics like us. We haveto give credit to anyone who even dares to putsuch an act.Petehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFFkACy0tcghttp://cerosoul.wordpress.comhttp://awakefiction.wordpress.comPete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2009 Report Share Posted April 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > P: We, all, know the nondual bible by heart. > No one can disclose any mysteries to us, > they can only come up with new metaphors. > > geo> Why wait for somebody to show you the way? > > P: ...It's not enough to have incarnated enlightenment once, > you need to live the role, when the audience > shows up. > > geo> So you feel you are in position to tell the man who has gone through > it all, is egoless, or enlightened - as you prefer - what to do, how to act? > Are you sure you can recognise such a man? For you to be able to recognise > him > you must be in the same position also - enlightened, as you like to call it. > > Why dont you open a PHD in enlightenement course? > > -geo- > better he doesn't open....lol nobody would follow the courses beside imaginary him... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 > We, all, know the nondual bible by heart. > No one can disclose any mysteries to us, > they can only come up with new metaphors. > > We also know the map. The yellow brick road > is familiar to us. So, besides, reciting the > bible, and discussing the map, what is the > guru's role? It's simply to illustrate, to > act the goal. To be a good guru, one must be > a good actor. One must be able to excite those > mirror neurons in others. > > geo> I cant agree with this. If such a thing as a guru happens to be > needed, > I think he must live the correct perspective. The actions that will derive > from > a self-less perspective will always be the best ones. If acting is need - > acting will > happen. > > Very few gurus are Oscar material. It's not > enough to have incarnated enlightenment once, > you need to live the role, when the audience > shows up. And that's hard. > > geo> What you are saying is that the hard part is to please the audience?! > They need Oscar material to convince some audience? > Nah.... that is too much holiwood like.... > > > > So, most teachers > settle for illustrating a few signs such as > a guru stare, a guru's immobility, or a guru's > sweetness and wan smile. > > geo> So a guru should illustrate a set of signs? I didnt know about that. > > It's hard to fool movie critics like us. We have > to give credit to anyone who even dares to put > such an act. > > geo> Why should anyone give credit to such a foolish thing? > Why pretend to be anything - just make shure you are. > > Pete > -geo- P: Geo, you cruel beast! You're breaking my hear by not agreeing with me. Is a basket-full of your ideas, worths one of my tears. Say it isn't so! ) geo> LOL Jiiiizzzzzz..... I have no idea what I am talking about, or what you where talking about, neither what my response was about.... Sorry. Maybe I better shut my mouth for some time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 hello everybody (nobody s) just like to say here is an interesting book by peter dziubanConsciousness Is All (Blue Dolphin Publishing) love Diana--- On Thu, 23/4/09, cerosoul <pedsie6 wrote:cerosoul <pedsie6 Re: The guru stare and acting guru-likeNisargadatta Date: Thursday, 23 April, 2009, 7:41 PM Nisargadatta, "geo" <inandor > wrote: > > We, all, know the nondual bible by heart. > No one can disclose any mysteries to us, > they can only come up with new metaphors. > > We also know the map. The yellow brick road > is familiar to us. So, besides, reciting the > bible, and discussing the map, what is the > guru's role? It's simply to illustrate, to > act the goal. To be a good guru, one must be > a good actor. One must be able to excite those > mirror neurons in others. > > geo> I cant agree with this. If such a thing as a guru happens to be needed, > I think he must live the correct perspective. The actions that will derive > from > a self-less perspective will always be the best ones. If acting is need - > acting will > happen. > > Very few gurus are Oscar material. It's not > enough to have incarnated enlightenment once, > you need to live the role, when the audience > shows up. And that's hard. > > geo> What you are saying is that the hard part is to please the audience?! > They need Oscar material to convince some audience? > Nah.... that is too much holiwood like.... > > > > So, most teachers > settle for illustrating a few signs such as > a guru stare, a guru's immobility, or a guru's > sweetness and wan smile. > > geo> So a guru should illustrate a set of signs? I didnt know about that. > > It's hard to fool movie critics like us. We have > to give credit to anyone who even dares to put > such an act. > > geo> Why should anyone give credit to such a foolish thing? > Why pretend to be anything - just make shure you are. > > Pete > -geo- P: Geo, you cruel beast! You're breaking my hear by not agreeing with me. Is a basket-full of your ideas, worths one of my tears. Say it isn't so! ) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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