Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I finally figured out why I was hired! We all know that everything ever said about any spiritual matter has a fatal flaw......a crack....simply because all speculation by and about the ego.....and its conceptual overlay....is based on...and arises from.....an erroneous assumption. We all know that all spirituality.....all religion....is the spurious sense of separation's attempts to substantiate it own pseudo-reality and everything that it comes up with is wrong a hundred percent of the time. Some are wronger than others. Some are able to compose a thought-ball and hide the crack so well that it requires some deep thinking.......but I know its there......somewhere. And I find it. So......my job......as I see it.....it to search out the crack and expose it. I know.......people get anxious when they feel exposed and the harsh light can actually do damage to a few of them. They quite often scurry back to their ego tunnel......search our some companionship and plan their next attack. For the most part....being hooked on crack is a thankless job. And that's because when a person finally sees the light........they simply disappear.......and there is no one left to thank me. .......who also isn't really here.......if you know what I mean. So if you're still here........try not to hate me. I'm just doin my job. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 I finally figured out why I was hired! We all know that everything ever said about any spiritual matter has a fatal flaw......a crack....simply because all speculation by and about the ego.....and its conceptual overlay....is based on...and arises from.....an erroneous assumption. geo> From my part you are wellcome to find the fatal flow.... probably that is part of the reason why I am here for. What makes you think that everything said is a speculation or a concept or some assumption? There are ways to express the fact. And.. I mean THE fact, not some fact among others. One is trying to find the way from within conceptual constructs, walking within the labirinth of ideas. Another is expression hand in hand with seeing the whole. The later never looses sight of the big picture. Of course how big that picture really is could be gauged/named as " skill " or maybe depth of insight - these are all names. Considering the later, the paradox, the flaw - as you call it - is just aparent, imherent to the nature of words. == We all know that all spirituality.....all religion....is the spurious sense of separation's attempts to substantiate it own pseudo-reality and everything that it comes up with is wrong a hundred percent of the time. geo> Of course... you are talking of religion. == Some are wronger than others. Some are able to compose a thought-ball and hide the crack so well that it requires some deep thinking.......but I know its there......somewhere. And I find it. So......my job......as I see it.....it to search out the crack and expose it. I know.......people get anxious when they feel exposed and the harsh light can actually do damage to a few of them. They quite often scurry back to their ego tunnel......search our some companionship and plan their next attack. For the most part....being hooked on crack is a thankless job. geo> Well... to be hooked in finding a flaw - always, is indeed an illness, deseise. Would you not consider to have an eye/ear upon the eventual possibility of being in touch with something other then sham (not my case - I am a fake)? == And that's because when a person finally sees the light........they simply disappear.......and there is no one left to thank me. .......who also isn't really here.......if you know what I mean. geo> LOL So if you're still here........try not to hate me. I'm just doin my job. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > I finally figured out why I was hired! > > We all know that everything ever said about any spiritual matter has a fatal > flaw......a crack....simply because all speculation by and about the > ego.....and its conceptual overlay....is based on...and arises from.....an > erroneous assumption. > > geo> From my part you are welcome to find the fatal flow.... probably that > is part of the reason why I am here for. The self evolved to seek...it seeks food and shelter...sex and silence. It searches for " enlightenment " or " peace " but no sense of separation ever seeks its own demise. It has to be tricked. Once it dawns that there is nothing beyond its own conceptual boundaries......it's too late.... it can't unlearn what it knows.......and the game is over. The play continues for a while......but without a center. > What makes you think that everything said is a speculation or a concept or > some assumption? > There are ways to express the fact. And.. I mean THE fact, not some fact > among others. There are material " facts " . There are no spiritual " facts " . One is trying to find the way > from within conceptual constructs, walking within the labirinth of ideas. The one trying IS the very ideas it is walking through. > Another is expression hand in hand with seeing > the whole. The later never looses sight of the big picture. The " big picture " to the self is merely its own entire stack of post-its. Of course how > big that picture really is could be gauged/named as > " skill " or maybe depth of insight - these are all names. Considering the > later, the paradox, the flaw - as you call it - is just > aparent, imherent to the nature of words. Bingo! The self searches within its own conceptual dream for itself. > == > We all know that all spirituality.....all religion....is the spurious sense > of separation's attempts to substantiate it own pseudo-reality and > everything that it comes up with is wrong a hundred percent of the time. > > geo> Of course... you are talking of religion. The self is its own religion. " You shall have no other God before " ME " ! > == > Some are wronger than others. > > Some are able to compose a thought-ball and hide the crack so well that it > requires some deep thinking.......but I know its there......somewhere. > > And I find it. > > So......my job......as I see it.....it to search out the crack and expose > it. > > I know.......people get anxious when they feel exposed and the harsh light > can actually do damage to a few of them. > > They quite often scurry back to their ego tunnel......search our some > companionship and plan their next attack. > > For the most part....being hooked on crack is a thankless job. > > geo> Well... to be hooked in finding a flaw - always, is indeed an illness, The self is an illness. > deseise. Would you not consider to have an eye/ear upon the eventual > possibility of being in touch with something other then sham (not my case - > I am a fake)? You think that there is a choice in these matters? Do you think that Nisargadatta had a choice? Do you think that he liked selling cigarettes in Bombay? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: I finally figured out why I was hired! > > We all know that everything ever said about any spiritual matter has a fatal flaw......a crack....simply because all speculation by and about the ego.....and its conceptual overlay....is based on...and arises from.....an erroneous assumption. > > We all know that all spirituality.....all religion....is the spurious sense of separation's attempts to substantiate it own pseudo-reality and everything that it comes up with is wrong a hundred percent of the time. > > Some are wronger than others. > > Some are able to compose a thought-ball and hide the crack so well that it requires some deep thinking.......but I know its there......somewhere. > > And I find it. > > So......my job......as I see it.....it to search out the crack and expose it. > > I know.......people get anxious when they feel exposed and the harsh light can actually do damage to a few of them. > > They quite often scurry back to their ego tunnel......search our some companionship and plan their next attack. > > For the most part....being hooked on crack is a thankless job. > > And that's because when a person finally sees the light........they simply disappear.......and there is no one left to thank me. > ......who also isn't really here.......if you know what I mean. > > > So if you're still here........try not to hate me. > > > > > I'm just doin my job. > > > > > toombaru when this is truly Vanished... never was not just banished... no job no pool no phone no pets.. no explaining..complaining.. no cigarettes.. no love nor hate do percolate. no feelings at all to feel or state. " who " can count a countless way: there's nothing HERE.. nothing to say. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > I finally figured out why I was hired! > > > > We all know that everything ever said about any spiritual matter has a fatal > > flaw......a crack....simply because all speculation by and about the > > ego.....and its conceptual overlay....is based on...and arises from.....an > > erroneous assumption. > > > > geo> From my part you are welcome to find the fatal flow.... probably that > > is part of the reason why I am here for. > > > > > The self evolved to seek...it seeks food and shelter...sex and silence. > > It searches for " enlightenment " or " peace " but no sense of separation ever seeks its own demise. > > It has to be tricked. > > Once it dawns that there is nothing beyond its own conceptual boundaries......it's too late.... it can't unlearn what it knows.......and the game is over. > > The play continues for a while......but without a center. > > > > > > > > > What makes you think that everything said is a speculation or a concept or > > some assumption? > > There are ways to express the fact. And.. I mean THE fact, not some fact > > among others. There are material " facts " . > There are no spiritual " facts " . > > One is trying to find the way > > from within conceptual constructs, walking within the labirinth of ideas. > > > > The one trying IS the very ideas it is walking through. > > > Another is expression hand in hand with seeing > > the whole. The later never looses sight of the big picture. > > > The " big picture " to the self is merely its own entire stack of post-its. > > > Of course how > > big that picture really is could be gauged/named as > > " skill " or maybe depth of insight - these are all names. Considering the > > later, the paradox, the flaw - as you call it - is just > > aparent, imherent to the nature of words. > > > > > > Bingo! > > The self searches within its own conceptual dream for itself. > > > == > > We all know that all spirituality.....all religion....is the spurious sense > > of separation's attempts to substantiate it own pseudo-reality and > > everything that it comes up with is wrong a hundred percent of the time. > > > > geo> Of course... you are talking of religion. > > The self is its own religion. > > " You shall have no other God before " ME " ! > > > > > > > == > > Some are wronger than others. > > > > Some are able to compose a thought-ball and hide the crack so well that it > > requires some deep thinking.......but I know its there......somewhere. > > > > And I find it. > > > > So......my job......as I see it.....it to search out the crack and expose > > it. > > > > I know.......people get anxious when they feel exposed and the harsh light > > can actually do damage to a few of them. > > > > They quite often scurry back to their ego tunnel......search our some > > companionship and plan their next attack. > > > > For the most part....being hooked on crack is a thankless job. > > > > geo> Well... to be hooked in finding a flaw - always, is indeed an illness, > > The self is an illness. > > > deseise. Would you not consider to have an eye/ear upon the eventual > > possibility of being in touch with something other then sham (not my case - > > I am a fake)? > > > You think that there is a choice in these matters? > Do you think that Nisargadatta had a choice? > Do you think that he liked selling cigarettes in Bombay? toombaru even if he loved selling cigarettes in Bombay.. so what? a value judgment..really? I don't think that he cared.. about selling the smokes.. or selling his other shit.. or having a choice in either matter. he did what he did. that's all. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 You think that there is a choice in these matters?Do you think that Nisargadatta had a choice?Do you think that he liked selling cigarettes in Bombay?geo> Who can tell? You?....me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 when this is truly Vanished... never was not just banished... no job no pool no phone no pets.. no explaining..complaining.. no cigarettes.. no love nor hate do percolate. no feelings at all to feel or state. " who " can count a countless way: there's nothing HERE.. nothing to say. ..b b.b. Wonder-full -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > I finally figured out why I was hired! > > > > > > We all know that everything ever said about any spiritual matter has a fatal > > > flaw......a crack....simply because all speculation by and about the > > > ego.....and its conceptual overlay....is based on...and arises from.....an > > > erroneous assumption. > > > > > > geo> From my part you are welcome to find the fatal flow.... probably that > > > is part of the reason why I am here for. > > > > > > > > > > The self evolved to seek...it seeks food and shelter...sex and silence. > > > > It searches for " enlightenment " or " peace " but no sense of separation ever seeks its own demise. > > > > It has to be tricked. > > > > Once it dawns that there is nothing beyond its own conceptual boundaries......it's too late.... it can't unlearn what it knows.......and the game is over. > > > > The play continues for a while......but without a center. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What makes you think that everything said is a speculation or a concept or > > > some assumption? > > > There are ways to express the fact. And.. I mean THE fact, not some fact > > > among others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are material " facts " . > > There are no spiritual " facts " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One is trying to find the way > > > from within conceptual constructs, walking within the labirinth of ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one trying IS the very ideas it is walking through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another is expression hand in hand with seeing > > > the whole. The later never looses sight of the big picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " big picture " to the self is merely its own entire stack of post-its. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course how > > > big that picture really is could be gauged/named as > > > " skill " or maybe depth of insight - these are all names. Considering the > > > later, the paradox, the flaw - as you call it - is just > > > aparent, imherent to the nature of words. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bingo! > > > > The self searches within its own conceptual dream for itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == > > > We all know that all spirituality.....all religion....is the spurious sense > > > of separation's attempts to substantiate it own pseudo-reality and > > > everything that it comes up with is wrong a hundred percent of the time. > > > > > > geo> Of course... you are talking of religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self is its own religion. > > > > " You shall have no other God before " ME " ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > == > > > Some are wronger than others. > > > > > > Some are able to compose a thought-ball and hide the crack so well that it > > > requires some deep thinking.......but I know its there......somewhere. > > > > > > And I find it. > > > > > > So......my job......as I see it.....it to search out the crack and expose > > > it. > > > > > > I know.......people get anxious when they feel exposed and the harsh light > > > can actually do damage to a few of them. > > > > > > They quite often scurry back to their ego tunnel......search our some > > > companionship and plan their next attack. > > > > > > For the most part....being hooked on crack is a thankless job. > > > > > > geo> Well... to be hooked in finding a flaw - always, is indeed an illness, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self is an illness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deseise. Would you not consider to have an eye/ear upon the eventual > > > possibility of being in touch with something other then sham (not my case - > > > I am a fake)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think that there is a choice in these matters? > > Do you think that Nisargadatta had a choice? > > Do you think that he liked selling cigarettes in Bombay? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > even if he loved selling cigarettes in Bombay.. > > so what? > > a value judgment..really? > > I don't think that he cared.. > > about selling the smokes.. > > or selling his other shit.. > > or having a choice in either matter. > > he did what he did. > > that's all. > > .b b.b. > He didn't do anything. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > snipping well-taught at Sarlo's house... > He didn't do anything. > > > > > > toombaru > " ello luve... he might not have done anything but be himeself. pretty much like every other being that is was and will be. However, the results of his being brought us all together, here on Nisargadatta , this day, April 26, 2009. And that " not doing anything " is quite impressive to me. I tasted cigarettes for weeks before/after joining this group. ;-) ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I finally figured out why I was hired! > > > > > > > > We all know that everything ever said about any spiritual matter has a fatal > > > > flaw......a crack....simply because all speculation by and about the > > > > ego.....and its conceptual overlay....is based on...and arises from.....an > > > > erroneous assumption. > > > > > > > > geo> From my part you are welcome to find the fatal flow.... probably that > > > > is part of the reason why I am here for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self evolved to seek...it seeks food and shelter...sex and silence. > > > > > > It searches for " enlightenment " or " peace " but no sense of separation ever seeks its own demise. > > > > > > It has to be tricked. > > > > > > Once it dawns that there is nothing beyond its own conceptual boundaries......it's too late.... it can't unlearn what it knows.......and the game is over. > > > > > > The play continues for a while......but without a center. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What makes you think that everything said is a speculation or a concept or > > > > some assumption? > > > > There are ways to express the fact. And.. I mean THE fact, not some fact > > > > among others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are material " facts " . > > > There are no spiritual " facts " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One is trying to find the way > > > > from within conceptual constructs, walking within the labirinth of ideas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one trying IS the very ideas it is walking through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another is expression hand in hand with seeing > > > > the whole. The later never looses sight of the big picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " big picture " to the self is merely its own entire stack of post-its. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course how > > > > big that picture really is could be gauged/named as > > > > " skill " or maybe depth of insight - these are all names. Considering the > > > > later, the paradox, the flaw - as you call it - is just > > > > aparent, imherent to the nature of words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bingo! > > > > > > The self searches within its own conceptual dream for itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == > > > > We all know that all spirituality.....all religion....is the spurious sense > > > > of separation's attempts to substantiate it own pseudo-reality and > > > > everything that it comes up with is wrong a hundred percent of the time. > > > > > > > > geo> Of course... you are talking of religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self is its own religion. > > > > > > " You shall have no other God before " ME " ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > == > > > > Some are wronger than others. > > > > > > > > Some are able to compose a thought-ball and hide the crack so well that it > > > > requires some deep thinking.......but I know its there......somewhere. > > > > > > > > And I find it. > > > > > > > > So......my job......as I see it.....it to search out the crack and expose > > > > it. > > > > > > > > I know.......people get anxious when they feel exposed and the harsh light > > > > can actually do damage to a few of them. > > > > > > > > They quite often scurry back to their ego tunnel......search our some > > > > companionship and plan their next attack. > > > > > > > > For the most part....being hooked on crack is a thankless job. > > > > > > > > geo> Well... to be hooked in finding a flaw - always, is indeed an illness, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self is an illness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deseise. Would you not consider to have an eye/ear upon the eventual > > > > possibility of being in touch with something other then sham (not my case - > > > > I am a fake)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think that there is a choice in these matters? > > > Do you think that Nisargadatta had a choice? > > > Do you think that he liked selling cigarettes in Bombay? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > even if he loved selling cigarettes in Bombay.. > > > > so what? > > > > a value judgment..really? > > > > I don't think that he cared.. > > > > about selling the smokes.. > > > > or selling his other shit.. > > > > or having a choice in either matter. > > > > he did what he did. > > > > that's all. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > He didn't do anything. > > > > > > toombaru without question. and he neither liked nor disliked selling cigarettes. that was the question i could see no merit in asking. of course..i'm not doing anything by not seeing any merit. there is neither merit nor demerit. let's say he was done as he was done and be done with it. but don't ask if he liked it. of course you have no choice but to ask.. and i have no choice but to point out it's foolishness. in these matters though..i like that too. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > snipping well-taught at Sarlo's house... > > > > He didn't do anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > " ello luve... > > > he might not have done anything but be himeself. > > pretty much like every other being that is was and will be. > > However, the results of his being brought us all together, > here on Nisargadatta , this day, April 26, 2009. > > And that " not doing anything " is quite impressive to me. > I tasted cigarettes for weeks before/after joining this group. > > ;-) > > ~A that's actually quite good. Nisargadatta is the equivalent to a vending machine. which pumps out cigarettes and falderol. no coupons given or received. but for those who really tend and attend that machine.. no cigarettes nor falderol.. it's always and forever empty... of any and all merchandise. it won't even take a plug nickle. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 without question. and he neither liked nor disliked selling cigarettes. that was the question i could see no merit in asking. of course..i'm not doing anything by not seeing any merit. there is neither merit nor demerit. let's say he was done as he was done and be done with it. but don't ask if he liked it. of course you have no choice but to ask.. and i have no choice but to point out it's foolishness. in these matters though..i like that too. ..b b.b.....but you must ask yourself Bob, are you sure?Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > without question. > > and he neither liked nor disliked selling cigarettes. > > that was the question i could see no merit in asking. > > of course..i'm not doing anything by not seeing any merit. > > there is neither merit nor demerit. > > let's say he was done as he was done and be done with it. > > but don't ask if he liked it. > > of course you have no choice but to ask.. > > and i have no choice but to point out it's foolishness. > > in these matters though..i like that too. > > .b b.b. > > .... > > but you must ask yourself Bob, are you sure? > > > Bill what or why on earth for? would it make a difference one way or the other? to whom? so what? are you sure that you chose to ask? are you not sure? if you were told to be sure.. how could you be sure.. that you were being asked by " someone else " ? and how could you be sure... if you wanted to answer or... that you " must " ask yourself anything... that anyone says that you " must " . are you sure you want to know. you must huh? ok...go for it Don Juan... that windmill MUST be somewhere. :-) ..b b.b. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > without question. > > > > and he neither liked nor disliked selling cigarettes. > > > > that was the question i could see no merit in asking. > > > > of course..i'm not doing anything by not seeing any merit. > > > > there is neither merit nor demerit. > > > > let's say he was done as he was done and be done with it. > > > > but don't ask if he liked it. > > > > of course you have no choice but to ask.. > > > > and i have no choice but to point out it's foolishness. > > > > in these matters though..i like that too. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > .... > > > > but you must ask yourself Bob, are you sure? > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > what or why on earth for? > > would it make a difference one way or the other? > > to whom? > > so what? > > are you sure that you chose to ask? > > are you not sure? > > if you were told to be sure.. > > how could you be sure.. > > that you were being asked by " someone else " ? > > and how could you be sure... > > if you wanted to answer or... > > that you " must " ask yourself anything... > > that anyone says that you " must " . > > are you sure you want to know. > > you must huh? > > ok...go for it Don Juan... > > that windmill MUST be somewhere. > > :-) > > .b b.b. I was just teasing you Bob, as in your post there seemed to be a bit of vacillation . But reviewing just now, maybe not... hmmm... am I vacillating? But then too I was playing off of your " of course you have no choice but to ask " , in saying, " but you must ask yourself " . And I am sure I chose to ask, at any rate. That much is obvious. But didn't/don't really care what the answer might be. Which, as it turns out, a good thing Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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