Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:38 AM Re: Time to realize my true nature? Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:04 AM > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:49 AM > > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:31 AM > > > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the book " I AM THAT " Nisargadatta Maharaj is quoted as saying > > > > > " It > > > > > took > > > > > me only three years to realize my true nature. " His supposed > > > > > " dharma > > > > > heir " ,Sailor Bob and co,apparently, are claming that you don´t > > > > > need > > > > > time > > > > > to realize your " true nature " .Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > Atagrasin > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have a true nature. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Wait a minute. This does not answer his question. > > > > Then I ask you: you need time to realize that you dont have a true > > > > nature? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > the one and only answer to his question is in his question. > > > > > > nothing outside of his question.. > > > > > > can possibly have any meaning for him. > > > > > > the you that realizes anything is false. > > > > > > it must needs be gone..and in fact already is. > > > > > > the only lie is that this is not so. > > > > > > and that this you must find out something. > > > > > > there's nothing to be found. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > True nature is the absense of entity > > > -geo- > > > > that being said..there's an entity. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Why? > > -geo- > > the saying is the entity. > > that's not a why that's a fact. > > .b b.b. > > There is the fact. There are words stored in memory. > The brain deals with those memory contents. Then it expresses > them to consciousness. Where is the entity in this? > -geo- > > > > > > It's the prize at the bottom of the box? :-0 toombaru What if anyone asks for clarification? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090513-0, 13/05/2009 Tested on: 14/5/2009 10:50:32 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the book " I AM THAT " Nisargadatta Maharaj is quoted as saying > > > > > > > > " It > > > > > > > > took > > > > > > > > me only three years to realize my true nature. " His supposed > > > > > > > > " dharma > > > > > > > > heir " ,Sailor Bob and co,apparently, are claming that you don´t > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > to realize your " true nature " .Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atagrasin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have a true nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wait a minute. This does not answer his question. > > > > > > > Then I ask you: you need time to realize that you dont have a true > > > > > > > nature? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > the one and only answer to his question is in his question. > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing outside of his question.. > > > > > > > > > > > > can possibly have any meaning for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > the you that realizes anything is false. > > > > > > > > > > > > it must needs be gone..and in fact already is. > > > > > > > > > > > > the only lie is that this is not so. > > > > > > > > > > > > and that this you must find out something. > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing to be found. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > True nature is the absense of entity > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > that being said..there's an entity. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > the saying is the entity. > > > > > > > > that's not a why that's a fact. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > There is the fact. There are words stored in memory. > > > > The brain deals with those memory contents. Then it expresses > > > > them to consciousness. Where is the entity in this? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > there is no such " entity " ... > > > > > > nor any such " where " . > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Who is speaking? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > it's ass backwards. > > > > what you believe to be other than yourself IS yourself. > > > > what you believe to be yourself is other than your self. > > > > what you believe to be yourself.. > > > > is the always other that can only be unknown. > > > > no matter how bright " you " are... > > > > no matter how clever the cognitive device employed.. > > > > as long as there is a you.. > > > > there is error. > > > > you don't recognize the more than obvious. > > > > you believe in yourself if nothing else. > > > > it's impossible but... > > > > you are not. > > > > don't settle for less. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > .....and don't settle for more. > > > > > toombaru :-) more or less. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:38 AM > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:04 AM > > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:49 AM > > > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > roberibus111 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:31 AM > > > > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the book " I AM THAT " Nisargadatta Maharaj is quoted as saying > > > > > > " It > > > > > > took > > > > > > me only three years to realize my true nature. " His supposed > > > > > > " dharma > > > > > > heir " ,Sailor Bob and co,apparently, are claming that you don´t > > > > > > need > > > > > > time > > > > > > to realize your " true nature " .Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > Atagrasin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have a true nature. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Wait a minute. This does not answer his question. > > > > > Then I ask you: you need time to realize that you dont have a true > > > > > nature? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > the one and only answer to his question is in his question. > > > > > > > > nothing outside of his question.. > > > > > > > > can possibly have any meaning for him. > > > > > > > > the you that realizes anything is false. > > > > > > > > it must needs be gone..and in fact already is. > > > > > > > > the only lie is that this is not so. > > > > > > > > and that this you must find out something. > > > > > > > > there's nothing to be found. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > True nature is the absense of entity > > > > -geo- > > > > > > that being said..there's an entity. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Why? > > > -geo- > > > > the saying is the entity. > > > > that's not a why that's a fact. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > There is the fact. There are words stored in memory. > > The brain deals with those memory contents. Then it expresses > > them to consciousness. Where is the entity in this? > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's the prize at the bottom of the box? > > :-0 > > toombaru > > What if anyone asks for clarification? > -geo- if " anyone " asks... here's " what " you do... nothing... smiling. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:54 AM Re: Time to realize my true nature? Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the book " I AM THAT " Nisargadatta Maharaj is quoted as saying > > > > > > " It > > > > > > took > > > > > > me only three years to realize my true nature. " His supposed > > > > > > " dharma > > > > > > heir " ,Sailor Bob and co,apparently, are claming that you don´t > > > > > > need > > > > > > time > > > > > > to realize your " true nature " .Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > Atagrasin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have a true nature. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Wait a minute. This does not answer his question. > > > > > Then I ask you: you need time to realize that you dont have a true > > > > > nature? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > the one and only answer to his question is in his question. > > > > > > > > nothing outside of his question.. > > > > > > > > can possibly have any meaning for him. > > > > > > > > the you that realizes anything is false. > > > > > > > > it must needs be gone..and in fact already is. > > > > > > > > the only lie is that this is not so. > > > > > > > > and that this you must find out something. > > > > > > > > there's nothing to be found. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > True nature is the absense of entity > > > > -geo- > > > > > > that being said..there's an entity. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Why? > > > -geo- > > > > the saying is the entity. > > > > that's not a why that's a fact. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > There is the fact. There are words stored in memory. > > The brain deals with those memory contents. Then it expresses > > them to consciousness. Where is the entity in this? > > -geo- > > there is no such " entity " ... > > nor any such " where " . > > .b b.b. > > Who is speaking? > -geo- it's ass backwards. what you believe to be other than yourself IS yourself. what you believe to be yourself is other than your self. what you believe to be yourself.. is the always other that can only be unknown. no matter how bright " you " are... no matter how clever the cognitive device employed.. as long as there is a you.. there is error. you don't recognize the more than obvious. you believe in yourself if nothing else. it's impossible but... you are not. don't settle for less. ..b b.b. If there is a that..there is this... and the mirror circus is up. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090513-0, 13/05/2009 Tested on: 14/5/2009 11:00:29 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:54 AM > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the book " I AM THAT " Nisargadatta Maharaj is quoted as saying > > > > > > > " It > > > > > > > took > > > > > > > me only three years to realize my true nature. " His supposed > > > > > > > " dharma > > > > > > > heir " ,Sailor Bob and co,apparently, are claming that you don´t > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > to realize your " true nature " .Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atagrasin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have a true nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > Wait a minute. This does not answer his question. > > > > > > Then I ask you: you need time to realize that you dont have a true > > > > > > nature? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > the one and only answer to his question is in his question. > > > > > > > > > > nothing outside of his question.. > > > > > > > > > > can possibly have any meaning for him. > > > > > > > > > > the you that realizes anything is false. > > > > > > > > > > it must needs be gone..and in fact already is. > > > > > > > > > > the only lie is that this is not so. > > > > > > > > > > and that this you must find out something. > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing to be found. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > True nature is the absense of entity > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > that being said..there's an entity. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > the saying is the entity. > > > > > > that's not a why that's a fact. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > There is the fact. There are words stored in memory. > > > The brain deals with those memory contents. Then it expresses > > > them to consciousness. Where is the entity in this? > > > -geo- > > > > there is no such " entity " ... > > > > nor any such " where " . > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Who is speaking? > > -geo- > > it's ass backwards. > > what you believe to be other than yourself IS yourself. > > what you believe to be yourself is other than your self. > > what you believe to be yourself.. > > is the always other that can only be unknown. > > no matter how bright " you " are... > > no matter how clever the cognitive device employed.. > > as long as there is a you.. > > there is error. > > you don't recognize the more than obvious. > > you believe in yourself if nothing else. > > it's impossible but... > > you are not. > > don't settle for less. > > .b b.b. > > If there is a that..there is this... and the mirror circus is up. > -geo- > don't settle for less. you are not. nothing is. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:38 AM > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:04 AM > > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:49 AM > > > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > roberibus111 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:31 AM > > > > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the book " I AM THAT " Nisargadatta Maharaj is quoted as saying > > > > > > " It > > > > > > took > > > > > > me only three years to realize my true nature. " His supposed > > > > > > " dharma > > > > > > heir " ,Sailor Bob and co,apparently, are claming that you don´t > > > > > > need > > > > > > time > > > > > > to realize your " true nature " .Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > Atagrasin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have a true nature. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Wait a minute. This does not answer his question. > > > > > Then I ask you: you need time to realize that you dont have a true > > > > > nature? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > the one and only answer to his question is in his question. > > > > > > > > nothing outside of his question.. > > > > > > > > can possibly have any meaning for him. > > > > > > > > the you that realizes anything is false. > > > > > > > > it must needs be gone..and in fact already is. > > > > > > > > the only lie is that this is not so. > > > > > > > > and that this you must find out something. > > > > > > > > there's nothing to be found. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > True nature is the absense of entity > > > > -geo- > > > > > > that being said..there's an entity. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Why? > > > -geo- > > > > the saying is the entity. > > > > that's not a why that's a fact. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > There is the fact. There are words stored in memory. > > The brain deals with those memory contents. Then it expresses > > them to consciousness. Where is the entity in this? > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's the prize at the bottom of the box? > > :-0 > > toombaru > > What if anyone asks for clarification? > -geo- > > > > > If you need clarification the arrow has missed the mark. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:55 AM > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the book " I AM THAT " Nisargadatta Maharaj is quoted as saying > > > > > > > " It > > > > > > > took > > > > > > > me only three years to realize my true nature. " His supposed > > > > > > > " dharma > > > > > > > heir " ,Sailor Bob and co,apparently, are claming that you don´t > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > to realize your " true nature " .Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atagrasin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have a true nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > Wait a minute. This does not answer his question. > > > > > > Then I ask you: you need time to realize that you dont have a true > > > > > > nature? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > the one and only answer to his question is in his question. > > > > > > > > > > nothing outside of his question.. > > > > > > > > > > can possibly have any meaning for him. > > > > > > > > > > the you that realizes anything is false. > > > > > > > > > > it must needs be gone..and in fact already is. > > > > > > > > > > the only lie is that this is not so. > > > > > > > > > > and that this you must find out something. > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing to be found. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > True nature is the absense of entity > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > that being said..there's an entity. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > the saying is the entity. > > > > > > that's not a why that's a fact. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > There is the fact. There are words stored in memory. > > > The brain deals with those memory contents. Then it expresses > > > them to consciousness. Where is the entity in this? > > > -geo- > > > > there is no such " entity " ... > > > > nor any such " where " . > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Who is speaking? > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Good question. > > Can't know. > > toombaru > > Because knowledge is in the way. > Are we on a way back to.. to....I was going to say stupidity.. > -geo- > > > > > > > We? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:55 AM > > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the book " I AM THAT " Nisargadatta Maharaj is quoted as saying > > > > > > > > " It > > > > > > > > took > > > > > > > > me only three years to realize my true nature. " His supposed > > > > > > > > " dharma > > > > > > > > heir " ,Sailor Bob and co,apparently, are claming that you don´t > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > to realize your " true nature " .Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atagrasin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have a true nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wait a minute. This does not answer his question. > > > > > > > Then I ask you: you need time to realize that you dont have a true > > > > > > > nature? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > the one and only answer to his question is in his question. > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing outside of his question.. > > > > > > > > > > > > can possibly have any meaning for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > the you that realizes anything is false. > > > > > > > > > > > > it must needs be gone..and in fact already is. > > > > > > > > > > > > the only lie is that this is not so. > > > > > > > > > > > > and that this you must find out something. > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing to be found. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > True nature is the absense of entity > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > that being said..there's an entity. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > the saying is the entity. > > > > > > > > that's not a why that's a fact. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > There is the fact. There are words stored in memory. > > > > The brain deals with those memory contents. Then it expresses > > > > them to consciousness. Where is the entity in this? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > there is no such " entity " ... > > > > > > nor any such " where " . > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Who is speaking? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good question. > > > > Can't know. > > > > toombaru > > > > Because knowledge is in the way. > > Are we on a way back to.. to....I was going to say stupidity.. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We? > > > > > toombaru > ......there will come an arrow that will destroy your entire world..........and in its place.......leave you nothing....... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:06 AM Re: Time to realize my true nature? Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:54 AM > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the book " I AM THAT " Nisargadatta Maharaj is quoted as > > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > " It > > > > > > > took > > > > > > > me only three years to realize my true nature. " His supposed > > > > > > > " dharma > > > > > > > heir " ,Sailor Bob and co,apparently, are claming that you don´t > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > to realize your " true nature " .Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atagrasin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have a true nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > Wait a minute. This does not answer his question. > > > > > > Then I ask you: you need time to realize that you dont have a > > > > > > true > > > > > > nature? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > the one and only answer to his question is in his question. > > > > > > > > > > nothing outside of his question.. > > > > > > > > > > can possibly have any meaning for him. > > > > > > > > > > the you that realizes anything is false. > > > > > > > > > > it must needs be gone..and in fact already is. > > > > > > > > > > the only lie is that this is not so. > > > > > > > > > > and that this you must find out something. > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing to be found. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > True nature is the absense of entity > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > that being said..there's an entity. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > the saying is the entity. > > > > > > that's not a why that's a fact. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > There is the fact. There are words stored in memory. > > > The brain deals with those memory contents. Then it expresses > > > them to consciousness. Where is the entity in this? > > > -geo- > > > > there is no such " entity " ... > > > > nor any such " where " . > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Who is speaking? > > -geo- > > it's ass backwards. > > what you believe to be other than yourself IS yourself. > > what you believe to be yourself is other than your self. > > what you believe to be yourself.. > > is the always other that can only be unknown. > > no matter how bright " you " are... > > no matter how clever the cognitive device employed.. > > as long as there is a you.. > > there is error. > > you don't recognize the more than obvious. > > you believe in yourself if nothing else. > > it's impossible but... > > you are not. > > don't settle for less. > > .b b.b. > > If there is a that..there is this... and the mirror circus is up. > -geo- > don't settle for less. you are not. nothing is. ..b b.b. Who am I? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090513-0, 13/05/2009 Tested on: 14/5/2009 11:11:42 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 > > Who am I? > -geo- > > > You can never know who you are.......for one very good reason. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:11 AM Re: Time to realize my true nature? Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:55 AM > > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the book " I AM THAT " Nisargadatta Maharaj is quoted as > > > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > " It > > > > > > > > took > > > > > > > > me only three years to realize my true nature. " His supposed > > > > > > > > " dharma > > > > > > > > heir " ,Sailor Bob and co,apparently, are claming that you > > > > > > > > don´t > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > to realize your " true nature " .Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atagrasin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have a true nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wait a minute. This does not answer his question. > > > > > > > Then I ask you: you need time to realize that you dont have a > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > nature? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > the one and only answer to his question is in his question. > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing outside of his question.. > > > > > > > > > > > > can possibly have any meaning for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > the you that realizes anything is false. > > > > > > > > > > > > it must needs be gone..and in fact already is. > > > > > > > > > > > > the only lie is that this is not so. > > > > > > > > > > > > and that this you must find out something. > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing to be found. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > True nature is the absense of entity > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > that being said..there's an entity. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > the saying is the entity. > > > > > > > > that's not a why that's a fact. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > There is the fact. There are words stored in memory. > > > > The brain deals with those memory contents. Then it expresses > > > > them to consciousness. Where is the entity in this? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > there is no such " entity " ... > > > > > > nor any such " where " . > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Who is speaking? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good question. > > > > Can't know. > > > > toombaru > > > > Because knowledge is in the way. > > Are we on a way back to.. to....I was going to say stupidity.. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We? > > > > > toombaru > ......there will come an arrow that will destroy your entire world..........and in its place.......leave you nothing....... toombaru Funny...look at the subject 0-0. I sent it before I read this one.. :>) -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090513-0, 13/05/2009 Tested on: 14/5/2009 11:17:36 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 In the book " I AM THAT " Nisargadatta Maharaj is quoted as saying " It took me only three years to realize my true nature. " His supposed " dharma heir " ,Sailor Bob and co,apparently, are claming that you don´t need time to realize your " true nature " .Any comments? Atagrasin You don't have a true nature. toombaru Wait a minute. This does not answer his question. Then I ask you: you need time to realize that you dont have a true nature? -geo- Good question, " Geo " .Sailor Bob,answered the question " What is ,to realizing itself " in this way: " The innate intelligence [the sense of presence or the knowing that you are] is the essence of everything that appear and dissapears,but to the mind is nothing.Realize that you are aware of presence right now, of being present. You know that you are. What did you have to do for that to happens. It spontaneously arises.It is constantly spontaniously always and ever arrising. " And from Maharaj: " To realize your " true nature " you must first investigate and know what your are not. " Nisargadatta Maharaj seems to agree with Ramana about self inquiry and if my interpretation is correct,this [the inquiry], take time and in some way a practice, or if you dont like this word call it, a " no practice " . Sailor Bob " diciple " , John Wheeler, wrote, " There is no answer to the question " how do I " realize " my true nature " . The question presupposes you are not that and that you need some technique [time] " to be " what you are " . [Please note how freely Wheeler, interchange or use the verb " to be " as a synonymous of the word, " realization " ].Then he write, " All the path or approaches based on gradual arrival are false " . For Nisargadatta Maharaj, " realization of his " true nature " took, for him [in his own words],3 years [gradual arrival].That mean that his approach is false? What Maharaj really meant by the words, " realization of my true nature took me only three years " ? Atagrasin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 - atagrasin Nisargadatta Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:15 PM Re: Time to realize my true nature? In the book " I AM THAT " Nisargadatta Maharaj is quoted as saying " It took me only three years to realize my true nature. " His supposed " dharma heir " ,Sailor Bob and co,apparently, are claming that you don´t need time to realize your " true nature " .Any comments? Atagrasin You don't have a true nature. toombaru Wait a minute. This does not answer his question. Then I ask you: you need time to realize that you dont have a true nature? -geo- Good question, " Geo " .Sailor Bob,answered the question " What is ,to realizing itself " in this way: " The innate intelligence [the sense of presence or the knowing that you are] is the essence of everything that appear and dissapears,but to the mind is nothing.Realize that you are aware of presence right now, of being present. You know that you are. What did you have to do for that to happens. It spontaneously arises.It is constantly spontaniously always and ever arrising. " And from Maharaj: " To realize your " true nature " you must first investigate and know what your are not. " Nisargadatta Maharaj seems to agree with Ramana about self inquiry and if my interpretation is correct,this [the inquiry], take time and in some way a practice, or if you dont like this word call it, a " no practice " . Sailor Bob " diciple " , John Wheeler, wrote, " There is no answer to the question " how do I " realize " my true nature " . The question presupposes you are not that and that you need some technique [time] " to be " what you are " . [Please note how freely Wheeler, interchange or use the verb " to be " as a synonymous of the word, " realization " ].Then he write, " All the path or approaches based on gradual arrival are false " . For Nisargadatta Maharaj, " realization of his " true nature " took, for him [in his own words],3 years [gradual arrival].That mean that his approach is false? What Maharaj really meant by the words, " realization of my true nature took me only three years " ? Atagrasin Of course we can not speculate about another's ëxperience " . Here is my take. Investigate deeply, as deeply as you are able. You will have insights. What counts is the depth of your insights -they are cummulative. Dont be concerned with eventual gradual changes the body/mind may need to undergo. Go as deep as you are able. Again and again. No need to cross your legs. Who am I? What am I? What was I before i was born? Is the one that was before I was born here now?......etc.......etc......etc..... -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Time is not involved in being aware. And indeed, there is no true nature to be aware of. Just what is so. " So-ness " ... Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > atagrasin > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:15 PM > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > In the book " I AM THAT " Nisargadatta Maharaj is quoted as saying " It took me > only three years to realize my true nature. " His supposed " dharma > heir " ,Sailor > Bob and co,apparently, are claming that you don´t need time to realize your > " true nature " .Any comments? > > Atagrasin > > You don't have a true nature. > > toombaru > > Wait a minute. This does not answer his question. > Then I ask you: you need time to realize that you dont have a true nature? > -geo- > > Good question, " Geo " .Sailor Bob,answered the question " What is ,to realizing > itself " in this way: > > " The innate intelligence [the sense of presence or the knowing that you are] > is the essence of everything that appear and dissapears,but to the mind is > nothing.Realize that you are aware of presence right now, of being present. > You know that you are. What did you have to do for that to happens. It > spontaneously arises.It is constantly spontaniously always and ever > arrising. " > > And from Maharaj: > " To realize your " true nature " you must first investigate and know what your > are not. " > > Nisargadatta Maharaj seems to agree with Ramana about self inquiry and if my > interpretation is correct,this [the inquiry], take time and in some way a > practice, or if you dont like this word call it, a " no practice " . > > Sailor Bob " diciple " , John Wheeler, wrote, " There is no answer to the > question " how do I " realize " my true nature " . The question presupposes you > are not that and that you need some technique [time] " to be " what you are " . > > [Please note how freely Wheeler, interchange or use the verb " to be " as a > synonymous of the word, " realization " ].Then he write, " All the path or > approaches based on gradual arrival are false " . > > For Nisargadatta Maharaj, " realization of his " true nature " took, for him > [in his own words],3 years [gradual arrival].That mean that his approach is > false? > > What Maharaj really meant by the words, " realization of my true nature took > me only three years " ? > > Atagrasin > > Of course we can not speculate about another's ëxperience " . > Here is my take. Investigate deeply, as deeply as you are able. You will > have insights. > What counts is the depth of your insights -they are cummulative. Dont be > concerned > with eventual gradual changes the body/mind may need to undergo. > > Go as deep as you are able. Again and again. No need to cross your legs. > Who am I? What am I? What was I before i was born? Is the one that was > before > I was born here now?......etc.......etc......etc..... > -geo- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Time is not involved in being aware. > > And indeed, there is no true nature to be aware of. > > Just what is so. > > " So-ness " ... > > P: Hey, Dan, Good to see you. Where have you been posting lately? Nice to see Ata too. Two rare birds singing on one branch. Bird watchers holiday at Niz. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 True nature and being aware are one and the same Words are difficult at this point because we start with apparently two and then say they " are " one... ouch... -geo- Time is not involved in being aware. And indeed, there is no true nature to be aware of. Just what is so. " So-ness " ... Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > atagrasin > Nisargadatta > Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:15 PM > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > In the book " I AM THAT " Nisargadatta Maharaj is quoted as saying " It took > me > only three years to realize my true nature. " His supposed " dharma > heir " ,Sailor > Bob and co,apparently, are claming that you don´t need time to realize > your > " true nature " .Any comments? > > Atagrasin > > You don't have a true nature. > > toombaru > > Wait a minute. This does not answer his question. > Then I ask you: you need time to realize that you dont have a true nature? > -geo- > > Good question, " Geo " .Sailor Bob,answered the question " What is ,to > realizing > itself " in this way: > > " The innate intelligence [the sense of presence or the knowing that you > are] > is the essence of everything that appear and dissapears,but to the mind is > nothing.Realize that you are aware of presence right now, of being > present. > You know that you are. What did you have to do for that to happens. It > spontaneously arises.It is constantly spontaniously always and ever > arrising. " > > And from Maharaj: > " To realize your " true nature " you must first investigate and know what > your > are not. " > > Nisargadatta Maharaj seems to agree with Ramana about self inquiry and if > my > interpretation is correct,this [the inquiry], take time and in some way a > practice, or if you dont like this word call it, a " no practice " . > > Sailor Bob " diciple " , John Wheeler, wrote, " There is no answer to the > question " how do I " realize " my true nature " . The question presupposes you > are not that and that you need some technique [time] " to be " what you > are " . > > [Please note how freely Wheeler, interchange or use the verb " to be " as a > synonymous of the word, " realization " ].Then he write, " All the path or > approaches based on gradual arrival are false " . > > For Nisargadatta Maharaj, " realization of his " true nature " took, for him > [in his own words],3 years [gradual arrival].That mean that his approach > is > false? > > What Maharaj really meant by the words, " realization of my true nature > took > me only three years " ? > > Atagrasin > > Of course we can not speculate about another's ëxperience " . > Here is my take. Investigate deeply, as deeply as you are able. You will > have insights. > What counts is the depth of your insights -they are cummulative. Dont be > concerned > with eventual gradual changes the body/mind may need to undergo. > > Go as deep as you are able. Again and again. No need to cross your legs. > Who am I? What am I? What was I before i was born? Is the one that was > before > I was born here now?......etc.......etc......etc..... > -geo- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090513-0, 13/05/2009 Tested on: 15/5/2009 07:35:32 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > True nature and being aware are one and the same > Words are difficult at this point because we start with > apparently two and then say they " are " one... ouch... > -geo- > The conceptual world is the reflections on the surface. The Resolution lies deeper. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 > What Maharaj really meant by the words, " realization of my true nature took me only three years " ? > > Atagrasin > The words of anyone......taken out of context.....are essentially meaningless. Maharaj was speaking to a unique set of circumstances that arose and subsided within a particular moment. Don't take anything a sage says too literally. Don't try to stack shadows too high. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > What Maharaj really meant by the words, " realization of my true nature took me only three years " ? > > > > Atagrasin > > > > > > The words of anyone......taken out of context.....are essentially meaningless. > > Maharaj was speaking to a unique set of circumstances that arose and subsided within a particular moment. > > Don't take anything a sage says too literally. > > Don't try to stack shadows too high. > > > > > toombaru > As you read the one with whom you resonate.......flashes will occur......... Let them go.....Don't try to hold them......They've already done their work. Questions will arise.....If their answer does not appear......let them go...... .....circumstances will collide further down the journey that will destroy their relevance. With persistence...and focus....the flashes begin to overlap and a whole new world appears. It is the Ever-Fresh-Unnamed out of which the dream of separation emerges and subsides. It is where you have always been. It is you Home. The world turns inside out......and becomes Who-You-Are. And you smile........ Like this. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Caw! Caw! (My crow imitation.) Good to see you, too! Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Time is not involved in being aware. > > > > And indeed, there is no true nature to be aware of. > > > > Just what is so. > > > > " So-ness " ... > > > > > P: Hey, Dan, Good to see you. Where have > you been posting lately? Nice to see Ata too. > Two rare birds singing on one branch. Bird > watchers holiday at Niz. ) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Caw! Caw! (My crow imitation.) > > Good to see you, too! > Has the Emptiness overtaken you? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Friday, May 15, 2009 2:51 PM Re: Time to realize my true nature? Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > True nature and being aware are one and the same > Words are difficult at this point because we start with > apparently two and then say they " are " one... ouch... > -geo- > The conceptual world is the reflections on the surface. The Resolution lies deeper. toombaru The finest of all, the ground, may pattern or not pattern. Worlds, consciousnessess, manifestations...are moving patterns of the ground. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Caw! Caw! (My crow imitation.) > > Good to see you, too! Hiya, Dan-ji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 What we've got here, by jobe, is absence of absence, an utter lack of all lack. Emptiness is empty of emptiness. Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Caw! Caw! (My crow imitation.) > > > > Good to see you, too! > Has the Emptiness overtaken you? > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Who is saying it? -geo- What we've got here, by jobe, is absence of absence, an utter lack of all lack. Emptiness is empty of emptiness. Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Caw! Caw! (My crow imitation.) > > > > Good to see you, too! > Has the Emptiness overtaken you? > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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