Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Coulda sworn that's a question one asks of oneself, not others ;-). Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > Who is saying it? > -geo- > > What we've got here, by jobe, is absence of absence, an utter lack of all > lack. Emptiness is empty of emptiness. > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Caw! Caw! (My crow imitation.) > > > > > > Good to see you, too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has the Emptiness overtaken you? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 " we " do? ..b b.b. Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > What we've got here, by jobe, is absence of absence, an utter lack of all lack. Emptiness is empty of emptiness. > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Caw! Caw! (My crow imitation.) > > > > > > Good to see you, too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has the Emptiness overtaken you? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. So is anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and declaring themselves separate from it. Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > " we " do? > > .b b.b. > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > What we've got here, by jobe, is absence of absence, an utter lack of all lack. Emptiness is empty of emptiness. > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Caw! Caw! (My crow imitation.) > > > > > > > > Good to see you, too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has the Emptiness overtaken you? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 I have a strange question. The dream of separtiveness is just a dream - no center, no such dream. And what about the dream of being a human? After all there is seeing through human eyes, hearing through human ears, thinking human thoughts.... -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. So is anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and declaring themselves separate from it. > 'I do " are the words that marry you to the dream of separation. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > I have a strange question. > The dream of separtiveness is just a dream - no center, no such dream. > And what about the dream of being a human? After all there is seeing through > human eyes, > hearing through human ears, thinking human thoughts.... > -geo- > There is the physical world and the conceptual world. The mind of man creates a conceptual overlay that it mistakes for reality. It mixes and blends the two worlds into a unique personal concoction from which a few try to escape. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. So is anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and declaring themselves separate from it. > > > > > > > > > > > 'I do " are the words that marry you to the dream of separation. > > Words have no effect at all -- they're merely combinations of 26 alphabetic characters. > The sense of self is composed solely of words. It can be effected only by conceptual thought. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 > > I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. So is > > anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and declaring > > themselves separate from it. geo> It is a strange thing...Are not any objects, beings, events, that fall upon my senses just part of this one universe that I project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. So is anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and declaring themselves separate from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'I do " are the words that marry you to the dream of separation. > > > > Words have no effect at all -- they're merely combinations of 26 alphabetic characters. > > > > > > The sense of self is composed solely of words. It's composed also of feelings in the body, e.g. emotions. Attachment is primarily emotional in nature. This is why all this gab on the lists has little or no 'effect' on anyone. Conceptual thought exists on the very surface of the mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. So is > > > anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and declaring > > > themselves separate from it. > > geo> It is a strange thing...Are not any objects, beings, events, that fall > upon my senses just part of > this one universe that I project? > You are a by-product of the projection. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. So is anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and declaring themselves separate from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'I do " are the words that marry you to the dream of separation. > > > > > > Words have no effect at all -- they're merely combinations of 26 alphabetic characters. > > > > > > > > > > > The sense of self is composed solely of words. > > It's composed also of feelings in the body, e.g. emotions. Attachment is primarily emotional in nature. This is why all this gab on the lists has little or no 'effect' on anyone. Conceptual thought exists on the very surface of the mind. > Yes. Human experience is a blend of sentience at thought. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. So is anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and declaring themselves separate from it. > > > > > > > > > > > 'I do " are the words that marry you to the dream of separation. > >geo: Words have no effect at all -- they're merely combinations of 26 alphabetic characters. P; Be serious! If words have no effect at all, why do you bother to write here? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 This is why all this gab on the lists has little or no 'effect' on anyone. Conceptual thought exists on the very surface of the mind. geo> Sometimes the sound of an object has effect, or a wistlle, or a single word uttered in the car, or the wiew of a piece of stone...why not a list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > This is why all this gab on the lists has little or no 'effect' on anyone. > Conceptual thought exists on the very surface of the mind. > > geo> Sometimes the sound of an object has effect, or a wistlle, or a single > word uttered in the car, or the > wiew of a piece of stone...why not a list? Words are primarily the 'symptom', not the cause ;-). But sure, seeds can be planted, provided the ground is fertile in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. So is anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and declaring themselves separate from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'I do " are the words that marry you to the dream of separation. > > > > Words have no effect at all -- they're merely combinations of 26 alphabetic characters. > > > > > >T: The sense of self is composed solely of words. > It can be effected only by conceptual thought. > P More accurately, the sense of self is a feeling evoked by words. The function of words is to provoke images, feelings, emotions, actions, and of course, other words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. So is anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and declaring themselves separate from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'I do " are the words that marry you to the dream of separation. > > > > > > Words have no effect at all -- they're merely combinations of 26 alphabetic characters. > > > > > > > > > > >T: The sense of self is composed solely of words. > > It can be effected only by conceptual thought. > > > > > P More accurately, the sense of self is a feeling > evoked by words. The function of words is to provoke > images, feelings, emotions, actions, and of course, > other words. > :-) t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:29 PM > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. So > > > > is anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and > > > > declaring themselves separate from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'I do " are the words that marry you to the dream of separation. > > > Toom: Words have no effect at all -- they're merely combinations of 26 > alphabetic characters. > > P; Be serious! If words have no effect at all, > why do you bother to write here? > > geo> It was toom not geo who said that. > Tim said that. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:33 PM Re: Time to realize my true nature? Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > This is why all this gab on the lists has little or no 'effect' on anyone. > Conceptual thought exists on the very surface of the mind. > > geo> Sometimes the sound of an object has effect, or a wistlle, or a > single > word uttered in the car, or the > wiew of a piece of stone...why not a list? Words are primarily the 'symptom', not the cause ;-). But sure, seeds can be planted, provided the ground is fertile in the first place. geo> Your causative factor causing symthoms as words can have a dramatic effect on my causative factor that can further be evaluated by its effect as further words. Words, sight, hearing, ...all inputs are sensorial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:35 PM Re: Time to realize my true nature? Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. So > > > > is anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and > > > > declaring themselves separate from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'I do " are the words that marry you to the dream of separation. > > > > Words have no effect at all -- they're merely combinations of 26 > > alphabetic characters. > > > > > >T: The sense of self is composed solely of words. > It can be effected only by conceptual thought. > P More accurately, the sense of self is a feeling evoked by words. The function of words is to provoke images, feelings, emotions, actions, and of course, other words. geo> Must words evoke a self? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:39 PM Re: Time to realize my true nature? Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:29 PM > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. So > > > > is anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and > > > > declaring themselves separate from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'I do " are the words that marry you to the dream of separation. > > > Toom: Words have no effect at all -- they're merely combinations of 26 > alphabetic characters. > > P; Be serious! If words have no effect at all, > why do you bother to write here? > > geo> It was toom not geo who said that. > Tim said that. toombaru Toom and geo claim inocent. (are they?) -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:35 PM > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. So > > > > > is anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and > > > > > declaring themselves separate from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'I do " are the words that marry you to the dream of separation. > > > > > > Words have no effect at all -- they're merely combinations of 26 > > > alphabetic characters. > > > > > > > > > > >T: The sense of self is composed solely of words. > > It can be effected only by conceptual thought. > > > > > P More accurately, the sense of self is a feeling > evoked by words. The function of words is to provoke > images, feelings, emotions, actions, and of course, > other words. > > geo> Must words evoke a self? > They arise concurrently. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. So is anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and declaring themselves separate from it. Toombaru2006: 'I do " are the words that marry you to the dream of separation. Tim: Words have no effect at all -- they're merely combinations of 26 alphabetic characters. Atagrasin: " Pop reducionism " here? " Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words will never hurt me. " This might sounds nice, but, is it true? You can say that the problem is not with the words, but, with the meaning attached to them, my question now would be ,can you control the reactions that words evoke? In this,clearly, lies the " effect " [or call it " power " ] of words. Atagrasin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:36 PM Re: Time to realize my true nature? Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 16, 2009 12:35 PM > Re: Time to realize my true nature? > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I do, and I'm certain Dan does... both of us are right here, now. > > > > > So > > > > > is anyone else who isn't pushing the entire universe away and > > > > > declaring themselves separate from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'I do " are the words that marry you to the dream of separation. > > > > > > Words have no effect at all -- they're merely combinations of 26 > > > alphabetic characters. > > > > > > > > > > >T: The sense of self is composed solely of words. > > It can be effected only by conceptual thought. > > > > > P More accurately, the sense of self is a feeling > evoked by words. The function of words is to provoke > images, feelings, emotions, actions, and of course, > other words. > > geo> Must words evoke a self? > They arise concurrently. toombaru Yes, but...I will use a word that I dont like very much...a jnani can not use word w/o creating a false center? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 > > Time is not involved in being aware. > > > > And indeed, there is no true nature to be aware of. > > > > Just what is so. > > > > " So-ness " ... > > > > > P: Hey, Dan, Good to see you. Where have > you been posting lately? Nice to see Ata too. > Two rare birds singing on one branch. Bird > watchers holiday at Niz. ) Hi Pete: !pi..ti ... rreeee, pi...ti..rreee!,[my flawed imitation of the sound of the graykingbird]nice to meet you too,ànd all others in this and from others vanished groups,like " splash " and " Conciousness is all " . Atagrasin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Time is not involved in being aware. > > And indeed, there is no true nature to be aware of. > > Just what is so. > > " So-ness " ... > > Atagrasin:Ok to put your [and toombaru] answer back in context with the original question,please tell us, what do you undertand or mean by the " true nature " that you and toombaru, both are negating. Atagrasin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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