Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > The " you " is a by-product of the electro-chemical interaction within > the neurons. > > > > The " you " is a by-product of the need to be " me " . > > Indeed. > > Ha! > > Where did " you " go? > > LOL. " There is no me " is also a by-product of the need to be " me " . Rejecting " me " , asserts " me " . Clinging to " me " , asserts " me " . There is no escape. LOL ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > " A brain " is a thought in the mind. The brain is irrelevant to everyday life, unless perhaps getting brain surgery ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try living without your brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Awareness/energy is, antecedent to any brain construction. > > > > > Only a brain could come up with such a thought. > > > toombaru Only a thought could come up with such a brain. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, May 25, 2009 4:15 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > The brain is a construct. > > > > > > It can be used as a metaphor. > > > > > > People here write using " brain " as a metaphor for something that > > > anchors awareness. > > > > Folks are looking for 'external' anchors. Family, God, nation, brain, it's > > all the same thing. All in support of a construct ('me') so fragile that > > it requires constant maintenance. The energy expended in support of this > > 'central' construct is astounding! > > > > > Truth is not anchored in something, anything. > > > > One could say 'Truth' is itself the anchor for everything else. Everything > > rests in awareness. Beyond words is the anchor everyone is looking for, > > but first all anchors have to be thrown overboard. > > > > An anchorless vessel is still a vessel. > > toombaru > > Fucking bastard!!! I knew it. Laughing your bottom off , right? > I dont mind...it is a nice game...beautifull joke. > The next time I will prove to you that YOU are god indeed.. > =geo-- > I'm bigger than God. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, May 25, 2009 4:15 PM > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > The brain is a construct. > > > > > > > > It can be used as a metaphor. > > > > > > > > People here write using " brain " as a metaphor for something that > > > > anchors awareness. > > > > > > Folks are looking for 'external' anchors. Family, God, nation, brain, it's > > > all the same thing. All in support of a construct ('me') so fragile that > > > it requires constant maintenance. The energy expended in support of this > > > 'central' construct is astounding! > > > > > > > Truth is not anchored in something, anything. > > > > > > One could say 'Truth' is itself the anchor for everything else. Everything > > > rests in awareness. Beyond words is the anchor everyone is looking for, > > > but first all anchors have to be thrown overboard. > > > > > > > An anchorless vessel is still a vessel. > > > > toombaru > > > > Fucking bastard!!! I knew it. Laughing your bottom off , right? > > I dont mind...it is a nice game...beautifull joke. > > The next time I will prove to you that YOU are god indeed.. > > =geo-- > > > > > > I'm bigger than God. > > > > > toombaru I'm smaller than an amoeba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Hey......that sounds like a good movie. > > :-) > > > > > > Why can't you just be happy with what you already have? > > > > > > toombaru We don't know, Toomie. Why cantcha? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > There is within consciousness-awareness a predisposition the create a creator. > > > > Your concept of an all encompassing-pre-existing Awareness is merely and extension of that primal religiosity. > > " your concept of " ...? Yes. You and your concepts are the same thing. > > > Conceptual mind imagines that since it exists that it must have a source. > > conceptual mind imagines..? Yes. It is the arena in which imagination occurs. > > there is no conceptual mind that imagines, outside of the imagining that a construct has an existence > > the concept of a conceptual mind that imagines is merely an extension of primal religiosity, which is a concept that is an extension of " my ability to label something and dismiss it " ... > > > > It can enter a phase where its primary identification shifts to this imaginary source and instead of the i am it becomes the I am. > > It can enter a phase? > > There is no " it " that enters phases. It IS the phases it enters. > > The concept of an it that is capable of entering and leaving phases, is merely an extension of a primal religious investment in duality. > > > All of this occurs within the arena of the mnemonic-self. > > > > For it......beyond that arena.........nothing is. > > Conceptuality has no place to anchor anything. > > > -- Dan > It anchors its imaginary anchors in its imaginary dream. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, May 25, 2009 4:23 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, May 25, 2009 3:39 PM > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, May 25, 2009 3:13 PM > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > " A brain " is a thought in the mind. The brain is irrelevant to > > > > everyday > > > > life, unless perhaps getting brain surgery ;-). > > > > > > Try living without your brain. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > In deep sleep the universe is gone? How then can it reapear? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > It reappears within the conceptual-mnemonic machinery. > > > > ...all of which occurs within the mass of jelly in your head that you call > > " my brain " . > > > > toombaru > > > > That is why it is differentiated by its name consciousness. It is > > consciouness that reapears when you wake up. It is consciousness that is > > born as a man. It is consciousness that dies as a man. IT is beyond > > consciousness. This must be meditated. It is beyond the brains grasp... > > You know what? You are fucking putting me on....having a fucking good > > laugh... > > -geo- > > > > I am deadly serious. > > toombaru > > Mean it? > -geo- > Yes. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you identify with everything.....there is still and > > > > > entity.....identifying. > > > > > > > > > > But now it is a really really big entity....... > > > > > > > > > > Even if its center is everywhere....you still have an entity on > > > > > your really really big hands. > > > > > > > > You seek the mental concept of " nothingness " . > > > > > > > > You believe that if you can just get this understanding, you'll get your concept of enlightenment. > > > > > > > > Here's a clue: You already have it. Every time you think about it. > > > > > > > > Mental nothingness is yours for the thinking. > > > > > > > > Reality is always behind and supporting your over-active imagination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reality supports unreality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice.....comforting......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meaningless. > > > > Yes... reality is meaningless to unreality. Meaningless to Toomie. > > Why? > > Because Toomie is in this for self-punishment ;-). > Timmmmmmmeeee :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > An anchorless vessel is still a vessel. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > You wouldn't know. > > > > > > > > > Timmmmmmmy. > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > toombaru > > Childish. > Timmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeee :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > There is within consciousness-awareness a predisposition the create a creator. > > > > > > Your concept of an all encompassing-pre-existing Awareness is merely and extension of that primal religiosity. > > > > " your concept of " ...? > > > > Yes. > > You and your concepts are the same thing. Yes... you are. That you haven't figured out yet you've been talking to yourself is astounding. You refer to yourself as " you " . You refer to others as " you " . You make no distinction. There is no escape from yourself. Cling, and you've got a clinging self. Reject, and you've got a rejecting self. When will I learn to let go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > " A brain " is a thought in the mind. The brain is irrelevant to everyday life, unless perhaps getting brain surgery ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try living without your brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Awareness/energy is, antecedent to any brain construction. > > > > > > > > > Only a brain could come up with such a thought. > > > > > > toombaru > > Only a thought could come up with such a brain. > > > -- D. > The thought is in the brain. The brain is in the thought. And you you big BOO BOO. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > An anchorless vessel is still a vessel. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > You wouldn't know. > > > > > > > > > Timmmmmmmy. > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > toombaru > > Childish. > Timmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeee :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, May 25, 2009 4:15 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > The brain is a construct. > > > > > > It can be used as a metaphor. > > > > > > People here write using " brain " as a metaphor for something that > > > anchors awareness. > > > > Folks are looking for 'external' anchors. Family, God, nation, brain, it's > > all the same thing. All in support of a construct ('me') so fragile that > > it requires constant maintenance. The energy expended in support of this > > 'central' construct is astounding! > > > > > Truth is not anchored in something, anything. > > > > One could say 'Truth' is itself the anchor for everything else. Everything > > rests in awareness. Beyond words is the anchor everyone is looking for, > > but first all anchors have to be thrown overboard. > > > > An anchorless vessel is still a vessel. > > toombaru > > Fucking bastard!!! I knew it. Laughing your bottom off , right? > I dont mind...it is a nice game...beautifull joke. > The next time I will prove to you that YOU are god indeed.. > =geo-- Do you perceive that G-d benefits from self-validation through thought? Such as, " I am god, " or " I will prove to you that you are god " ... From here, G-d, the unthinkable that is, has no need to prove god. Only the human idea of god is something that involves an attempt to prove. And that attempt to prove is just another version of the attempt to validate something. G-d has no audience, no reason for self-validation. Will someone be made happy when G-d validates to someone that " you are god? " If so, that very sense of being happy that something ulimate was validated about who I am negates thoughtless presence as what is. Which involves no validation to someone, no audience. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey......that sounds like a good movie. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why can't you just be happy with what you already have? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > We don't know, Toomie. Why cantcha? > Because.......I came to capture your immortal soul. > > > > > toombaru One learns that one is alone. Totally alone. Tim's soul is Toomie's soul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, May 25, 2009 4:44 PM Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, May 25, 2009 4:15 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > The brain is a construct. > > > > > > It can be used as a metaphor. > > > > > > People here write using " brain " as a metaphor for something that > > > anchors awareness. > > > > Folks are looking for 'external' anchors. Family, God, nation, brain, > > it's > > all the same thing. All in support of a construct ('me') so fragile that > > it requires constant maintenance. The energy expended in support of this > > 'central' construct is astounding! > > > > > Truth is not anchored in something, anything. > > > > One could say 'Truth' is itself the anchor for everything else. > > Everything > > rests in awareness. Beyond words is the anchor everyone is looking for, > > but first all anchors have to be thrown overboard. > > > > An anchorless vessel is still a vessel. > > toombaru > > Fucking bastard!!! I knew it. Laughing your bottom off , right? > I dont mind...it is a nice game...beautifull joke. > The next time I will prove to you that YOU are god indeed.. > =geo-- > I'm bigger than God. toombaru So you are having a laugh after all.. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The " you " is a by-product of the electro-chemical interaction within > the neurons. > > > > > > The " you " is a by-product of the need to be " me " . > > > > Indeed. > > > > Ha! > > > > Where did " you " go? > > > > LOL. > > " There is no me " is also a by-product of the need to be " me " . > > Rejecting " me " , asserts " me " . > > Clinging to " me " , asserts " me " . > > There is no escape. > > LOL ;-). Yes, any sense of reality associated with " there is no 'me' " is a version of 'me.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, May 25, 2009 4:41 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, May 25, 2009 4:11 PM > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Dear forum members...you may write...but not loudly please..our friend > > > > toomba needs some sleep. ...ssssssssshhh. > > > > Just because you dont know what you where before being born means > > > > nothing > > > > as > > > > a ground was? > > > > Is that which you where before being born gone now?? > > > > ssssssshhh... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get the idea that you were something before you were born? > > > > > > Do you imagine that it came from the same place that the idea that you > > > will > > > live after you die? > > > > > > I have some news: > > > > > > The you that you think you are......never was born.......but it will > > > die. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Not ME. Not YOU. IT. The unamed, qualitiless, existence-per-se....there > > > is > > > no name for it. > > > Look toomba. > > > > > > The centered entity is gone, right? Its just conditioning... > > > Now what is there? There is this organism which is no more then its > > > senses. > > > The only way i can talk of an organism is because of the senses. I am > > > looking at the senses. All movements receive by the senses is also the > > > organism. They are not separte. The dances of colors in the retina IS > > > the > > > organism. So I can say that all perceivable world IS what i am. All > > > manifestation is what i am. Now i ask again: what am I? Here is the > > > quantum > > > leap: a voice in the shadow is saying...any voice...is saying: > > > investigate > > > further, you are not this world you perceive...you are beyond. That > > > beyond > > > hs no name no quality no nothing..nonetheless is real. It is the > > > foundation > > > of existence per se. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > If you identify with everything.....there is still and > > entity.....identifying. > > > > But now it is a really really big entity....... > > > > Even if its center is everywhere....you still have an entity on your > > really > > really big hands. > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes, yes, yes!! Once you are looking hermeticaly to the senses ONLY, you > > are > > aware of only ONE thing which is the totality of the sense inputs. Stay > > there for a while. Investigate it. Stabilize in it. There is this huge ME > > that is the totality of the human world. Now a voice says what you said > > above: If you identify with everything.....there is still and > > entity.....identifying.But now it is a really really big entity.......Even > > if its center is everywhere....you still have an entity on your really > > really big hands. > > > > Yes true! But the voice goes further.It is aking tou to consider the > > possibility, no.....hte absolute nescessity...of.... > > You are not that huge world. You are beyond. It is always receeding....but > > is real. > > -geo- > > > > Hey......that sounds like a good movie. > > :-) > > Why can't you just be happy with what you already have? > > toombaru > > Because in these few days I am in this cool list I learned to admire you. I > consider you as a friend. Besides I am very selfish, egoist..I mean it!!! I > alway want more and more...I am not satisfied untill I get thyyyy most!!! > And I want you to get this thing. > - :>)) - > It's a thing now is it? :-) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > It anchors its imaginary anchors in its imaginary dream. > > > > > > toombaru Not now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > The thought is in the brain. > > The brain is in the thought. > > And you you big BOO BOO. > > > > > toombaru Funny. Laughter ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, May 25, 2009 5:01 PM Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, May 25, 2009 4:41 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, May 25, 2009 4:11 PM > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Dear forum members...you may write...but not loudly please..our > > > > friend > > > > toomba needs some sleep. ...ssssssssshhh. > > > > Just because you dont know what you where before being born means > > > > nothing > > > > as > > > > a ground was? > > > > Is that which you where before being born gone now?? > > > > ssssssshhh... > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get the idea that you were something before you were > > > born? > > > > > > Do you imagine that it came from the same place that the idea that you > > > will > > > live after you die? > > > > > > I have some news: > > > > > > The you that you think you are......never was born.......but it will > > > die. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Not ME. Not YOU. IT. The unamed, qualitiless, > > > existence-per-se....there > > > is > > > no name for it. > > > Look toomba. > > > > > > The centered entity is gone, right? Its just conditioning... > > > Now what is there? There is this organism which is no more then its > > > senses. > > > The only way i can talk of an organism is because of the senses. I am > > > looking at the senses. All movements receive by the senses is also the > > > organism. They are not separte. The dances of colors in the retina IS > > > the > > > organism. So I can say that all perceivable world IS what i am. All > > > manifestation is what i am. Now i ask again: what am I? Here is the > > > quantum > > > leap: a voice in the shadow is saying...any voice...is saying: > > > investigate > > > further, you are not this world you perceive...you are beyond. That > > > beyond > > > hs no name no quality no nothing..nonetheless is real. It is the > > > foundation > > > of existence per se. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > If you identify with everything.....there is still and > > entity.....identifying. > > > > But now it is a really really big entity....... > > > > Even if its center is everywhere....you still have an entity on your > > really > > really big hands. > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes, yes, yes!! Once you are looking hermeticaly to the senses ONLY, you > > are > > aware of only ONE thing which is the totality of the sense inputs. Stay > > there for a while. Investigate it. Stabilize in it. There is this huge > > ME > > that is the totality of the human world. Now a voice says what you said > > above: If you identify with everything.....there is still and > > entity.....identifying.But now it is a really really big > > entity.......Even > > if its center is everywhere....you still have an entity on your really > > really big hands. > > > > Yes true! But the voice goes further.It is aking tou to consider the > > possibility, no.....hte absolute nescessity...of.... > > You are not that huge world. You are beyond. It is always > > receeding....but > > is real. > > -geo- > > > > Hey......that sounds like a good movie. > > :-) > > Why can't you just be happy with what you already have? > > toombaru > > Because in these few days I am in this cool list I learned to admire you. > I > consider you as a friend. Besides I am very selfish, egoist..I mean it!!! > I > alway want more and more...I am not satisfied untill I get thyyyy most!!! > And I want you to get this thing. > - :>)) - > It's a thing now is it? :-) toombaru No -g- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, May 25, 2009 4:44 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, May 25, 2009 4:15 PM > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there not such qualitiless IT that exists without a brain? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > The brain is a construct. > > > > > > > > It can be used as a metaphor. > > > > > > > > People here write using " brain " as a metaphor for something that > > > > anchors awareness. > > > > > > Folks are looking for 'external' anchors. Family, God, nation, brain, > > > it's > > > all the same thing. All in support of a construct ('me') so fragile that > > > it requires constant maintenance. The energy expended in support of this > > > 'central' construct is astounding! > > > > > > > Truth is not anchored in something, anything. > > > > > > One could say 'Truth' is itself the anchor for everything else. > > > Everything > > > rests in awareness. Beyond words is the anchor everyone is looking for, > > > but first all anchors have to be thrown overboard. > > > > > > > An anchorless vessel is still a vessel. > > > > toombaru > > > > Fucking bastard!!! I knew it. Laughing your bottom off , right? > > I dont mind...it is a nice game...beautifull joke. > > The next time I will prove to you that YOU are god indeed.. > > =geo-- > > > > I'm bigger than God. > > toombaru > > So you are having a laugh after all.. > -geo- > Yes. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The " you " is a by-product of the electro-chemical interaction within > the neurons. > > > > > > > > The " you " is a by-product of the need to be " me " . > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > Ha! > > > > > > Where did " you " go? > > > > > > LOL. > > > > " There is no me " is also a by-product of the need to be " me " . > > > > Rejecting " me " , asserts " me " . > > > > Clinging to " me " , asserts " me " . > > > > There is no escape. > > > > LOL ;-). > > Yes, any sense of reality associated with " there is no 'me' " is a version of 'me.' > I have a thorn that will remove that. If you send five dollars......I will put it in the mail. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > When will I learn to let go? > > > > > > > > > When you realize that you are using your own dream boot straps in > > your struggle to lift your self out of its own dream. > > When will I stop struggling? > > Stop fighting? > > When will I stop pushing myself away? > When you see what you are doing. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When will I learn to let go? > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you realize that you are using your own dream boot straps in > > > your struggle to lift your self out of its own dream. > > > > When will I stop struggling? > > > > Stop fighting? > > > > When will I stop pushing myself away? > > > > > > > When you see what you are doing. > > > > > toombaru Yes... when I see what I am doing. Do I see what I'm doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It anchors its imaginary anchors in its imaginary dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Not now. > > I need to stop rejecting myself and remain in the Now. > > I keep projecting everything onto " you " . > > Why do I keep doing that? > > Am I seeking to get rid of myself? > > But, that's as bad as clinging. Worse, even, because I lose touch with any subjectivity I may have remaining. > > I need to accept myself and then let go of it. > > I, the reader of this message. > There occurs.....or not....a breakdown. The ground has been planted.......the seed are alive....... ....the farmer waits for rain........ toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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