Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 If the self is just illusion, what dies? -toomba- Is it just an illusion that dies? If so..that is not much..is it? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > If the self is just illusion, what dies? > -toomba- > > Is it just an illusion that dies? If so..that is not much..is it? > -geo- it was never born. that's not much at all. it's nothing actually. and it's nothing to comment on... or question about " worth " . for whom could...or who could...or.. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:51 AM Re: Toombas question Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > If the self is just illusion, what dies? > -toomba- > > Is it just an illusion that dies? If so..that is not much..is it? > -geo- it was never born. that's not much at all. it's nothing actually. and it's nothing to comment on... or question about " worth " . for whom could...or who could...or.. ..b b.b. So you say that is not much at all. And what about the other death then...the organism? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090513-0, 13/05/2009 Tested on: 19/5/2009 08:27:15 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:51 AM > Re: Toombas question > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > If the self is just illusion, what dies? > > -toomba- > > > > Is it just an illusion that dies? If so..that is not much..is it? > > -geo- > > it was never born. > > that's not much at all. > > it's nothing actually. > > and it's nothing to comment on... > > or question about " worth " . > > for whom could...or who could...or.. > > .b b.b. > > So you say that is not much at all. > And what about the other death then...the organism? > -geo- what about it? it's not much either. things die.. absence of things never is born nor dies. whatever you are not is things. whatever you are is unthinkable and " unthingable " . you as you are are not going anywhere. there is no where to go. there is no going. there is no coming. there's no time. space yet unhatched from potentiality. dimensionless yet containing all possible dimensions as possibility. let me see...hmmm..probably wild! yowza! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:12 AM Re: Toombas question Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:51 AM > Re: Toombas question > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > If the self is just illusion, what dies? > > -toomba- > > > > Is it just an illusion that dies? If so..that is not much..is it? > > -geo- > > it was never born. > > that's not much at all. > > it's nothing actually. > > and it's nothing to comment on... > > or question about " worth " . > > for whom could...or who could...or.. > > .b b.b. > > So you say that is not much at all. > And what about the other death then...the organism? > -geo- what about it? it's not much either. things die.. absence of things never is born nor dies. whatever you are not is things. whatever you are is unthinkable and " unthingable " . you as you are are not going anywhere. there is no where to go. there is no going. there is no coming. there's no time. space yet unhatched from potentiality. dimensionless yet containing all possible dimensions as possibility. let me see...hmmm..probably wild! yowza! ..b b.b. yea...yea.. grasp all you are saying. Pretty wild possibilities indeed. I apreciate specially those classfied as impossibilities... What bothers me to no end is you saying that the death of the self is not much, the death of the body neither, so what is left that do matter? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:12 AM > Re: Toombas question > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:51 AM > > Re: Toombas question > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > If the self is just illusion, what dies? > > > -toomba- > > > > > > Is it just an illusion that dies? If so..that is not much..is it? > > > -geo- > > > > it was never born. > > > > that's not much at all. > > > > it's nothing actually. > > > > and it's nothing to comment on... > > > > or question about " worth " . > > > > for whom could...or who could...or.. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > So you say that is not much at all. > > And what about the other death then...the organism? > > -geo- > > what about it? > > it's not much either. > > things die.. > > absence of things never is born nor dies. > > whatever you are not is things. > > whatever you are is unthinkable and " unthingable " . > > you as you are are not going anywhere. > > there is no where to go. > > there is no going. > > there is no coming. > > there's no time. > > space yet unhatched from potentiality. > > dimensionless yet containing all possible dimensions as possibility. > > let me see...hmmm..probably wild! > > yowza! > > .b b.b. > > yea...yea.. grasp all you are saying. Pretty wild possibilities indeed. > I apreciate specially those classfied as impossibilities... > What bothers me to no end is you saying > that the death of the self is not much, the death of the body neither, > so what is left that do matter? > -geo- nada. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:10 PM Re: Toombas question Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:12 AM > Re: Toombas question > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:51 AM > > Re: Toombas question > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > If the self is just illusion, what dies? > > > -toomba- > > > > > > Is it just an illusion that dies? If so..that is not much..is it? > > > -geo- > > > > it was never born. > > > > that's not much at all. > > > > it's nothing actually. > > > > and it's nothing to comment on... > > > > or question about " worth " . > > > > for whom could...or who could...or.. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > So you say that is not much at all. > > And what about the other death then...the organism? > > -geo- > > what about it? > > it's not much either. > > things die.. > > absence of things never is born nor dies. > > whatever you are not is things. > > whatever you are is unthinkable and " unthingable " . > > you as you are are not going anywhere. > > there is no where to go. > > there is no going. > > there is no coming. > > there's no time. > > space yet unhatched from potentiality. > > dimensionless yet containing all possible dimensions as possibility. > > let me see...hmmm..probably wild! > > yowza! > > .b b.b. > > yea...yea.. grasp all you are saying. Pretty wild possibilities indeed. > I apreciate specially those classfied as impossibilities... > What bothers me to no end is you saying > that the death of the self is not much, the death of the body neither, > so what is left that do matter? > -geo- nada. ..b b.b. Muito bem... but I hope that doesnt mean you are bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:10 PM > Re: Toombas question > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, May 19, 2009 10:12 AM > > Re: Toombas question > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:51 AM > > > Re: Toombas question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > If the self is just illusion, what dies? > > > > -toomba- > > > > > > > > Is it just an illusion that dies? If so..that is not much..is it? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > it was never born. > > > > > > that's not much at all. > > > > > > it's nothing actually. > > > > > > and it's nothing to comment on... > > > > > > or question about " worth " . > > > > > > for whom could...or who could...or.. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > So you say that is not much at all. > > > And what about the other death then...the organism? > > > -geo- > > > > what about it? > > > > it's not much either. > > > > things die.. > > > > absence of things never is born nor dies. > > > > whatever you are not is things. > > > > whatever you are is unthinkable and " unthingable " . > > > > you as you are are not going anywhere. > > > > there is no where to go. > > > > there is no going. > > > > there is no coming. > > > > there's no time. > > > > space yet unhatched from potentiality. > > > > dimensionless yet containing all possible dimensions as possibility. > > > > let me see...hmmm..probably wild! > > > > yowza! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > yea...yea.. grasp all you are saying. Pretty wild possibilities indeed. > > I apreciate specially those classfied as impossibilities... > > What bothers me to no end is you saying > > that the death of the self is not much, the death of the body neither, > > so what is left that do matter? > > -geo- > > nada. > > .b b.b. > > Muito bem... but I hope that doesnt mean you are bored. on the contrary.. " nothing " excites " me " .. gives " me " the shivers of delight.. creates electromagnetic light.. trips the switch both day and night.. and " i " am not other. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 bbb: space yet unhatched from potentiality. == what do you mean by that? i would say potentialy all...and probably much more.. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > bbb: space yet unhatched from potentiality. > == > what do you mean by that? > i would say potentialy all...and probably much more.. > -geo- you're misreading the meaning which doesn't matter. space as an " aspect " manifest in a continuum as/with time.. is only one of infinite talent potentials possible of course. there is no more..nor less.. nor " anywhich " which can be named or numbered. but i don't mean anything by that. anything does not mean " me " by that. that's just ol' that. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 It is difficult to answer this because there is nothing that is not an evidence of it. You see, I know you understand the death of the ME. The ME, the "I" dies into the world. In other words now you are all this. But there is still another death. The world is still an everchanging "something". This everchanging world dies into the changeless. NOt because I hope for some afterlife, or because I am a spiritualist, or for any other reason that some "I" could which for - that is already gone. When I was the world I thougth that was real non-dulaity. I stayed there for quite awhile. But one day I heard someone saying that there was a ground to all the world, there was something beyond. So I investigated instead of negating or afirming it. And against my will or desire or hope or which...the fact is that the changing world can also die now. But if you take for granted that you are already dead and realized and finished and "arrived"...then you cant be open to investigate further. One must be tremendously reasonable...not a shade of belief. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > It is difficult to answer this because there is nothing that is not an evidence of it. > > You see, I know you understand the death of the ME. The ME, the " I " dies into the world. In other words now you are all this. But there is still another death. The world is still an everchanging " something " . This everchanging world dies into the changeless. NOt because I hope for some afterlife, or because I am a spiritualist, or for any other reason that some " I " could which for - that is already gone. When I was the world I thougth that was real non-dulaity. I stayed there for quite awhile. But one day I heard someone saying that there was a ground to all the world, there was something beyond. So I investigated instead of negating or afirming it. And against my will or desire or hope or which...the fact is that the changing world can also die now. But if you take for granted that you are already dead and realized and finished and " arrived " ...then you cant be open to investigate further. One must be tremendously reasonable...not a shade of belief. > -geo- You can't arrive. It is at once infinite fire and endless space. What is there to arrive at? Who is there to arrive here? - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > It is difficult to answer this because there is nothing that is not an evidence of it. > > > > You see, I know you understand the death of the ME. The ME, the " I " dies into the world. In other words now you are all this. But there is still another death. The world is still an everchanging " something " . This everchanging world dies into the changeless. NOt because I hope for some afterlife, or because I am a spiritualist, or for any other reason that some " I " could which for - that is already gone. When I was the world I thougth that was real non-dulaity. I stayed there for quite awhile. But one day I heard someone saying that there was a ground to all the world, there was something beyond. So I investigated instead of negating or afirming it. And against my will or desire or hope or which...the fact is that the changing world can also die now. But if you take for granted that you are already dead and realized and finished and " arrived " ...then you cant be open to investigate further. One must be tremendously reasonable...not a shade of belief. > > -geo- > > You can't arrive. > > It is at once infinite fire and endless space. > > What is there to arrive at? > > Who is there to arrive here? > > - D - " You can't leave " seems here to be closer to the truth. There's nowhere to arrive at, because there's nowhere to go. One can, of course, take for granted that one is already dead, arrived, finished, and still not be finished. If it needs to be believed, taken for granted, then one is still attempting to 'leave'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > It is difficult to answer this because there is nothing that is not an evidence of it. > > > > > > You see, I know you understand the death of the ME. The ME, the " I " dies into the world. In other words now you are all this. But there is still another death. The world is still an everchanging " something " . This everchanging world dies into the changeless. NOt because I hope for some afterlife, or because I am a spiritualist, or for any other reason that some " I " could which for - that is already gone. When I was the world I thougth that was real non-dulaity. I stayed there for quite awhile. But one day I heard someone saying that there was a ground to all the world, there was something beyond. So I investigated instead of negating or afirming it. And against my will or desire or hope or which...the fact is that the changing world can also die now. But if you take for granted that you are already dead and realized and finished and " arrived " ...then you cant be open to investigate further. One must be tremendously reasonable...not a shade of belief. > > > -geo- > > > > You can't arrive. > > > > It is at once infinite fire and endless space. > > > > What is there to arrive at? > > > > Who is there to arrive here? > > > > - D - > > " You can't leave " seems here to be closer to the truth. > > There's nowhere to arrive at, because there's nowhere to go. > > One can, of course, take for granted that one is already dead, arrived, finished, and still not be finished. > > If it needs to be believed, taken for granted, then one is still attempting to 'leave'. Yes. And technically speaking, the attempt to leave never occurred. So, all these apparitions who swear they have left and are very upset about their situation, are .... apparitions .... - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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