Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > How strange is this. It is almost as if this localized being, its life, its > > battles, its sorrows, happiness, dramas where created with only one goal in > > " mind " : to be transcended. Each one of us seems to have received his correct > > lot. And then " life " gains a different purpose - yes purpose: must be > > defeated, seen through. The nature of the battles change... but at this > > present date I dont think the war is ever over. > > The war is over now. > > Here and now, sitting in front of the computer reading these words, > what is 'this localized being' at war with? I would just like to add the following two questions for the reader to consider. they may seem trivial, but they are crucial: (1) Are you sitting: (A) In front of a computer screen, or (B) Behind a computer screen? (2) Why is question (1) crucial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > How strange is this. It is almost as if this localized being, its life, its > > > battles, its sorrows, happiness, dramas where created with only one goal in > > > " mind " : to be transcended. Each one of us seems to have received his correct > > > lot. And then " life " gains a different purpose - yes purpose: must be > > > defeated, seen through. The nature of the battles change... but at this > > > present date I dont think the war is ever over. > > > > The war is over now. > > > > Here and now, sitting in front of the computer reading these words, > what is 'this localized being' at war with? > > I would just like to add the following two questions for the reader to consider. they may seem trivial, but they are crucial: > > (1) Are you sitting: > > (A) In front of a computer screen, or (1A)in front. if i was sitting behind the screen. i wouldn't see the pixels. > (B) Behind a computer screen? (1B) stupid question. see above. > (2) Why is question (1) crucial? (2A) it's not. it doesn't matter. who could it matter to? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > (1A)in front. > > if i was sitting behind the screen. > > i wouldn't see the pixels. Your body is located behind the screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > (1A)in front. > > > > if i was sitting behind the screen. > > > > i wouldn't see the pixels. > > Your body is located behind the screen. In other words, the screen is in front of you. You are behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > (1A)in front. > > > > > > if i was sitting behind the screen. > > > > > > i wouldn't see the pixels. > > > > Your body is located behind the screen. > > In other words, the screen is in front of you. You are behind it. Point at the screen. Aren't you pointing forward? Isn't the screen in front of you? Therefore, you are sitting *behind* the computer screen. You are not sitting in front of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > (1A)in front. > > > > > > > > if i was sitting behind the screen. > > > > > > > > i wouldn't see the pixels. > > > > > > Your body is located behind the screen. > > > > In other words, the screen is in front of you. You are behind it. > > Point at the screen. Aren't you pointing forward? > > Isn't the screen in front of you? > > Therefore, you are sitting *behind* the computer screen. > > You are not sitting in front of it. Questioner: It requires intelligence and energy to build and maintain a living body. Where do they come from? Nisargadatta: There is only imagination. The intelligence and power are all used up in your imagination. It has absorbed you so completely that you just cannot grasp how far from reality you have wandered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1A)in front. > > > > > > > > > > if i was sitting behind the screen. > > > > > > > > > > i wouldn't see the pixels. > > > > > > > > Your body is located behind the screen. > > > > > > In other words, the screen is in front of you. You are behind it. > > > > Point at the screen. Aren't you pointing forward? > > > > Isn't the screen in front of you? > > > > Therefore, you are sitting *behind* the computer screen. > > > > You are not sitting in front of it. > > Questioner: It requires intelligence and energy to build and maintain a living body. Where do they come from? > > Nisargadatta: There is only imagination. The intelligence and power are all used up in your imagination. It has absorbed you so completely that you just cannot grasp how far from reality you have wandered. > You know what? I think old Nis is full of crap. I mean....come oooooooon. " You just cannot grasp how far from reality you have wandered. " Does he imagine that within the conceptual delirium that is the totality of the imaginary self........there exists a pristine you.....just waiting to shake off the dream and emerge into the ever-present reality that is its natural condition. In all matters spiritual......no one knows more than you. There comes a time when you have to drop all the ideas of others and cut your own path into the unknown. And that time is now. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 > > > > (1A)in front. > > > > > > > > > > if i was sitting behind the screen. > > > > > > > > > > i wouldn't see the pixels. > > > > > > > > Your body is located behind the screen. > > > > > > In other words, the screen is in front of you. You are behind it. > > > > Point at the screen. Aren't you pointing forward? > > > > Isn't the screen in front of you? > > > > Therefore, you are sitting *behind* the computer screen. > > > > You are not sitting in front of it. > > Questioner: It requires intelligence and energy to build and maintain a > living body. Where do they come from? > > Nisargadatta: There is only imagination. The intelligence and power are > all used up in your imagination. It has absorbed you so completely that > you just cannot grasp how far from reality you have wandered. > You know what? I think old Nis is full of crap. I mean....come oooooooon. " You just cannot grasp how far from reality you have wandered. " Does he imagine that within the conceptual delirium that is the totality of the imaginary self........there exists a pristine you.....just waiting to shake off the dream and emerge into the ever-present reality that is its natural condition. In all matters spiritual......no one knows more than you. There comes a time when you have to drop all the ideas of others and cut your own path into the unknown. And that time is now. toombaru I think it depends what the real or ficticious nis. meant by " you " . He would say in the end of his life that " I am talking from the ultimate to consciousness " . If this " you " above is of the same " place " ...makes sense to me. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Questioner: It requires intelligence and energy to build and maintain a living body. Where do they come from? > > Nisargadatta: There is only imagination. The intelligence and power are all used up in your imagination. It has absorbed you so completely that you just cannot grasp how far from reality you have wandered. Very nice quote. Really rings true. The grip of conceptuality ... the desire to be able to grasp ... the desire to have a location from which to grasp ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1A)in front. > > > > > > > > > > > > if i was sitting behind the screen. > > > > > > > > > > > > i wouldn't see the pixels. > > > > > > > > > > Your body is located behind the screen. > > > > > > > > In other words, the screen is in front of you. You are behind it. > > > > > > Point at the screen. Aren't you pointing forward? > > > > > > Isn't the screen in front of you? > > > > > > Therefore, you are sitting *behind* the computer screen. > > > > > > You are not sitting in front of it. > > > > Questioner: It requires intelligence and energy to build and maintain a living body. Where do they come from? > > > > Nisargadatta: There is only imagination. The intelligence and power are all used up in your imagination. It has absorbed you so completely that you just cannot grasp how far from reality you have wandered. > > > > > > > You know what? > > I think old Nis is full of crap. > > I mean....come oooooooon. > > " You just cannot grasp how far from reality you have wandered. " > > Does he imagine that within the conceptual delirium that is the totality of the imaginary self........there exists a pristine you.....just waiting to shake off the dream and emerge into the ever-present reality that is its natural condition. > > In all matters spiritual......no one knows more than you. > > There comes a time when you have to drop all the ideas of others and cut your own path into the unknown. > > And that time is now. The Niz of your imagination imagines whatever you think it imagines. You can critique creatures of your imagining from now until kingdom come. If you believe the critique is accomplishing something, if you invest in it a sense of reality, " intelligence and power [are being] used up in your imagination. " -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > (1A)in front. > > > > > > > > > > > > if i was sitting behind the screen. > > > > > > > > > > > > i wouldn't see the pixels. > > > > > > > > > > Your body is located behind the screen. > > > > > > > > In other words, the screen is in front of you. You are behind it. > > > > > > Point at the screen. Aren't you pointing forward? > > > > > > Isn't the screen in front of you? > > > > > > Therefore, you are sitting *behind* the computer screen. > > > > > > You are not sitting in front of it. > > > > Questioner: It requires intelligence and energy to build and maintain a > > living body. Where do they come from? > > > > Nisargadatta: There is only imagination. The intelligence and power are > > all used up in your imagination. It has absorbed you so completely that > > you just cannot grasp how far from reality you have wandered. > > > > You know what? > > I think old Nis is full of crap. > > I mean....come oooooooon. > > " You just cannot grasp how far from reality you have wandered. " > > Does he imagine that within the conceptual delirium that is the totality of > the imaginary self........there exists a pristine you.....just waiting to > shake off the dream and emerge into the ever-present reality that is its > natural condition. > > In all matters spiritual......no one knows more than you. > > There comes a time when you have to drop all the ideas of others and cut > your own path into the unknown. > > And that time is now. > > toombaru > > I think it depends what the real or ficticious nis. meant by " you " . > He would say in the end of his life that " I am talking from the ultimate to > consciousness " . If this " you " above is of the same " place " ...makes sense to > me. > -geo- > Generally speaking if it makes sense to the me........it is meaningless. This " understanding " slips in sideways and rips the known word-world to shreds. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > Generally speaking if it makes sense to the me........it is > meaningless. One cannot speak generally. There's no such thing as generally speaking. Speaking is always specific to the situation and to the moment. > This " understanding " slips in sideways and rips the known word-world > to shreds. Has it? Now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > Generally speaking if it makes sense to the me........it is > meaningless. One cannot speak generally. There's no such thing as generally speaking. Speaking is always specific to the situation and to the moment. > This " understanding " slips in sideways and rips the known word-world > to shreds. Has it? Now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1A)in front. > > > > > > > > > > > > if i was sitting behind the screen. > > > > > > > > > > > > i wouldn't see the pixels. > > > > > > > > > > Your body is located behind the screen. > > > > > > > > In other words, the screen is in front of you. You are behind it. > > > > > > Point at the screen. Aren't you pointing forward? > > > > > > Isn't the screen in front of you? > > > > > > Therefore, you are sitting *behind* the computer screen. > > > > > > You are not sitting in front of it. > > > > Questioner: It requires intelligence and energy to build and maintain a living body. Where do they come from? > > > > Nisargadatta: There is only imagination. The intelligence and power are all used up in your imagination. It has absorbed you so completely that you just cannot grasp how far from reality you have wandered. > > > > > > > You know what? > > I think old Nis is full of crap. > > I mean....come oooooooon. > > " You just cannot grasp how far from reality you have wandered. " > > Does he imagine that within the conceptual delirium that is the totality of the imaginary self........there exists a pristine you.....just waiting to shake off the dream and emerge into the ever-present reality that is its natural condition. > > In all matters spiritual......no one knows more than you. > > There comes a time when you have to drop all the ideas of others and cut your own path into the unknown. > > And that time is now. toombaru no need to tell " anyone " . ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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