Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:29:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fewtch writes: Nisargadatta , "Tim G." <fewtch wrote:>> You mean "your" story. "My" story never began. I'm not aware of any time but now.Perhaps the following Niz quote will help illustrate what I'm "trying to" say.M: Everything begins with you. What else is beginningless?Q: I began at birth.M: That is what you are told. Is it so? Did you see yourself beginning?Q: I began just now. All else is memory.M: Quite right. The beginningless begins forever. ****I would venture to say there's not one person on this list who doesn't understand the concept that our Essence is actually eternal, without beginning. Is that the point you've been trying to make? That's the point that Nizzy is making. Are you trying to say God had no beginning? Are you trying to say that the stories are written now? We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:48:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: Nisargadatta , "Tim G." <fewtch wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "Tim G." <fewtch@> wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta , "Tim G." <fewtch@> wrote:> > >> > > You mean "your" story. "My" story never began. I'm not aware of any time but now.> > > > Perhaps the following Niz quote will help illustrate what I'm "trying to" say.> > > > M: Everything begins with you. What else is beginningless?> > > > Q: I began at birth.> > > > M: That is what you are told. Is it so? Did you see yourself beginning?> > > > Q: I began just now. All else is memory.> > > > M: Quite right. The beginningless begins forever.> > And no, I don't "treasure" memory :-p. It's perfectly acceptable as 'what is', should it arise, but I'm not a fan of drama surrounding my own memory, whether that drama be positive or negative.>You do not exist outside of your memory.toombaru ****At least as far as you can recall, eh? We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:52:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > > You do not exist outside of your memory.> > > > > > > > > > toombaru> > Speak for yourself, and allow me to do the same.>You have a self?And it can speak for itself?toombaru ***Yeah, it's a Big Self, and it speaks really, really loud! Hehe. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:55:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: Nisargadatta , "Tim G." <fewtch wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "toombaru2006" <lastrain@> wrote:> >> > > > You have a self?> > > > And it can speak for itself?> > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru> > Yes, I have a self. So do you. It can speak for itself.>Where do you keep it?toombaru ***And can you sit on it like a table? We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/27/2009 12:08:21 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fewtch writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> ****I would venture to say there's not one person on this list who doesn't > understand the concept that our Essence is actually eternal, without > beginning.Nonsense. Toomie demonstrates a complete lack of understanding, ****Okay, touche. I forgot about him. and there are probably at least several hundred rs, a subset of which post at any given time.> Is that the point you've been trying to make?No.> That's the point that > Nizzy is making.I'll go ahead and state that I don't believe you're awake, and that you're clueless what Nizzy is getting at. ****ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz..........Aw, yer just getting frustrated because you couldn't keep track of what YOU were talking about. M: Everything begins with you. What else is beginningless?> > > > > > Q: I began at birth.> > > > > > M: That is what you are told. Is it so? Did you see yourself beginning?> > > > > > Q: I began just now. All else is memory.> > > > > > M: Quite right. The beginningless begins forever. ***He's saying nothing has a history because there is just this present moment, everything beginning now. So please tell your sleepy friend what it reeeeally means. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/27/2009 12:09:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > ****I would venture to say there's not one person on this list who doesn't > understand the concept that our Essence is actually eternal, without > beginning. Is that the point you've been trying to make? That's the point that > Nizzy is making. Are you trying to say God had no beginning? Are you trying > to say that the stories are written now? > > I don't think that Nisargadatta ever said that we.....or our essence .....were eternal.If he did.....he was wrong.toombaru ****Eternal means no beginning or end. He just did say it in the quote, and no, he's not wrong. Hehe. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/27/2009 12:12:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > > In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:48:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes:> > Nisargadatta , "Tim G." <fewtch@> wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta , "Tim G." <fewtch@> wrote:> > >> > > Nisargadatta , "Tim G." <fewtch@> wrote:> > > >> > > > You mean "your" story. "My" story never began. I'm not aware of > any time but now.> > > > > > Perhaps the following Niz quote will help illustrate what I'm "trying > to" say.> > > > > > M: Everything begins with you. What else is beginningless?> > > > > > Q: I began at birth.> > > > > > M: That is what you are told. Is it so? Did you see yourself beginning?> > > > > > Q: I began just now. All else is memory.> > > > > > M: Quite right. The beginningless begins forever.> > > > And no, I don't "treasure" memory :-p. It's perfectly acceptable as > 'what is', should it arise, but I'm not a fan of drama surrounding my own > memory, whether that drama be positive or negative.> >> > > > > > > > You do not exist outside of your memory.> > > > > toombaru> > > > ****At least as far as you can recall, eh?> > > Where did your grandmother go when her memory deteriorated?toombaru ****My grandmother was never 'here', and neither are you or me. This is what you refuse to get. Year after year you go on insisting that you exist as swirling neumonic debris or memory or some such nonsense. No you don't. None of that has any existence. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/27/2009 12:13:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > > > In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:52:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes:> > > > You do not exist outside of your memory.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru> > > > Speak for yourself, and allow me to do the same.> >> > > > You have a self?> > And it can speak for itself?> > > > > > toombaru> > > > ***Yeah, it's a Big Self, and it speaks really, really loud! Hehe. > > Is there a big self and a little self?toombaru ****Naw, there's neither one. You made them both up as concepts you impose on the words of others and I suggest you let them go, but I doubt if you can. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/27/2009 12:26:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fewtch writes: Nisargadatta , "Tim G." <fewtch wrote:>> i have sex with it every ni^d^d^d^d^d^ddasfiadsfGracious... Roberibus seems to be rubbing off on me :-o. ***Thankfully, I've deleted all Booboo's posts since i know from experience they're utterly useless, but I did get the giggles a while ago reading Toomy's posts......I think I'm over that now. ~ We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/27/2009 12:35:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fewtch writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> ****ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz..........Aw, yer just getting frustrated > because you > couldn't keep track of what YOU were talking about.Preceded with "Aw" or not, you've got no clue whatsoever as to my motivations or thoughts, other than what you see right here on the screen.Not even that, as they may have changed in the 10 or so minutes between messages on this list. I don't hold things in mind, trying to maintain continuity -- which is the exact reason most folks are addicted to mailing lists. It maintains "me"."I am unborn" (and "the story never began", which I intended as a restatement) is a wordless understanding. It's not a point I can communicate at all, ever. You didn't "see it", and so let's move on. ****Right, I couldn't possibly see such a deep and subtle point. Hehe. Now yer making me giggle too. ~ We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/27/2009 12:53:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fewtch writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > ***Thankfully, I've deleted all Booboo's posts since i know from > experience they're utterly useless, but I did get the giggles a while ago reading > Toomy's posts......I think I'm over that now. ~ Lots & lots of drama :-p. I'm about done reading Toomie's posts again... until I'm not, I s'pose ;-). I'm always 'forgetting' I decided to do this and that, and decisions aren't serious here in the first place. Why should they be? Life is all in fun :-). ****Yeah, I thought I'd see what Dan had to say, and you and i don't have a place to chat anymore, but the rest of the group basically just recycles the same nonsense over and over. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/27/2009 12:53:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fewtch writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> ****Right, I couldn't possibly see such a deep and subtle point. > Hehe. Now > yer making me giggle too. ~ Is "I am Unborn" clear? Now? If so, great :-). Doesn't have to be clear again in the future, and didn't ever have to be in the past. ****Of course it is. What, you think I was born yesterday? Hehe. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/27/2009 1:00:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fewtch writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > ***Thankfully, I've deleted all Booboo's posts since i know from > experience they're utterly useless, but I did get the giggles a while ago reading > Toomy's posts......I think I'm over that now. ~ I generally get a brief sense of frustration when reading Toomie's posts, due to the heavy-duty obtuseness. He is what he is... a movement in consciousness. All that's required to be rid of it is turning off the computer, or skipping his messages. He's got the key to the off switch as well, although he's not aware of it. ****It's seriously obtuse, and I'm familiar with the frustration you refer to, but sometimes it crosses my 'absurdity threshold' and it's just plain funny! We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > You mean " your " story. " My " story never began. I'm not aware of any time but now. Perhaps the following Niz quote will help illustrate what I'm " trying to " say. M: Everything begins with you. What else is beginningless? Q: I began at birth. M: That is what you are told. Is it so? Did you see yourself beginning? Q: I began just now. All else is memory. M: Quite right. The beginningless begins forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > You mean " your " story. " My " story never began. I'm not aware of any time but now. > > Perhaps the following Niz quote will help illustrate what I'm " trying to " say. > > M: Everything begins with you. What else is beginningless? > > Q: I began at birth. > > M: That is what you are told. Is it so? Did you see yourself beginning? > > Q: I began just now. All else is memory. > > M: Quite right. The beginningless begins forever. And no, I don't " treasure " memory :-p. It's perfectly acceptable as 'what is', should it arise, but I'm not a fan of drama surrounding my own memory, whether that drama be positive or negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > You mean " your " story. " My " story never began. I'm not aware of any time but now. > > > > Perhaps the following Niz quote will help illustrate what I'm " trying to " say. > > > > M: Everything begins with you. What else is beginningless? > > > > Q: I began at birth. > > > > M: That is what you are told. Is it so? Did you see yourself beginning? > > > > Q: I began just now. All else is memory. > > > > M: Quite right. The beginningless begins forever. > > And no, I don't " treasure " memory :-p. It's perfectly acceptable as 'what is', should it arise, but I'm not a fan of drama surrounding my own memory, whether that drama be positive or negative. > You do not exist outside of your memory. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > You mean " your " story. " My " story never began. I'm not aware of any time but now. > > > > > > Perhaps the following Niz quote will help illustrate what I'm " trying to " say. > > > > > > M: Everything begins with you. What else is beginningless? > > > > > > Q: I began at birth. > > > > > > M: That is what you are told. Is it so? Did you see yourself beginning? > > > > > > Q: I began just now. All else is memory. > > > > > > M: Quite right. The beginningless begins forever. > > > > And no, I don't " treasure " memory :-p. It's perfectly acceptable as 'what is', should it arise, but I'm not a fan of drama surrounding my own memory, whether that drama be positive or negative. > > > You do not exist outside of your memory. > > > > > toombaru Speak for yourself, and allow me to do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You mean " your " story. " My " story never began. I'm not aware of any time but now. > > > > > > > > Perhaps the following Niz quote will help illustrate what I'm " trying to " say. > > > > > > > > M: Everything begins with you. What else is beginningless? > > > > > > > > Q: I began at birth. > > > > > > > > M: That is what you are told. Is it so? Did you see yourself beginning? > > > > > > > > Q: I began just now. All else is memory. > > > > > > > > M: Quite right. The beginningless begins forever. > > > > > > And no, I don't " treasure " memory :-p. It's perfectly acceptable as 'what is', should it arise, but I'm not a fan of drama surrounding my own memory, whether that drama be positive or negative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not exist outside of your memory. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Speak for yourself, and allow me to do the same. > You have a self? And it can speak for itself? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > You have a self? > > And it can speak for itself? > > > > > > toombaru Yes, I have a self. So do you. It can speak for itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > You have a self? > > > > And it can speak for itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Yes, I have a self. So do you. It can speak for itself. > Where do you keep it? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You have a self? > > > > > > And it can speak for itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes, I have a self. So do you. It can speak for itself. > > *Now* he's getting *interested* ;-). > Are you aware of your self? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You have a self? > > > > > > > > And it can speak for itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Yes, I have a self. So do you. It can speak for itself. > > > > *Now* he's getting *interested* ;-). > > > > > > Are you aware of your self? > > > > > > toombaru I'm aware of whatever awareness happens to fall upon, now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You have a self? > > > > > > > > And it can speak for itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Yes, I have a self. So do you. It can speak for itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do you keep it? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > I keep it in the dictionary. > Can you tell it what to do? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have a self? > > > > > > > > > > And it can speak for itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Yes, I have a self. So do you. It can speak for itself. > > > > > > *Now* he's getting *interested* ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > Are you aware of your self? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > I'm aware of whatever awareness happens to fall upon, now. > So you and the awareness are separate? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have a self? > > > > > > > > > > And it can speak for itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Yes, I have a self. So do you. It can speak for itself. > > > > > > *Now* he's getting *interested* ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > Are you aware of your self? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > I'm aware of whatever awareness happens to fall upon, now. > Can you change its behavior? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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