Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have a self? > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can speak for itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I have a self. So do you. It can speak for itself. > > > > > > > > *Now* he's getting *interested* ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you aware of your self? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > I'm aware of whatever awareness happens to fall upon, now. > > > > > So you and the awareness are separate? > > > > > toombaru ?etarapes era ssenerawa eht dna uoy os Cool... the words " era " and " dna " are there when ya write it backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have a self? > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can speak for itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I have a self. So do you. It can speak for itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do you keep it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I keep it in the dictionary. > > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell it what to do? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Nope, because I've foisted all my power off onto others. > > I, Toomie, am dependent on you, the writer. I probably can't tear myself away from the computer. > > That's because I'm attached to " you " , general-case. > Does it bother you that you have no control over what it does? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have a self? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And it can speak for itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I have a self. So do you. It can speak for itself. > > > > > > > > > > *Now* he's getting *interested* ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you aware of your self? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I'm aware of whatever awareness happens to fall upon, now. > > > > > > > > > So you and the awareness are separate? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > ?etarapes era ssenerawa eht dna uoy os > > Cool... the words " era " and " dna " are there when ya write it backwards. > Are you and the awareness separate things? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > ****I would venture to say there's not one person on this list who doesn't > understand the concept that our Essence is actually eternal, without > beginning. Nonsense. Toomie demonstrates a complete lack of understanding, and there are probably at least several hundred rs, a subset of which post at any given time. > Is that the point you've been trying to make? No. > That's the point that > Nizzy is making. I'll go ahead and state that I don't believe you're awake, and that you're clueless what Nizzy is getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:48:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > You mean " your " story. " My " story never began. I'm not aware of > any time but now. > > > > > > Perhaps the following Niz quote will help illustrate what I'm " trying > to " say. > > > > > > M: Everything begins with you. What else is beginningless? > > > > > > Q: I began at birth. > > > > > > M: That is what you are told. Is it so? Did you see yourself beginning? > > > > > > Q: I began just now. All else is memory. > > > > > > M: Quite right. The beginningless begins forever. > > > > And no, I don't " treasure " memory :-p. It's perfectly acceptable as > 'what is', should it arise, but I'm not a fan of drama surrounding my own > memory, whether that drama be positive or negative. > > > You do not exist outside of your memory. > > > > > toombaru > > > > ****At least as far as you can recall, eh? > > > Where did your grandmother go when her memory deteriorated? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:52:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > > You do not exist outside of your memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Speak for yourself, and allow me to do the same. > > > > > > You have a self? > > And it can speak for itself? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > ***Yeah, it's a Big Self, and it speaks really, really loud! Hehe. > > Is there a big self and a little self? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/26/2009 11:55:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You have a self? > > > > > > And it can speak for itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes, I have a self. So do you. It can speak for itself. > Where do you keep it? > > > > > toombaru > > > > ***And can you sit on it like a table? i have sex with it every ni^d^d^d^d^d^ddasfiadsf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > i have sex with it every ni^d^d^d^d^d^ddasfiadsf Gracious... Roberibus seems to be rubbing off on me :-o. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > ****ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz..........Aw, yer just getting frustrated > because you > couldn't keep track of what YOU were talking about. Preceded with " Aw " or not, you've got no clue whatsoever as to my motivations or thoughts, other than what you see right here on the screen. Not even that, as they may have changed in the 10 or so minutes between messages on this list. I don't hold things in mind, trying to maintain continuity -- which is the exact reason most folks are addicted to mailing lists. It maintains " me " . " I am unborn " (and " the story never began " , which I intended as a restatement) is a wordless understanding. It's not a point I can communicate at all, ever. You didn't " see it " , and so let's move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > ***Thankfully, I've deleted all Booboo's posts since i know from > experience they're utterly useless, but I did get the giggles a while ago reading > Toomy's posts......I think I'm over that now. ~ Lots & lots of drama :-p. I'm about done reading Toomie's posts again... until I'm not, I s'pose ;-). I'm always 'forgetting' I decided to do this and that, and decisions aren't serious here in the first place. Why should they be? Life is all in fun :-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > ****Right, I couldn't possibly see such a deep and subtle point. > Hehe. Now > yer making me giggle too. ~ Is " I am Unborn " clear? Now? If so, great :-). Doesn't have to be clear again in the future, and didn't ever have to be in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > ***Thankfully, I've deleted all Booboo's posts since i know from > experience they're utterly useless, but I did get the giggles a while ago reading > Toomy's posts......I think I'm over that now. ~ I generally get a brief sense of frustration when reading Toomie's posts, due to the heavy-duty obtuseness. He is what he is... a movement in consciousness. All that's required to be rid of it is turning off the computer, or skipping his messages. He's got the key to the off switch as well, although he's not aware of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 12:53:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > fewtch writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > ***Thankfully, I've deleted all Booboo's posts since i know from > > experience they're utterly useless, but I did get the giggles a while > ago reading > > Toomy's posts......I think I'm over that now. ~ > > Lots & lots of drama :-p. I'm about done reading Toomie's posts again... > until I'm not, I s'pose ;-). I'm always 'forgetting' I decided to do this > and that, and decisions aren't serious here in the first place. Why should > they be? Life is all in fun :-). > > > ****Yeah, I thought I'd see what Dan had to say, and you and i don't have > a place to chat anymore, but the rest of the group basically just recycles > the same nonsense over and over. If/when Dan takes off, I'm out of here. Nothing else worthwhile here but you two, and one isn't enough to keep my interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 12:53:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > fewtch writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > ****Right, I couldn't possibly see such a deep and subtle point. > > Hehe. Now > > yer making me giggle too. ~ > > Is " I am Unborn " clear? Now? If so, great :-). Doesn't have to be clear > again in the future, and didn't ever have to be in the past. > > > > ****Of course it is. What, you think I was born yesterday? Hehe. LOL :-D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 1:00:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > fewtch writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > ***Thankfully, I've deleted all Booboo's posts since i know from > > experience they're utterly useless, but I did get the giggles a while > ago reading > > Toomy's posts......I think I'm over that now. ~ > > I generally get a brief sense of frustration when reading Toomie's posts, > due to the heavy-duty obtuseness. He is what he is... a movement in > consciousness. All that's required to be rid of it is turning off the computer, > or skipping his messages. He's got the key to the off switch as well, > although he's not aware of it. > > > > ****It's seriously obtuse, and I'm familiar with the frustration you refer > to, but sometimes it crosses my 'absurdity threshold' and it's just plain > funny! I can't laugh, because I see what's happening. He consistently 'gets in his own way' and blocks himself conceptually. Every step he takes is in the direction of ignorance. Every post he makes is 'away from truth', and it just gets worse the longer he's on. Then I think he logs off to recover, and does it all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 1:00:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > fewtch@ writes: > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > ***Thankfully, I've deleted all Booboo's posts since i know from > > > experience they're utterly useless, but I did get the giggles a while > > ago reading > > > Toomy's posts......I think I'm over that now. ~ > > > > I generally get a brief sense of frustration when reading Toomie's posts, > > due to the heavy-duty obtuseness. He is what he is... a movement in > > consciousness. All that's required to be rid of it is turning off the computer, > > or skipping his messages. He's got the key to the off switch as well, > > although he's not aware of it. > > > > > > > > ****It's seriously obtuse, and I'm familiar with the frustration you refer > > to, but sometimes it crosses my 'absurdity threshold' and it's just plain > > funny! > > I can't laugh, because I see what's happening. He consistently 'gets in his own way' and blocks himself conceptually. Every step he takes is in the direction of ignorance. Every post he makes is 'away from truth', and it just gets worse the longer he's on. Then I think he logs off to recover, and does it all over again. > P.S. not to suggest that you can't see it, too. I just can't laugh at that sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 1:00:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > fewtch@ writes: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ***Thankfully, I've deleted all Booboo's posts since i know from > > > > experience they're utterly useless, but I did get the giggles a while > > > ago reading > > > > Toomy's posts......I think I'm over that now. ~ > > > > > > I generally get a brief sense of frustration when reading Toomie's posts, > > > due to the heavy-duty obtuseness. He is what he is... a movement in > > > consciousness. All that's required to be rid of it is turning off the computer, > > > or skipping his messages. He's got the key to the off switch as well, > > > although he's not aware of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > ****It's seriously obtuse, and I'm familiar with the frustration you refer > > > to, but sometimes it crosses my 'absurdity threshold' and it's just plain > > > funny! > > > > I can't laugh, because I see what's happening. He consistently 'gets in his own way' and blocks himself conceptually. Every step he takes is in the direction of ignorance. Every post he makes is 'away from truth', and it just gets worse the longer he's on. Then I think he logs off to recover, and does it all over again. > > > > P.S. not to suggest that you can't see it, too. I just can't laugh > at that sort of thing. It's a game... it's his resistance, which he pits against other's attempts to clarify things. Which maintains his identity as a spiritually seeking " me " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 12:26:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > fewtch writes: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > i have sex with it every ni^d^d^d^d^d^ddasfiadsf > > Gracious... Roberibus seems to be rubbing off on me :-o. > > > ***Thankfully, I've deleted all Booboo's posts since i know from > experience they're utterly useless, but I did get the giggles a while ago reading > Toomy's posts......I think I'm over that now. ~ get over your " self " dumbass. everything that you know..love...hate.. is in your and of 'self'. it's the final product of your ignorance. but fuck it. you're too caught up in that silly self.. and it's holier than thou pontificating bullshit. you are in short..a phony and don't know it. that will pass you little asshole. and all that shit will pass through the useless you that's not. then you too can post useless posts.. they won't be YOUR BIG IMPORTANT posts anymore. LOL! i know you don't understand this. that's too be expected. that too will pass. :-)+ " love " (whatever the hell that is) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/27/2009 1:05:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fewtch writes: > > ***Thankfully, I've deleted all Booboo's posts since i know from > > experience they're utterly useless, but I did get the giggles a while > ago reading > > Toomy's posts......I think I'm over that now. ~ > > Lots & lots of drama :-p. I'm about done reading Toomie's posts again... > until I'm not, I s'pose ;-). I'm always 'forgetting' I decided to do this > and that, and decisions aren't serious here in the first place. Why should > they be? Life is all in fun :-).> > > ****Yeah, I thought I'd see what Dan had to say, and you and i don't have > a place to chat anymore, but the rest of the group basically just recycles > the same nonsense over and over.If/when Dan takes off, I'm out of here. Nothing else worthwhile here but you two, and one isn't enough to keep my interest. ****I figure most folks on these forums eventually get eaten by the Neti-Neti monster and turn into zombies. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/27/2009 1:12:21 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fewtch writes: > > I generally get a brief sense of frustration when reading Toomie's posts, > > due to the heavy-duty obtuseness. He is what he is... a movement in > > consciousness. All that's required to be rid of it is turning off the computer, > > or skipping his messages. He's got the key to the off switch as well, > > although he's not aware of it.> > > > > > > > ****It's seriously obtuse, and I'm familiar with the frustration you refer > > to, but sometimes it crosses my 'absurdity threshold' and it's just plain > > funny! > > I can't laugh, because I see what's happening. He consistently 'gets in his own way' and blocks himself conceptually. Every step he takes is in the direction of ignorance. Every post he makes is 'away from truth', and it just gets worse the longer he's on. Then I think he logs off to recover, and does it all over again.>P.S. not to suggest that you can't see it, too. I just can't laugh at that sort of thing. ****It's okay. Whatever's happening needs to happen. Nobody's really moving away from Truth, we just have to explore all the dead ends. His head is just trying to catch up to his heart. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/27/2009 1:19:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fewtch writes: > > I can't laugh, because I see what's happening. He consistently 'gets in his own way' and blocks himself conceptually. Every step he takes is in the direction of ignorance. Every post he makes is 'away from truth', and it just gets worse the longer he's on. Then I think he logs off to recover, and does it all over again.> >> > P.S. not to suggest that you can't see it, too. I just can't laugh > at that sort of thing.It's a game... it's his resistance, which he pits against other's attempts to clarify things. Which maintains his identity as a spiritually seeking "me". ***Yes, and what's really ironic is it's supposed to be part of a DEconstruction process. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/27/2009 9:32:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dan330033 writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:> > ****My grandmother was never 'here', and neither are you or me. This is > what you refuse to get. Year after year you go on insisting that you exist as > swirling neumonic debris or memory or some such nonsense. No you don't. > None of that has any existence.The two of you are using the word "you" differently.It's a matter of semantics and context.Such a dialogue can't produce a coherent mutually shared context.Which is typical of so many dialogues.And that is fine.Truth isn't a product of a mutually shared context, nor is truth a mutually shared context.-- D. ****In this case, I don't think it's just a matter of semantics and context. It's not like we both agree there is a 'vehicle' of perception, and then that which is aware of this vehicle and more fundamental. It's not like I happen to be talking about one and Toom happens to be talking about the other. He doesn't accept the existence of a perceiver (what he sarcastically calls "Big Self"), and so to him 'you', 'I', 'me', always point to the same swirling cloud of neumonic debris that doesn't exist. Toom is playing the neti-neti game of 'I don't exist', and the better he gets at the game, the more he prooves himself a liar. The only way out for some players is to construct a mental void into which they can banish themselves. Been there, done that, and it's not the least bit pleasant. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In a message dated 5/27/2009 10:13:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > > It's a matter of semantics and context.> > Such a dialogue can't produce a coherent mutually shared context.No dialog can. ****There can't be a dialog that produces a coherent, mutually shared context? Puleeeze.....Sheesh!.....Double sheesh!.....Okay, in your case that may be true. Hehe. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > You mean " your " story. " My " story never began. I'm not aware of any time but now. > > Perhaps the following Niz quote will help illustrate what I'm " trying to " say. > > M: Everything begins with you. What else is beginningless? > > Q: I began at birth. > > M: That is what you are told. Is it so? Did you see yourself beginning? > > Q: I began just now. All else is memory. > > M: Quite right. The beginningless begins forever. Forever? Please, you just invented this silliness. And it's gone. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > You do not exist outside of your memory. > > > > > toombaru True. Along with all quotes. And along with ideas about what is okay and not okay. And memories are connected only by an imaginary thread. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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