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In a message dated 5/27/2009 8:18:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes:

 

The sense of self evolved to hope.That's its job.toombaru

 

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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> The sense of self evolved to hope.

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> That's its job.

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In a message dated 5/27/2009 11:47:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes:

 

> The sense of self evolved to hope.> > That's its job.> > > > > > toombaru> > ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~> > Can it ever be happy......for more than a few moments?toombaru

 

****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. It's a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it imagines into it's imaginary experience.

 

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In a message dated 5/27/2009 1:14:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes:

 

> > ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~> > > > > > > Can it ever be happy......for more than a few moments?> > > > > toombaru> > > ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be > happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It > happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. It's > a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it > imagines into it's imaginary experience.> > > > So......we can be permanently happy by getting rid of this imaginary person?toombaru

 

 

***More like, if there is no more imaginary person, there is no more need to be unhappy. It's very good to stop banging one's head against the wall. There's no need to find anything to replace the head banging. Ending the ignorance is quite enough.

 

 

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In a message dated 5/27/2009 1:21:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, inandor writes:

 

****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. It's a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it imagines into it's imaginary experience.geo> Yes. With the total absence of the inner imagined center...what is...just is. In this isness there is a kind of happiness that is inherent to that space.And then this joy becomes a light. I know that now..in this very moment that joy is not.....so I am sleeping. What can a say? What can I do? That light does not let me lie.

***Yeah, the "happiness" is not even happiness, it is the absence of mind identified misery, which is much more than happiness. It is not an experience and is no longer dependent upon your experience, and so it cannot come and go. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.

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In a message dated 5/27/2009 1:32:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes:

 

Nisargadatta , "geo" <inandor wrote:>> > - > souldreamone Nisargadatta > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:07 PM> Re: Re: The Big Hoper> > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 11:47:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes:> > The sense of self evolved to hope.> >> > That's its job.> >> >> >> >> >> > toombaru> >> > ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~> >> >> > > Can it ever be happy......for more than a few moments?> > > > > toombaru> ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be > happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It > happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. It's > a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it > imagines into it's imaginary experience.> > geo> Yes. With the total absence of the inner imagined center...what > is...just is. In this isness there is a kind of happiness that is inherent > to that space.> And then this joy becomes a light. I know that now..in this very moment that > joy is not.....so I am sleeping. What can a say? What can I do? That light > does not let me lie.> > > > > Tonight.....in your dream....look around and try to find something that will make you permanently happy.toombaru

 

 

****Why would that work?

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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

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> In a message dated 5/27/2009 8:18:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> lastrain writes:

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>

> The sense of self evolved to hope.

>

> That's its job.

>

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

> ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~

>

>

 

 

Can it ever be happy......for more than a few moments?

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

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> In a message dated 5/27/2009 11:47:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> lastrain writes:

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> > The sense of self evolved to hope.

> >

> > That's its job.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~

> >

> >

>

>

> Can it ever be happy......for more than a few moments?

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

> ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be

> happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It

> happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. It's

> a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it

> imagines into it's imaginary experience.

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

So......we can be permanently happy by getting rid of this imaginary person?

 

 

 

toombaru

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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:07 PM

Re: Re: The Big Hoper

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 5/27/2009 11:47:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

lastrain writes:

> The sense of self evolved to hope.

>

> That's its job.

>

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

> ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~

>

>

 

 

Can it ever be happy......for more than a few moments?

 

 

 

 

toombaru

****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be

happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It

happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. It's

a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it

imagines into it's imaginary experience.

 

geo> Yes. With the total absence of the inner imagined center...what

is...just is. In this isness there is a kind of happiness that is inherent

to that space.

And then this joy becomes a light. I know that now..in this very moment that

joy is not.....so I am sleeping. What can a say? What can I do? That light

does not let me lie.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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find? Explore WhereItsAt.com.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> souldreamone

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:07 PM

> Re: Re: The Big Hoper

>

In a message dated 5/27/2009 11:47:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> lastrain writes:

> > The sense of self evolved to hope.

> >

> > That's its job.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~

> >

> >

>

>

> Can it ever be happy......for more than a few moments?

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

> ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be

> happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It

> happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. It's

> a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it

> imagines into it's imaginary experience.

>

> geo> Yes. With the total absence of the inner imagined center...what

> is...just is. In this isness there is a kind of happiness that is inherent

> to that space.

> And then this joy becomes a light. I know that now..in this very moment that

> joy is not.....so I am sleeping. What can a say? What can I do? That light

> does not let me lie.

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

Tonight.....in your dream....look around and try to find something that will

make you permanently happy.

 

 

 

toombaru

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In a message dated 5/27/2009 4:58:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fewtch writes:

 

> ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be > happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It > happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. It's > a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it > imagines into it's imaginary experience.The imaginary person is not doing the imagining. One could say "I Am" is.

 

 

****Yeah.

 

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In a message dated 5/27/2009 5:16:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, inandor writes:

 

> ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be> happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It> happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. > It's> a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it> imagines into it's imaginary experience.The imaginary person is not doing the imagining. One could say "I Am" is.geo> The imaginary is doing the imagining. the dreamer is the dream

 

 

****Imaginary things aren't in possession of any talents at all and so volitional force cannot be assigned to them. There must be something that is not imaginary, something more fundamental that is the ultimate cause of stuff such as imagining, which has to be 'prior to' the imaginary thingy.

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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

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> In a message dated 5/27/2009 11:47:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> lastrain writes:

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> > The sense of self evolved to hope.

> >

> > That's its job.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~

> >

> >

>

>

> Can it ever be happy......for more than a few moments?

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

> ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be

> happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It

> happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. It's

> a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it

> imagines into it's imaginary experience.

 

 

 

danny..

 

you're imagining things.

 

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

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> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 5/27/2009 11:47:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > lastrain@ writes:

> >

> > > The sense of self evolved to hope.

> > >

> > > That's its job.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > > ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > Can it ever be happy......for more than a few moments?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> > ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be

> > happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It

> > happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other.

It's

> > a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it

> > imagines into it's imaginary experience.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> So......we can be permanently happy by getting rid of this imaginary person?

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

LOL!

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> souldreamone

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:07 PM

> Re: Re: The Big Hoper

>

In a message dated 5/27/2009 11:47:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> lastrain writes:

> > The sense of self evolved to hope.

> >

> > That's its job.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~

> >

> >

>

>

> Can it ever be happy......for more than a few moments?

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

> ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be

> happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It

> happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. It's

> a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it

> imagines into it's imaginary experience.

>

> geo> Yes. With the total absence of the inner imagined center...what

> is...just is. In this isness there is a kind of happiness that is inherent

> to that space.

> And then this joy becomes a light. I know that now..in this very moment that

> joy is not.....so I am sleeping. What can a say? What can I do? That light

> does not let me lie.

 

 

doesn't let WHO lie?

 

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 5/27/2009 11:47:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > > lastrain@ writes:

> > >

> > > > The sense of self evolved to hope.

> > > >

> > > > That's its job.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > > ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Can it ever be happy......for more than a few moments?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > > ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be

> > > happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'.

It

> > > happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other.

It's

> > > a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it

> > > imagines into it's imaginary experience.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > So......we can be permanently happy by getting rid of this imaginary person?

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

> LOL!

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh got permanently happy.............with s little help from

nitrous oxide.

 

 

:0

 

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > souldreamone@

> > Nisargadatta

> > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:07 PM

> > Re: Re: The Big Hoper

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 5/27/2009 11:47:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > lastrain@ writes:

> > > The sense of self evolved to hope.

> > >

> > > That's its job.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > > ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > Can it ever be happy......for more than a few moments?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> > ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be

> > happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It

> > happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other. It's

> > a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it

> > imagines into it's imaginary experience.

> >

> > geo> Yes. With the total absence of the inner imagined center...what

> > is...just is. In this isness there is a kind of happiness that is inherent

> > to that space.

> > And then this joy becomes a light. I know that now..in this very moment that

> > joy is not.....so I am sleeping. What can a say? What can I do? That light

> > does not let me lie.

>

>

 

 

LOL.

 

 

 

It just did.

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

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>

>

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> In a message dated 5/27/2009 1:14:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> lastrain writes:

>

> > > ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > Can it ever be happy......for more than a few moments?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> > ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to

> be

> > happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'.

> It

> > happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other.

> It's

> > a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it

> > imagines into it's imaginary experience.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> So......we can be permanently happy by getting rid of this imaginary

> person?

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

>

> ***More like, if there is no more imaginary person, there is no more need

> to be unhappy. It's very good to stop banging one's head against the wall.

> There's no need to find anything to replace the head banging. Ending the

> ignorance is quite enough.

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

Enough for what?

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

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> In a message dated 5/27/2009 1:32:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> lastrain writes:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > souldreamone@

> > Nisargadatta

> > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:07 PM

> > Re: Re: The Big Hoper

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 5/27/2009 11:47:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> > lastrain@ writes:

> > > The sense of self evolved to hope.

> > >

> > > That's its job.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > > ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > Can it ever be happy......for more than a few moments?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> > ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be

> > happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'.

> It

> > happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other.

> It's

> > a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it

> > imagines into it's imaginary experience.

> >

> > geo> Yes. With the total absence of the inner imagined center...what

> > is...just is. In this isness there is a kind of happiness that is

> inherent

> > to that space.

> > And then this joy becomes a light. I know that now..in this very moment

> that

> > joy is not.....so I am sleeping. What can a say? What can I do? That

> light

> > does not let me lie.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> Tonight.....in your dream....look around and try to find something that

> will make you permanently happy.

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

>

>

> ****Why would that work?

 

 

 

you're kidding right?

 

c'mon now..

 

you MUST be.

 

or has density reached un-experienced levels for you NOW?

 

:-)

 

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In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:18:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, inandor writes:

 

In a message dated 5/27/2009 5:16:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, inandor writes:> ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be> happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It> happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other.> It's> a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it> imagines into it's imaginary experience.The imaginary person is not doing the imagining. One could say "I Am" is.geo> The imaginary is doing the imagining. the dreamer is the dream****Imaginary things aren't in possession of any talents at all and so volitional force cannot be assigned to them. There must be something that is not imaginary, something more fundamental that is the ultimate cause of stuff such as imagining, which has to be 'prior to' the imaginary thingy.geo> It is it.

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Nisargadatta

Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:31 PM

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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>

> -

> souldreamone

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:07 PM

> Re: Re: The Big Hoper

>

In a message dated 5/27/2009 11:47:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> lastrain writes:

> > The sense of self evolved to hope.

> >

> > That's its job.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~

> >

> >

>

>

> Can it ever be happy......for more than a few moments?

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

> ****Yes, when there is no longer any interest in the one who needs to be

> happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It

> happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other.

> It's

> a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it

> imagines into it's imaginary experience.

>

> geo> Yes. With the total absence of the inner imagined center...what

> is...just is. In this isness there is a kind of happiness that is inherent

> to that space.

> And then this joy becomes a light. I know that now..in this very moment

> that

> joy is not.....so I am sleeping. What can a say? What can I do? That light

> does not let me lie.

>

>

>

>

>

 

Tonight.....in your dream....look around and try to find something that will

make you permanently happy.

 

toombaru

 

Without the center there is no such thing as permanently.

Why in my sleep, tonight? What is that?

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

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> In a message dated 5/27/2009 11:47:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> lastrain writes:

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> > The sense of self evolved to hope.

> >

> > That's its job.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > ***I hope you're right, but I don't believe it. :)~

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> happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It

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> a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it

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The imaginary person is not doing the imagining. One could say " I Am " is.

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Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:57 PM

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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

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> happy. This doesn't come about by repeating the mantra 'I don't exist'. It

> happens when there is nobody who needs to declare one way or the other.

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> a total lack of interest in this imaginary person regardless of what it

> imagines into it's imaginary experience.

 

The imaginary person is not doing the imagining. One could say " I Am " is.

 

geo> The imaginary is doing the imagining. the dreamer is the dream

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In a message dated 5/27/2009 6:41:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, inandor writes:

 

> geo> Hmmmm....I think this amazement is not necessarily a dream. It may be> an aspect of....IT.> Just like other feelings alike. Even the sense of> "searching"....no..."wondering"...may also be quite real.> I think REAL man live with a ? above their heads.Your life is the ?Every experience throws you back to yourself.At the heart of the ? itself, is the answer.- D.Sorry...no. The ? is beyond my life. That is what we are saying. The ? may be part of the ground itself.As if IT loved to ? See?=geo=

 

****What 'it' loves is experience, which is a movement, and so whatever is necessary to initiate and maintain a movement is what will happen. Imagining dualistic polarities into existence and moving toward one pole and away from the other is great fun. Inventing a question and then seeking the answer is cool too. Mental bifurcation is an endless source of movement, as we've seen here today.

 

The dualistic polarities are unreal and the questions meaningless.

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