Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In respect that this is a list founded because of the words of Nisargadatta, I did a quick internet search for a Nis quote. Didn't take long, just a few seconds really. Came up with the following, very on-target statements, for my eyes: As long as you are wearing this concept `I am' you will be involved with all the concepts. When this concept `I am' departs there will be no memory left that `I was' and `I had' those experiences; the very memory will be erased. All this process of communication, expounding, etc., will go on so long as this conscious presence is available, and all this is to merely satisfy the concept `I am', and you the Absolute, are not the primary concept `I am'. That which you like most – that itself is `I am', the conscious presence – but that is not going to last forever. When the body drops off and the consciousness is extinguished, you need to do nothing. With this understanding do what you like in the world. The only spiritual way to understanding you true nature is to find out the source of this concept `I am'. Before the sense of presence arrived I was in that state in which the concept of time was never there. So what is born? It is the concept of time, and that event which is birth, living, and death together constitute nothing but time, duration. When you are the space you are no more the body, but whatever is contained in that space you are. You are now manifest – whatever is known – the space. This space is known as `chidakash'. In `chidakash this knowingness is `I am'. In the highest `Paramakash' there is no is or is not, It transcends everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 In respect that this is a list founded because of the words of Nisargadatta, I did a quick internet search for a Nis quote. Didn't take long, just a few seconds really. Came up with the following, very on-target statements, for my eyes: As long as you are wearing this concept `I am' you will be involved with all the concepts. When this concept `I am' departs there will be no memory left that `I was' and `I had' those experiences; the very memory will be erased. All this process of communication, expounding, etc., will go on so long as this conscious presence is available, and all this is to merely satisfy the concept `I am', and you the Absolute, are not the primary concept `I am'. That which you like most - that itself is `I am', the conscious presence - but that is not going to last forever. When the body drops off and the consciousness is extinguished, you need to do nothing. With this understanding do what you like in the world. The only spiritual way to understanding you true nature is to find out the source of this concept `I am'. Before the sense of presence arrived I was in that state in which the concept of time was never there. So what is born? It is the concept of time, and that event which is birth, living, and death together constitute nothing but time, duration. When you are the space you are no more the body, but whatever is contained in that space you are. You are now manifest - whatever is known - the space. This space is known as `chidakash'. In `chidakash this knowingness is `I am'. In the highest `Paramakash' there is no is or is not, It transcends everything. ==== If one had to identify which part of the organism is able to grasp this....Paramakash' .... not an easy task. It is almost by elimination, through negation...but then there is something absolutely positive about it. Take toomba...he says that Paramakash, or the ground, is a product of the brain (or mind? not sure toomba), but that is not the correct understanding/perception/insight upon the matter. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 27/5/2009 16:00:34 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > In respect that this is a list founded because of the words of Nisargadatta, > I did a quick internet search for a Nis quote. Didn't take long, just a few > seconds really. Came up with the following, very on-target statements, for > my eyes: > > As long as you are wearing this concept `I am' you will be involved with all > the concepts. When this concept `I am' departs there will be no memory left > that `I was' and `I had' those experiences; the very memory will be erased. > > All this process of communication, expounding, etc., will go on so long as > this conscious presence is available, and all this is to merely satisfy the > concept `I am', and you the Absolute, are not the primary concept `I am'. > > That which you like most - that itself is `I am', the conscious presence - > but that is not going to last forever. When the body drops off and the > consciousness is extinguished, you need to do nothing. With this > understanding do what you like in the world. > > The only spiritual way to understanding you true nature is to find out the > source of this concept `I am'. Before the sense of presence arrived I was in > that state in which the concept of time was never there. So what is born? It > is the concept of time, and that event which is birth, living, and death > together constitute nothing but time, duration. > > When you are the space you are no more the body, but whatever is contained > in that space you are. You are now manifest - whatever is known - the space. > This space is known as `chidakash'. In `chidakash this knowingness is `I > am'. In the highest `Paramakash' there is no is or is not, It transcends > everything. > > ==== > > If one had to identify which part of the organism is able to grasp > this....Paramakash' .... not an easy task. It is almost by elimination, > through negation...but then there is something absolutely positive about it. > Take toomba...he says that Paramakash, or the ground, is a product of the > brain (or mind? not sure toomba), but that is not the correct > understanding/perception/insight upon the matter. > -geo- > > > > > > > The mind is in the world. The world is in the mind. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > In respect that this is a list founded because of the words of Nisargadatta, > I did a quick internet search for a Nis quote. Didn't take long, just a few > seconds really. Came up with the following, very on-target statements, for > my eyes: > > As long as you are wearing this concept `I am' you will be involved with all > the concepts. When this concept `I am' departs there will be no memory left > that `I was' and `I had' those experiences; the very memory will be erased. > > All this process of communication, expounding, etc., will go on so long as > this conscious presence is available, and all this is to merely satisfy the > concept `I am', and you the Absolute, are not the primary concept `I am'. > > That which you like most - that itself is `I am', the conscious presence - > but that is not going to last forever. When the body drops off and the > consciousness is extinguished, you need to do nothing. With this > understanding do what you like in the world. > > The only spiritual way to understanding you true nature is to find out the > source of this concept `I am'. Before the sense of presence arrived I was in > that state in which the concept of time was never there. So what is born? It > is the concept of time, and that event which is birth, living, and death > together constitute nothing but time, duration. > > When you are the space you are no more the body, but whatever is contained > in that space you are. You are now manifest - whatever is known - the space. > This space is known as `chidakash'. In `chidakash this knowingness is `I > am'. In the highest `Paramakash' there is no is or is not, It transcends > everything. > > ==== > > If one had to identify which part of the organism is able to grasp > this....Paramakash' .... not an easy task. It is almost by elimination, > through negation...but then there is something absolutely positive about it. > Take toomba...he says that Paramakash, or the ground, is a product of the > brain (or mind? not sure toomba), but that is not the correct > understanding/perception/insight upon the matter. > -geo- The organism is constructed by retaining a form. That form requires polarity, requires inside and outside, requires assumed existence. The organism can't grasp the truth that transcends is and is not. There is no experience of this truth, no grasping of it by an organism. You might say something like, " this truth has spoken through Nis., or through so-and-so. " But this truth speaks everywhere at once. Thundering silence. Unspeakable word. Unknowable knowing. -- D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:28 PM Re: From Nisargadatta " Prior to Consciousness " : neither is nor is not Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > In respect that this is a list founded because of the words of > Nisargadatta, > I did a quick internet search for a Nis quote. Didn't take long, just a > few > seconds really. Came up with the following, very on-target statements, for > my eyes: > > As long as you are wearing this concept `I am' you will be involved with > all > the concepts. When this concept `I am' departs there will be no memory > left > that `I was' and `I had' those experiences; the very memory will be > erased. > > All this process of communication, expounding, etc., will go on so long as > this conscious presence is available, and all this is to merely satisfy > the > concept `I am', and you the Absolute, are not the primary concept `I am'. > > That which you like most - that itself is `I am', the conscious presence - > but that is not going to last forever. When the body drops off and the > consciousness is extinguished, you need to do nothing. With this > understanding do what you like in the world. > > The only spiritual way to understanding you true nature is to find out the > source of this concept `I am'. Before the sense of presence arrived I was > in > that state in which the concept of time was never there. So what is born? > It > is the concept of time, and that event which is birth, living, and death > together constitute nothing but time, duration. > > When you are the space you are no more the body, but whatever is contained > in that space you are. You are now manifest - whatever is known - the > space. > This space is known as `chidakash'. In `chidakash this knowingness is `I > am'. In the highest `Paramakash' there is no is or is not, It transcends > everything. > > ==== > > If one had to identify which part of the organism is able to grasp > this....Paramakash' .... not an easy task. It is almost by elimination, > through negation...but then there is something absolutely positive about > it. > Take toomba...he says that Paramakash, or the ground, is a product of the > brain (or mind? not sure toomba), but that is not the correct > understanding/perception/insight upon the matter. > -geo- > > > > > > > The mind is in the world. The world is in the mind. toombaru That is clear. And what is beyond the mind/world? What is finner matter then then manifestation? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 27/5/2009 17:33:59 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Hi Dan, Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > In respect that this is a list founded because of the words of Nisargadatta, I did a quick internet search for a Nis quote. Didn't take long, just a few seconds really. Came up with the following, very on-target statements, for my eyes: > > As long as you are wearing this concept `I am' you will be involved with all the concepts. When this concept `I am' departs there will be no memory left that `I was' and `I had' those experiences; the very memory will be erased. > > All this process of communication, expounding, etc., will go on so long as this conscious presence is available, and all this is to merely satisfy the concept `I am', and you the Absolute, are not the primary concept `I am'. > > That which you like most – that itself is `I am', the conscious presence – but that is not going to last forever. When the body drops off and the consciousness is extinguished, you need to do nothing. > With this understanding do what you like in the world. How do you interpret Nis's statement above, " do what you like in the world? " Or do ya? ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > In respect that this is a list founded because of the words of Nisargadatta, I did a quick internet search for a Nis quote. Didn't take long, just a few seconds really. Came up with the following, very on-target statements, for my eyes: > > > > As long as you are wearing this concept `I am' you will be involved with all the concepts. When this concept `I am' departs there will be no memory left that `I was' and `I had' those experiences; the very memory will be erased. > > > > All this process of communication, expounding, etc., will go on so long as this conscious presence is available, and all this is to merely satisfy the concept `I am', and you the Absolute, are not the primary concept `I am'. > > > > That which you like most – that itself is `I am', the conscious presence – but that is not going to last forever. When the body drops off and the consciousness is extinguished, you need to do nothing. > > With this understanding do what you like in the world. > > How do you interpret Nis's statement above, " do what you like in the world? " Or do ya? ;-). Hi Tim - It's important to consider it in context. He is saying this to one whose identification with human consciousness is not happening. This one includes all, and so includes everything perceived, including this human consciousness as long as it's operational. So, no reason not to act in the world. Any action will automatically (spontaneously, if you like) fit with everything else happening. There aren't judgments attached. That is how I take " do what you like in the world. " How do you take it? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Hi Dan, > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > In respect that this is a list founded because of the words of Nisargadatta, I did a quick internet search for a Nis quote. Didn't take long, just a few seconds really. Came up with the following, very on-target statements, for my eyes: > > > > > > As long as you are wearing this concept `I am' you will be involved with all the concepts. When this concept `I am' departs there will be no memory left that `I was' and `I had' those experiences; the very memory will be erased. > > > > > > All this process of communication, expounding, etc., will go on so long as this conscious presence is available, and all this is to merely satisfy the concept `I am', and you the Absolute, are not the primary concept `I am'. > > > > > > That which you like most – that itself is `I am', the conscious presence – but that is not going to last forever. When the body drops off and the consciousness is extinguished, you need to do nothing. > > > With this understanding do what you like in the world. > > > > How do you interpret Nis's statement above, " do what you like in the world? " Or do ya? ;-). > > Hi Tim - > > It's important to consider it in context. He is saying this to one whose identification with human consciousness is not happening. > > This one includes all, and so includes everything perceived, including this human consciousness as long as it's operational. > > So, no reason not to act in the world. > > Any action will automatically (spontaneously, if you like) fit with everything else happening. > > There aren't judgments attached. > > That is how I take " do what you like in the world. " > > How do you take it? > > -- Dan I don't know. Like ya said, all happens spontaneously in any case. I do " believe " in not-harming. If all is my Self, to harm is to harm myself. Oh, not really, but this human life includes 'principles' and such. I don't believe in hurting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:14 PM Re: From Nisargadatta " Prior to Consciousness " : neither is nor is not Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > In respect that this is a list founded because of the words of > > Nisargadatta, I did a quick internet search for a Nis quote. Didn't take > > long, just a few seconds really. Came up with the following, very > > on-target statements, for my eyes: > > > > As long as you are wearing this concept `I am' you will be involved with > > all the concepts. When this concept `I am' departs there will be no > > memory left that `I was' and `I had' those experiences; the very memory > > will be erased. > > > > All this process of communication, expounding, etc., will go on so long > > as this conscious presence is available, and all this is to merely > > satisfy the concept `I am', and you the Absolute, are not the primary > > concept `I am'. > > > > That which you like most - that itself is `I am', the conscious > > presence - but that is not going to last forever. When the body drops > > off and the consciousness is extinguished, you need to do nothing. > > With this understanding do what you like in the world. > > How do you interpret Nis's statement above, " do what you like in the > world? " Or do ya? ;-). Hi Tim - It's important to consider it in context. He is saying this to one whose identification with human consciousness is not happening. geo> What do you mean? The ground is aware of consciousness - it is not identified with it. This one includes all, and so includes everything perceived, including this human consciousness as long as it's operational. geo> How can it not be functional? So, no reason not to act in the world. Any action will automatically (spontaneously, if you like) fit with everything else happening. There aren't judgments attached. That is how I take " do what you like in the world. " How do you take it? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Dan, > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In respect that this is a list founded because of the words of Nisargadatta, I did a quick internet search for a Nis quote. Didn't take long, just a few seconds really. Came up with the following, very on-target statements, for my eyes: > > > > > > > > As long as you are wearing this concept `I am' you will be involved with all the concepts. When this concept `I am' departs there will be no memory left that `I was' and `I had' those experiences; the very memory will be erased. > > > > > > > > All this process of communication, expounding, etc., will go on so long as this conscious presence is available, and all this is to merely satisfy the concept `I am', and you the Absolute, are not the primary concept `I am'. > > > > > > > > That which you like most – that itself is `I am', the conscious presence – but that is not going to last forever. When the body drops off and the consciousness is extinguished, you need to do nothing. > > > > With this understanding do what you like in the world. > > > > > > How do you interpret Nis's statement above, " do what you like in the world? " Or do ya? ;-). > > > > Hi Tim - > > > > It's important to consider it in context. He is saying this to one whose identification with human consciousness is not happening. > > > > This one includes all, and so includes everything perceived, including this human consciousness as long as it's operational. > > > > So, no reason not to act in the world. > > > > Any action will automatically (spontaneously, if you like) fit with everything else happening. > > > > There aren't judgments attached. > > > > That is how I take " do what you like in the world. " > > > > How do you take it? > > > > -- Dan > > I don't know. Like ya said, all happens spontaneously in any case. > > I do " believe " in not-harming. If all is my Self, to harm is to harm myself. > > Oh, not really, but this human life includes 'principles' and such. I don't believe in hurting. Without perceived separation, the intent to harm is not. - D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:14 PM > Re: From Nisargadatta " Prior to Consciousness " : > neither is nor is not > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Hi Dan, > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > In respect that this is a list founded because of the words of > > > Nisargadatta, I did a quick internet search for a Nis quote. Didn't take > > > long, just a few seconds really. Came up with the following, very > > > on-target statements, for my eyes: > > > > > > As long as you are wearing this concept `I am' you will be involved with > > > all the concepts. When this concept `I am' departs there will be no > > > memory left that `I was' and `I had' those experiences; the very memory > > > will be erased. > > > > > > All this process of communication, expounding, etc., will go on so long > > > as this conscious presence is available, and all this is to merely > > > satisfy the concept `I am', and you the Absolute, are not the primary > > > concept `I am'. > > > > > > That which you like most - that itself is `I am', the conscious > > > presence - but that is not going to last forever. When the body drops > > > off and the consciousness is extinguished, you need to do nothing. > > > With this understanding do what you like in the world. > > > > How do you interpret Nis's statement above, " do what you like in the > > world? " Or do ya? ;-). > > Hi Tim - > > It's important to consider it in context. He is saying this to one whose > identification with human consciousness is not happening. > > geo> What do you mean? The ground is aware of consciousness - it is not > identified with it. D: As I said, identification with human consciousness is not happening. I would put it that consciousness is happening through awareness, but identification with consciousness is not happening. > This one includes all, and so includes everything perceived, including this > human consciousness as long as it's operational. > > geo> How can it not be functional? D: Operational, is the term I used. The human being's consciousness is not operational after the human body-mind dies. > So, no reason not to act in the world. > > Any action will automatically (spontaneously, if you like) fit with > everything else happening. > > There aren't judgments attached. > > That is how I take " do what you like in the world. " > > How do you take it? > > -- Dan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:59 PM Re: From Nisargadatta " Prior to Consciousness " : neither is nor is not Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:14 PM > Re: From Nisargadatta " Prior to Consciousness " : > neither is nor is not > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Hi Dan, > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > In respect that this is a list founded because of the words of > > > Nisargadatta, I did a quick internet search for a Nis quote. Didn't > > > take > > > long, just a few seconds really. Came up with the following, very > > > on-target statements, for my eyes: > > > > > > As long as you are wearing this concept `I am' you will be involved > > > with > > > all the concepts. When this concept `I am' departs there will be no > > > memory left that `I was' and `I had' those experiences; the very > > > memory > > > will be erased. > > > > > > All this process of communication, expounding, etc., will go on so > > > long > > > as this conscious presence is available, and all this is to merely > > > satisfy the concept `I am', and you the Absolute, are not the primary > > > concept `I am'. > > > > > > That which you like most - that itself is `I am', the conscious > > > presence - but that is not going to last forever. When the body drops > > > off and the consciousness is extinguished, you need to do nothing. > > > With this understanding do what you like in the world. > > > > How do you interpret Nis's statement above, " do what you like in the > > world? " Or do ya? ;-). > > Hi Tim - > > It's important to consider it in context. He is saying this to one whose > identification with human consciousness is not happening. > > geo> What do you mean? The ground is aware of consciousness - it is not > identified with it. D: As I said, identification with human consciousness is not happening. geo> is he talking to that which is not identified with consciousness? What for? I would put it that consciousness is happening through awareness, but identification with consciousness is not happening. > This one includes all, and so includes everything perceived, including > this > human consciousness as long as it's operational. > > geo> How can it not be functional? D: Operational, is the term I used. The human being's consciousness is not operational after the human body-mind dies. > So, no reason not to act in the world. > > Any action will automatically (spontaneously, if you like) fit with > everything else happening. > > There aren't judgments attached. > > That is how I take " do what you like in the world. " > > How do you take it? > > -- Dan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:59 PM > Re: From Nisargadatta " Prior to Consciousness " : > neither is nor is not > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:14 PM > > Re: From Nisargadatta " Prior to Consciousness " : > > neither is nor is not > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Dan, > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In respect that this is a list founded because of the words of > > > > Nisargadatta, I did a quick internet search for a Nis quote. Didn't > > > > take > > > > long, just a few seconds really. Came up with the following, very > > > > on-target statements, for my eyes: > > > > > > > > As long as you are wearing this concept `I am' you will be involved > > > > with > > > > all the concepts. When this concept `I am' departs there will be no > > > > memory left that `I was' and `I had' those experiences; the very > > > > memory > > > > will be erased. > > > > > > > > All this process of communication, expounding, etc., will go on so > > > > long > > > > as this conscious presence is available, and all this is to merely > > > > satisfy the concept `I am', and you the Absolute, are not the primary > > > > concept `I am'. > > > > > > > > That which you like most - that itself is `I am', the conscious > > > > presence - but that is not going to last forever. When the body drops > > > > off and the consciousness is extinguished, you need to do nothing. > > > > With this understanding do what you like in the world. > > > > > > How do you interpret Nis's statement above, " do what you like in the > > > world? " Or do ya? ;-). > > > > Hi Tim - > > > > It's important to consider it in context. He is saying this to one whose > > identification with human consciousness is not happening. > > > > geo> What do you mean? The ground is aware of consciousness - it is not > > identified with it. > > D: As I said, identification with human consciousness is not happening. > > geo> is he talking to that which is not identified with consciousness? What > for? Yes. What for ... anything? What is the meaning of meaning ... There is no explanation for totality. Totality includes all events. No explanation. -- D. > I would put it that consciousness is happening through awareness, but > identification with consciousness is not happening. > > > This one includes all, and so includes everything perceived, including > > this > > human consciousness as long as it's operational. > > > > geo> How can it not be functional? > > D: Operational, is the term I used. > > The human being's consciousness is not operational after the human body-mind > dies. > > > So, no reason not to act in the world. > > > > Any action will automatically (spontaneously, if you like) fit with > > everything else happening. > > > > There aren't judgments attached. > > > > That is how I take " do what you like in the world. " > > > > How do you take it? > > > > -- Dan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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