Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 You say there is no self, and then you say that there are people who have selves lurking. Nonsense. It has nothing to do with being spiritual. There never has been a self possessed by any person anywhere at any time. There is no special person who knows this truth, or has this truth. Except b. b. king. Laughter -- - D - Is there awareness of the totality of consciousness, or totality of human world, as one movement? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > look into what is going on when a person faces another person. > > > > > > how is the self separated from the other? > > > > > > check it out. > > > > > > if you do, what is actual will shock you. > > > > There is no 'you' ;-). That's the title of the 'self-image'. No such entity ever existed, anywhere. Thus, no 'you' will be shocked. > > So, you keep repeating that there is no you, and you keep saying this to no one. > > Whatever works for you. > > Understanding is a shock. > > It doesn't fit the expected mode of perception based on memory. > > Which is what the " you " the " me " is. > > Avoidance of the shock of what is, is what keeps the repetition of thought going, the recurrent return to the reservoir of memories. > > Including the repetition on this list that there is no you. > > Just a repetition of a thought. > > - D - just keep repeating that to the nonexistent self. what a fucking shocker huh? LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better than > > > > > anyone > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I am. > > > > > :>/ > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make sure > > > no > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > familly, > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > -geo- > > > > No " other " has ever appeared independently anywhere. > > > > The " other " appears only in relationship to the fictional self. > > > > You can't have one without the other. > > > > See how this works? > > > > See how alone it is? > > > > - D - > > > > So...are " you " completely alone always, in all situations? > > Never experience conflict one time or another? > > -geo- > > There is one alone. > > This one is alone in all situations, unrecognized. > > This one has never experienced conflict. > > Human beings don't experience conflict, they are a conflict. > > Yet, the human being doesn't interfere at all with this one. > > The conflict that is the human being is resolved. > > It is not resolved for or by a human being. > > -- D -- if the alone is solo.. it hardly fits to call it alone. there are no " others " leaving the alone....alone. you're just conflicted in thought. that's human. you'll get over it. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, June 01, 2009 9:17 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > > than > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > > am. > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > > sure > > > > no > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > familly, > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > > longer > > > where one resides. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I also know the words of that song by heart. But is it actual when facing > > > people, always? > > > -geo- > > > > look into what is going on when a person faces another person. > > > > how is the self separated from the other? > > > > check it out. > > > > if you do, what is actual will shock you. > > > > what is actual isn't a part-time situation. > > > > it's not an insight had a person that comes and goes. > > > > - D - > > > > Do you actualy do this? > > -geo- > > It is not a doing. > > It is not a possession of a human being. > > Thought wants to define this truth as if it could be a human doing. > > Thought wants to make it a property of a particular human brain/body/mind. > > Thought wants to make it graspable for the thought system, perceivable to it in a recognizable form. > > This is why this truth is such a shock to the thought-memory-orientation-perceptual system. > > Because that system is not there to understand it. > > And yet, understanding is. > > And that system cannot possess it. > > And yet, here it is. > > - D - if by " here " you mean danny.. nope! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, June 01, 2009 9:15 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 5:28 PM > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 PM > > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > > than > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > > am. > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > > sure no > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > familly, > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > > > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > > longer where one resides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > the center was never there for one second. > > > > the rupturing is of the belief that it was ever there. > > > > - D - > > > > Is the belief always not there when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > familly, > > work....always able to be alone? > > -geo- > > Geo - > > It is not a belief. > > It is not the personality. > > It is not how you appear to others. > > Look! > > Alone is not an ability. > > It is what the orientation toward belief, personality, and appearance to others is avoiding. > > - D - you aren't avoiding anything. you can't see this. astounding! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, June 01, 2009 9:13 PM > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 5:28 PM > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 PM > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better than > > > > > anyone > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I am. > > > > > :>/ > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make sure > > > no > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > familly, > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > -geo- > > > > No " other " has ever appeared independently anywhere. > > > > The " other " appears only in relationship to the fictional self. > > > > You can't have one without the other. > > > > See how this works? > > > > See how alone it is? > > > > - D - > > > > Is this actual for you in any and all situations of life? > > -geo- > > Yes. > > This aloneness has never been disturbed by the birth of a human being, any other creature, any situation. > > It is actual for you in any and all situations of life. > > It isn't picking and choosing certain you's to be actual for. > > It is totality, actuality itself. > > - D - what the hell could " totality " OR " actuality " be " itself " ? this is nothing more than tautology. does not impress. well..maybe itself..and you. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 9:15 PM > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 5:28 PM > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 PM > > > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > > > am. > > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > > > sure no > > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > > familly, > > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > > > > > > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > > > longer where one resides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > the center was never there for one second. > > > > > > the rupturing is of the belief that it was ever there. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Is the belief always not there when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > familly, > > > work....always able to be alone? > > > -geo- > > > > > > what is it BUT a " center " ? > > > > the rupturing IS centering for christ's sake. > > > > don't listen to that self serving crap. > > > > no one who says they're alone is alone. > > > > there is a " self " lurking if nothing else. > > > > some just want to sound profound..holy.. " aware " . > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > You say there is no self, and then you say that there are people who have selves lurking. > > Nonsense. > > It has nothing to do with being spiritual. > > There never has been a self possessed by any person anywhere at any time. > > There is no special person who knows this truth, or has this truth. > > Except b. b. king. > > Laughter -- > > - D - bullshit. b.b. is the King of the Blues. all that pissing and moaning says he knows nothing. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > You say there is no self, and then you say that there are people who have > selves lurking. > > Nonsense. > > It has nothing to do with being spiritual. > > There never has been a self possessed by any person anywhere at any time. > > There is no special person who knows this truth, or has this truth. > > Except b. b. king. > > Laughter -- > > - D - > > Is there awareness of the totality of consciousness, or totality of human > world, as one movement? > -geo- Awareness is undivided. Awareness is the totality, it is not aware of the totality. Awareness is the undivided energy, it is not aware of the one movement, awareness is the nondivided " movement. " This " movement " is stillness. It is not particular to the " human world " or " human consciousness. " Awarenes is nondivided with respect to all that is, inclusive of, but not limited to the human being. -- D -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > look into what is going on when a person faces another person. > > > > > > > > how is the self separated from the other? > > > > > > > > check it out. > > > > > > > > if you do, what is actual will shock you. > > > > > > There is no 'you' ;-). That's the title of the 'self-image'. No such entity ever existed, anywhere. Thus, no 'you' will be shocked. > > > > So, you keep repeating that there is no you, and you keep saying this to no one. > > > > Whatever works for you. > > > > Understanding is a shock. > > > > It doesn't fit the expected mode of perception based on memory. > > > > Which is what the " you " the " me " is. > > > > Avoidance of the shock of what is, is what keeps the repetition of thought going, the recurrent return to the reservoir of memories. > > > > Including the repetition on this list that there is no you. > > > > Just a repetition of a thought. > > > > - D - > > > just keep repeating that to the nonexistent self. > > what a fucking shocker huh? > > LOL! > > .b b.b. the nonexistent self. you are not speaking to anyone, bob. - d. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better than > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I am. > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make sure > > > > no > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > familly, > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > No " other " has ever appeared independently anywhere. > > > > > > The " other " appears only in relationship to the fictional self. > > > > > > You can't have one without the other. > > > > > > See how this works? > > > > > > See how alone it is? > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > So...are " you " completely alone always, in all situations? > > > Never experience conflict one time or another? > > > -geo- > > > > There is one alone. > > > > This one is alone in all situations, unrecognized. > > > > This one has never experienced conflict. > > > > Human beings don't experience conflict, they are a conflict. > > > > Yet, the human being doesn't interfere at all with this one. > > > > The conflict that is the human being is resolved. > > > > It is not resolved for or by a human being. > > > > -- D -- > > > if the alone is solo.. > > it hardly fits to call it alone. > > there are no " others " leaving the alone....alone. > > you're just conflicted in thought. > > that's human. > > you'll get over it. > > .b b.b. there is no future time in which to get over something. - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 9:17 PM > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > > > am. > > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > > > sure > > > > > no > > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > > familly, > > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > > > longer > > > > where one resides. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > I also know the words of that song by heart. But is it actual when facing > > > > people, always? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > look into what is going on when a person faces another person. > > > > > > how is the self separated from the other? > > > > > > check it out. > > > > > > if you do, what is actual will shock you. > > > > > > what is actual isn't a part-time situation. > > > > > > it's not an insight had a person that comes and goes. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Do you actualy do this? > > > -geo- > > > > It is not a doing. > > > > It is not a possession of a human being. > > > > Thought wants to define this truth as if it could be a human doing. > > > > Thought wants to make it a property of a particular human brain/body/mind. > > > > Thought wants to make it graspable for the thought system, perceivable to it in a recognizable form. > > > > This is why this truth is such a shock to the thought-memory-orientation-perceptual system. > > > > Because that system is not there to understand it. > > > > And yet, understanding is. > > > > And that system cannot possess it. > > > > And yet, here it is. > > > > - D - > > > if by " here " you mean danny.. > > nope! > > .b b.b. here is not-danny not-bobby ... - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 9:15 PM > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 5:28 PM > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 PM > > > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > > > am. > > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > > > sure no > > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > > familly, > > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > > > > > > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > > > longer where one resides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > the center was never there for one second. > > > > > > the rupturing is of the belief that it was ever there. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Is the belief always not there when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > familly, > > > work....always able to be alone? > > > -geo- > > > > Geo - > > > > It is not a belief. > > > > It is not the personality. > > > > It is not how you appear to others. > > > > Look! > > > > Alone is not an ability. > > > > It is what the orientation toward belief, personality, and appearance to others is avoiding. > > > > - D - > > > you aren't avoiding anything. > > you can't see this. > > astounding! > > .b b.b. it can't be avoided that why everything based on avoidance is fiction, the story of a person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:58 PM Re: Physical Death Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > You say there is no self, and then you say that there are people who have > selves lurking. > > Nonsense. > > It has nothing to do with being spiritual. > > There never has been a self possessed by any person anywhere at any time. > > There is no special person who knows this truth, or has this truth. > > Except b. b. king. > > Laughter -- > > - D - > > Is there awareness of the totality of consciousness, or totality of human > world, as one movement? > -geo- Awareness is undivided. Awareness is the totality, it is not aware of the totality. Awareness is the undivided energy, it is not aware of the one movement, awareness is the nondivided " movement. " This " movement " is stillness. It is not particular to the " human world " or " human consciousness. " Awarenes is nondivided with respect to all that is, inclusive of, but not limited to the human being. -- D -- With the dissolution of human body, consciousness also dissolves. What about awareness? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better than > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I am. > > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make sure > > > > > no > > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > > familly, > > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > No " other " has ever appeared independently anywhere. > > > > > > > > The " other " appears only in relationship to the fictional self. > > > > > > > > You can't have one without the other. > > > > > > > > See how this works? > > > > > > > > See how alone it is? > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > So...are " you " completely alone always, in all situations? > > > > Never experience conflict one time or another? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well he tells a lot of conflicting stories. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > as if. > > > > d. > > > no ifs about it sport. > > .b b.b. if you know this, then your concern about stories is misplaced. stories are as if. - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > look into what is going on when a person faces another person. > > > > > > > > > > how is the self separated from the other? > > > > > > > > > > check it out. > > > > > > > > > > if you do, what is actual will shock you. > > > > > > > > There is no 'you' ;-). That's the title of the 'self-image'. No such entity ever existed, anywhere. Thus, no 'you' will be shocked. > > > > > > So, you keep repeating that there is no you, and you keep saying this to no one. > > > > > > Whatever works for you. > > > > > > Understanding is a shock. > > > > > > It doesn't fit the expected mode of perception based on memory. > > > > > > Which is what the " you " the " me " is. > > > > > > Avoidance of the shock of what is, is what keeps the repetition of thought going, the recurrent return to the reservoir of memories. > > > > > > Including the repetition on this list that there is no you. > > > > > > Just a repetition of a thought. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > just keep repeating that to the nonexistent self. > > > > what a fucking shocker huh? > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > the nonexistent self. > > you are not speaking to anyone, bob. > > - d. - oh bullshit. just keep repeating that hogwash. it seems to thrill you. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 9:15 PM > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 5:28 PM > > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > > > > am. > > > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > > > > sure no > > > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > > > familly, > > > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > > > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > > > > longer where one resides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > the center was never there for one second. > > > > > > > > the rupturing is of the belief that it was ever there. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > Is the belief always not there when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > familly, > > > > work....always able to be alone? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > what is it BUT a " center " ? > > > > > > the rupturing IS centering for christ's sake. > > > > > > don't listen to that self serving crap. > > > > > > no one who says they're alone is alone. > > > > > > there is a " self " lurking if nothing else. > > > > > > some just want to sound profound..holy.. " aware " . > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > You say there is no self, and then you say that there are people who have selves lurking. > > > > Nonsense. > > > > It has nothing to do with being spiritual. > > > > There never has been a self possessed by any person anywhere at any time. > > > > There is no special person who knows this truth, or has this truth. > > > > Except b. b. king. > > > > Laughter -- > > > > - D - > > > bullshit. > > b.b. is the King of the Blues. > > all that pissing and moaning says he knows nothing. > > .b b.b. b.b. knows lucille. that is all he needs to know. the nothing is in the music. nothing more needs to be known. - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 9:15 PM > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 5:28 PM > > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > > > > am. > > > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > > > > sure no > > > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > > > familly, > > > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > > > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > > > > longer where one resides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > the center was never there for one second. > > > > > > > > the rupturing is of the belief that it was ever there. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > Is the belief always not there when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > familly, > > > > work....always able to be alone? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > It is not a belief. > > > > > > It is not the personality. > > > > > > It is not how you appear to others. > > > > > > Look! > > > > > > Alone is not an ability. > > > > > > It is what the orientation toward belief, personality, and appearance to others is avoiding. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > you aren't avoiding anything. > > > > you can't see this. > > > > astounding! > > > > .b b.b. > > it can't be avoided > > that why everything based on avoidance is fiction, the story of a person that's your story. and you are avoiding admitting it. not that it. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 9:17 PM > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > > > > am. > > > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > > > > sure > > > > > > no > > > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > > > familly, > > > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > > > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > > > > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > > > > longer > > > > > where one resides. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > I also know the words of that song by heart. But is it actual when facing > > > > > people, always? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > look into what is going on when a person faces another person. > > > > > > > > how is the self separated from the other? > > > > > > > > check it out. > > > > > > > > if you do, what is actual will shock you. > > > > > > > > what is actual isn't a part-time situation. > > > > > > > > it's not an insight had a person that comes and goes. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > Do you actualy do this? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > It is not a doing. > > > > > > It is not a possession of a human being. > > > > > > Thought wants to define this truth as if it could be a human doing. > > > > > > Thought wants to make it a property of a particular human brain/body/mind. > > > > > > Thought wants to make it graspable for the thought system, perceivable to it in a recognizable form. > > > > > > This is why this truth is such a shock to the thought-memory-orientation-perceptual system. > > > > > > Because that system is not there to understand it. > > > > > > And yet, understanding is. > > > > > > And that system cannot possess it. > > > > > > And yet, here it is. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > if by " here " you mean danny.. > > > > nope! > > > > .b b.b. > > here is not-danny not-bobby ... > > - d - i'm .b b.b.. you're dan. cut the crap. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:58 PM > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > You say there is no self, and then you say that there are people who have > > selves lurking. > > > > Nonsense. > > > > It has nothing to do with being spiritual. > > > > There never has been a self possessed by any person anywhere at any time. > > > > There is no special person who knows this truth, or has this truth. > > > > Except b. b. king. > > > > Laughter -- > > > > - D - > > > > Is there awareness of the totality of consciousness, or totality of human > > world, as one movement? > > -geo- > > Awareness is undivided. > > Awareness is the totality, it is not aware of the totality. > > Awareness is the undivided energy, it is not aware of the one movement, > awareness is the nondivided " movement. " > > This " movement " is stillness. > > It is not particular to the " human world " or " human consciousness. " > > Awarenes is nondivided with respect to all that is, inclusive of, but not > limited to the human being. > > -- D -- > > With the dissolution of human body, consciousness also dissolves. > What about awareness? > -geo- it's pretty low on the totem pole. that's why all the kids talk so much about it. it doesn't mean anything. just carvings on a slant tree signifying nothing. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better than > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I am. > > > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make sure > > > > > > no > > > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > > > familly, > > > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > No " other " has ever appeared independently anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > The " other " appears only in relationship to the fictional self. > > > > > > > > > > You can't have one without the other. > > > > > > > > > > See how this works? > > > > > > > > > > See how alone it is? > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > So...are " you " completely alone always, in all situations? > > > > > Never experience conflict one time or another? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well he tells a lot of conflicting stories. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > as if. > > > > > > d. > > > > > > no ifs about it sport. > > > > .b b.b. > > if you know this, then your concern about stories is misplaced. > > stories are as if. > > - d - i know nothing. you don't either. that's the rub. you seem to think you do. that's your story. i could not care less. why are you so concerned about what you say? or what i say? or what anyone says? guess what danny? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > With the dissolution of human body, consciousness also dissolves. > What about awareness? > -geo- or, as richard dreyfus would say, " what about bob? " if the body consciousness dissolves, there is awareness of the dissolving awareness/arisings awareness/dissolutions not-two beginningless endless and what of no-thing? no arising no dissolution no awareness no nothing? what of what can't be thunk or said? you won't read it on this list if you follow the posts for a hundred years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > You say there is no self, and then you say that there are people who have > > > selves lurking. > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > It has nothing to do with being spiritual. > > > > > > There never has been a self possessed by any person anywhere at any time. > > > > > > There is no special person who knows this truth, or has this truth. > > > > > > Except b. b. king. > > > > > > Laughter -- > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Is there awareness of the totality of consciousness, or totality of human > > > world, as one movement? > > > -geo- > > > > Awareness is undivided. > > > > Awareness is the totality, it is not aware of the totality. > > > > Awareness is the undivided energy, it is not aware of the one movement, awareness is the nondivided " movement. " > > > > This " movement " is stillness. > > > > It is not particular to the " human world " or " human consciousness. " > > > > Awarenes is nondivided with respect to all that is, inclusive of, but not limited to the human being. > > > > -- D -- > > > awareness is NOT energy. > > undivided or otherwise. > > energy is merely a different phase state of matter. > > it is not a " field " . > > a field is dependent upon a wave/particle duality. > > awareness is not awareness. > > any talk of division or the non divided is error. > > non divided has meaning ONLY in relationship to the divided. > > foolishness. > > .b b.b. awareness/matter not-two bobby - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 9:15 PM > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 5:28 PM > > > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 01, 2009 4:43 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Physical Death > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I > > > > > > > > > am. > > > > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make > > > > > > > sure no > > > > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > > > > familly, > > > > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the center ruptures...the mechanical dance no longer is taken > > > > > > personally and one moves along enthralled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What had been the geocentric center is still there......but it is no > > > > > > longer where one resides. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > the center was never there for one second. > > > > > > > > > > the rupturing is of the belief that it was ever there. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > Is the belief always not there when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > > familly, > > > > > work....always able to be alone? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > what is it BUT a " center " ? > > > > > > > > the rupturing IS centering for christ's sake. > > > > > > > > don't listen to that self serving crap. > > > > > > > > no one who says they're alone is alone. > > > > > > > > there is a " self " lurking if nothing else. > > > > > > > > some just want to sound profound..holy.. " aware " . > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > You say there is no self, and then you say that there are people who have selves lurking. > > > > > > Nonsense. > > > > > > It has nothing to do with being spiritual. > > > > > > There never has been a self possessed by any person anywhere at any time. > > > > > > There is no special person who knows this truth, or has this truth. > > > > > > Except b. b. king. > > > > > > Laughter -- > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > b.b. is the King of the Blues. > > > > all that pissing and moaning says he knows nothing. > > > > .b b.b. > > > b.b. knows lucille. > > that is all he needs to know. > > the nothing is in the music. > > nothing more needs to be known. > > - d - dan.. i know Riley King. he is a long time friend of mine. i've known him since the mid 1960s. i as he am in the music industry. believe me.. he'd be laughing his ass off at your crap. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ME going...yes. > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lots of ways to attempt the me-attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including claiming that it doesn't exist, and I know this better than > > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > else ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. It is an ongoing cleaning of the field. Cleaning the rubish I am. > > > > > > > > :>/ > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like trying to rub your shadow out with a stick? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > like hiring a zombie in your dream, to police the landscape and make sure > > > > > > no > > > > > > dead people are walking around, contaminating your dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > A question to you all: when you are with people, a party, at a bar, > > > > > > familly, > > > > > > work....are always able to be alone? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > No " other " has ever appeared independently anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > The " other " appears only in relationship to the fictional self. > > > > > > > > > > You can't have one without the other. > > > > > > > > > > See how this works? > > > > > > > > > > See how alone it is? > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > So...are " you " completely alone always, in all situations? > > > > > Never experience conflict one time or another? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > There is one alone. > > > > > > > > This one is alone in all situations, unrecognized. > > > > > > > > This one has never experienced conflict. > > > > > > > > Human beings don't experience conflict, they are a conflict. > > > > > > > > Yet, the human being doesn't interfere at all with this one. > > > > > > > > The conflict that is the human being is resolved. > > > > > > > > It is not resolved for or by a human being. > > > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > > > > > > if the alone is solo.. > > > > > > it hardly fits to call it alone. > > > > > > there are no " others " leaving the alone....alone. > > > > > > you're just conflicted in thought. > > > > > > that's human. > > > > > > you'll get over it. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > there is no future time in which to get over something. > > > > > > - d - > > > why then didn't you answer before i said anything? > > what horse manure! > > .b b.b. keep repeating how everything is manure. you seem to be getting something out of it. no one " else " is listening. - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > that's your story. > > and you are avoiding admitting it. > > not that it. > > .b b.b. either you're addressing yourself, or a " you " that you say doesn't exist. if selves don't exist, then perhaps you're the one who is benefitting from your talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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