Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > Whos is there to awaken, if the teachings say we don't really exist? Maybe there isn't an answer to a question like that. > > Indeed. > > It's a question posed by a dream character, thinking it would benefit from the answer to it. > > Being awake, the question of a dream character has no relevance, no gain. > > Wait, let me go back into the dream I had last night about a hungry puppy, so I can give it a can of dog food I bought today ... > > -- D. christ you're mixed up... but i see toombaru has at least lit a path for you. but danny.. don't mix levels. it's silly. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > > > Whos is there to awaken, if the teachings say we don't really exist? Maybe there isn't an answer to a question like that. > > > > Indeed. > > > > It's a question posed by a dream character, thinking it would benefit from the answer to it. > > > > Being awake, the question of a dream character has no relevance, no gain. > > > > Wait, let me go back into the dream I had last night about a hungry puppy, so I can give it a can of dog food I bought today ... > > > > -- D. > > > christ you're mixed up... > > but i see toombaru has at least lit a path for you. > > but danny.. > > don't mix levels. > > it's silly. > > .b b.b. all the levels are leveled. Dd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/28/2009 7:38:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > hop_devil61 writes: > > Not sure I follow these responses, but thanks. The crux of it is this. If > we can only " be " who we are, and not experience who we are, then these > excersizes are pointless, since there would be no goal to reach at all. > > > ****Realization is a fine goal. It's true we're not seeking an experience, > and realization is not an experience, but the realization of what's not so > (primarilly the person imagined to be having the experience) radically > changes the experience of what is happening. Yes, I realize I'm answering my own question, in a sense. But the concept > of 'realize' would seem to be meaningless. I mean, any experience would be > 'not it', if I understand N's writings correctly. So, then, what is the > point of the search? What is the point of he or anyone else pointing others to > this 'truth'. > > > > ****Realization is not meaningless, except to those eaten by the Neti-Neti > monster. > > > This is all very confusing, for sure! > > And Nisargadatta talked a lot about his absence of fear, worry, etc. These > are wonderful things. But isn't the absense of something a recognition > too? And if it's a recognition we are clinging to, doesn't THAT contradict the > teaching that we are to cling to nothing? Isn't that the same thing as > clinging to something temporary? > > > > > ***One does not cling to a realization. There's no need because it is not > a concept, but a 'knowing'. You realize you have two feet, and there's no > need for you to cling to the concept in order to reassure yourself it's true. > > > > > He also said something about the desire to have no desire being a special > desire, or words to that effect. So this ONE desire is okay? > What does that say about all the statements that clearly state we should > cling to nothing? The very words 'should' and 'must' imply a goal, something > to be attained to, etc. > > Ah, my mind drives me crazy! > ****The desire for freedom is what allows for the movement that finally > ends in the realization that there is nobody to free. This may be the final > and most powerful desire that will be released at the moment of realization. > The problematic desires are the ones that keep the mind engaged with the > illusion, trying to get something that can never lead to fulfillment. > the movement you need is on your shoulder. use it to push this nonsense off. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Whos is there to awaken, if the teachings say we don't really exist? Maybe there isn't an answer to a question like that. > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > It's a question posed by a dream character, thinking it would benefit from the answer to it. > > > > > > Being awake, the question of a dream character has no relevance, no gain. > > > > > > Wait, let me go back into the dream I had last night about a hungry puppy, so I can give it a can of dog food I bought today ... > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > christ you're mixed up... > > > > but i see toombaru has at least lit a path for you. > > > > but danny.. > > > > don't mix levels. > > > > it's silly. > > > > .b b.b. > > all the levels are leveled. > > Dd. level with what? leveled to what? are you on the level? i don't think you can be. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Whos is there to awaken, if the teachings say we don't really exist? Maybe there isn't an answer to a question like that. > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > > > It's a question posed by a dream character, thinking it would benefit from the answer to it. > > > > > > > > Being awake, the question of a dream character has no relevance, no gain. > > > > > > > > Wait, let me go back into the dream I had last night about a hungry puppy, so I can give it a can of dog food I bought today ... > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > christ you're mixed up... > > > > > > but i see toombaru has at least lit a path for you. > > > > > > but danny.. > > > > > > don't mix levels. > > > > > > it's silly. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > all the levels are leveled. > > > > Dd. > > > > level with what? > > leveled to what? > > are you on the level? > > i don't think you can be. > > .b b.b. bye bobby. my time is up. my jig is up. everything's up. i'm at the bottom. bottom's up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Whos is there to awaken, if the teachings say we don't really exist? Maybe there isn't an answer to a question like that. > > > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > > > > > It's a question posed by a dream character, thinking it would benefit from the answer to it. > > > > > > > > > > Being awake, the question of a dream character has no relevance, no gain. > > > > > > > > > > Wait, let me go back into the dream I had last night about a hungry puppy, so I can give it a can of dog food I bought today ... > > > > > > > > > > -- D. > > > > > > > > > > > > christ you're mixed up... > > > > > > > > but i see toombaru has at least lit a path for you. > > > > > > > > but danny.. > > > > > > > > don't mix levels. > > > > > > > > it's silly. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > all the levels are leveled. > > > > > > Dd. > > > > > > > > level with what? > > > > leveled to what? > > > > are you on the level? > > > > i don't think you can be. > > > > .b b.b. > > > bye bobby. > > my time is up. > > my jig is up. > > everything's up. > > i'm at the bottom. > > bottom's up. here's to that. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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