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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote:

> >

> > Whos is there to awaken, if the teachings say we don't really exist? Maybe

there isn't an answer to a question like that.

>

> Indeed.

>

> It's a question posed by a dream character, thinking it would benefit from the

answer to it.

>

> Being awake, the question of a dream character has no relevance, no gain.

>

> Wait, let me go back into the dream I had last night about a hungry puppy, so

I can give it a can of dog food I bought today ...

>

> -- D.

 

 

christ you're mixed up...

 

but i see toombaru has at least lit a path for you.

 

but danny..

 

don't mix levels.

 

it's silly.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Whos is there to awaken, if the teachings say we don't really exist? Maybe

there isn't an answer to a question like that.

> >

> > Indeed.

> >

> > It's a question posed by a dream character, thinking it would benefit from

the answer to it.

> >

> > Being awake, the question of a dream character has no relevance, no gain.

> >

> > Wait, let me go back into the dream I had last night about a hungry puppy,

so I can give it a can of dog food I bought today ...

> >

> > -- D.

>

>

> christ you're mixed up...

>

> but i see toombaru has at least lit a path for you.

>

> but danny..

>

> don't mix levels.

>

> it's silly.

>

> .b b.b.

 

all the levels are leveled.

 

Dd.

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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

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> In a message dated 5/28/2009 7:38:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> hop_devil61 writes:

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> Not sure I follow these responses, but thanks. The crux of it is this. If

> we can only " be " who we are, and not experience who we are, then these

> excersizes are pointless, since there would be no goal to reach at all.

>

>

> ****Realization is a fine goal. It's true we're not seeking an experience,

> and realization is not an experience, but the realization of what's not so

> (primarilly the person imagined to be having the experience) radically

> changes the experience of what is happening.

Yes, I realize I'm answering my own question, in a sense. But the concept

> of 'realize' would seem to be meaningless. I mean, any experience would be

> 'not it', if I understand N's writings correctly. So, then, what is the

> point of the search? What is the point of he or anyone else pointing others

to

> this 'truth'.

>

>

>

> ****Realization is not meaningless, except to those eaten by the Neti-Neti

> monster.

>

>

> This is all very confusing, for sure!

>

> And Nisargadatta talked a lot about his absence of fear, worry, etc. These

> are wonderful things. But isn't the absense of something a recognition

> too? And if it's a recognition we are clinging to, doesn't THAT contradict

the

> teaching that we are to cling to nothing? Isn't that the same thing as

> clinging to something temporary?

>

>

>

>

> ***One does not cling to a realization. There's no need because it is not

> a concept, but a 'knowing'. You realize you have two feet, and there's no

> need for you to cling to the concept in order to reassure yourself it's true.

>

>

>

>

> He also said something about the desire to have no desire being a special

> desire, or words to that effect. So this ONE desire is okay?

> What does that say about all the statements that clearly state we should

> cling to nothing? The very words 'should' and 'must' imply a goal, something

> to be attained to, etc.

>

> Ah, my mind drives me crazy!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> ****The desire for freedom is what allows for the movement that finally

> ends in the realization that there is nobody to free. This may be the final

> and most powerful desire that will be released at the moment of realization.

> The problematic desires are the ones that keep the mind engaged with the

> illusion, trying to get something that can never lead to fulfillment.

>

 

 

the movement you need is on your shoulder.

 

use it to push this nonsense off.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Whos is there to awaken, if the teachings say we don't really exist?

Maybe there isn't an answer to a question like that.

> > >

> > > Indeed.

> > >

> > > It's a question posed by a dream character, thinking it would benefit from

the answer to it.

> > >

> > > Being awake, the question of a dream character has no relevance, no gain.

> > >

> > > Wait, let me go back into the dream I had last night about a hungry puppy,

so I can give it a can of dog food I bought today ...

> > >

> > > -- D.

> >

> >

> > christ you're mixed up...

> >

> > but i see toombaru has at least lit a path for you.

> >

> > but danny..

> >

> > don't mix levels.

> >

> > it's silly.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> all the levels are leveled.

>

> Dd.

 

 

 

level with what?

 

leveled to what?

 

are you on the level?

 

i don't think you can be.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Whos is there to awaken, if the teachings say we don't really exist?

Maybe there isn't an answer to a question like that.

> > > >

> > > > Indeed.

> > > >

> > > > It's a question posed by a dream character, thinking it would benefit

from the answer to it.

> > > >

> > > > Being awake, the question of a dream character has no relevance, no

gain.

> > > >

> > > > Wait, let me go back into the dream I had last night about a hungry

puppy, so I can give it a can of dog food I bought today ...

> > > >

> > > > -- D.

> > >

> > >

> > > christ you're mixed up...

> > >

> > > but i see toombaru has at least lit a path for you.

> > >

> > > but danny..

> > >

> > > don't mix levels.

> > >

> > > it's silly.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> >

> > all the levels are leveled.

> >

> > Dd.

>

>

>

> level with what?

>

> leveled to what?

>

> are you on the level?

>

> i don't think you can be.

>

> .b b.b.

 

 

bye bobby.

 

my time is up.

 

my jig is up.

 

everything's up.

 

i'm at the bottom.

 

bottom's up.

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Whos is there to awaken, if the teachings say we don't really exist?

Maybe there isn't an answer to a question like that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Indeed.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's a question posed by a dream character, thinking it would benefit

from the answer to it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Being awake, the question of a dream character has no relevance, no

gain.

> > > > >

> > > > > Wait, let me go back into the dream I had last night about a hungry

puppy, so I can give it a can of dog food I bought today ...

> > > > >

> > > > > -- D.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > christ you're mixed up...

> > > >

> > > > but i see toombaru has at least lit a path for you.

> > > >

> > > > but danny..

> > > >

> > > > don't mix levels.

> > > >

> > > > it's silly.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > > all the levels are leveled.

> > >

> > > Dd.

> >

> >

> >

> > level with what?

> >

> > leveled to what?

> >

> > are you on the level?

> >

> > i don't think you can be.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

>

> bye bobby.

>

> my time is up.

>

> my jig is up.

>

> everything's up.

>

> i'm at the bottom.

>

> bottom's up.

 

 

here's to that.

 

..b b.b.

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