Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 " If there is a state where the soul can find a resting-place secure enough to establish itself and concentrate its entire being there, with no need to remember the past or reach into the future, where time is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but this duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time, and no other feeling of deprivation or enjoyment, pleasure or pain, desire or fear than the simple feeling of existence, a feeling that fills our soul entirely, as long as this state lasts, we can call ourselves happy, not with a poor, incomplete and relative happiness such as we find in the pleasures of life, but with a sufficient, complete and perfect happiness which leaves no emptiness to be filled in the soul. " Jean-Jacques Rousseau in " Reveries of a Solitary Walker. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 " If there is a state where the soul can find a resting-place secure enough to establish itself and concentrate its entire being there, with no need to remember the past or reach into the future, where time is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but this duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time, and no other feeling of deprivation or enjoyment, pleasure or pain, desire or fear than the simple feeling of existence, a feeling that fills our soul entirely, as long as this state lasts, we can call ourselves happy, not with a poor, incomplete and relative happiness such as we find in the pleasures of life, but with a sufficient, complete and perfect happiness which leaves no emptiness to be filled in the soul. " Jean-Jacques Rousseau in " Reveries of a Solitary Walker. " ==== " ...where time is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but this duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time... " and then " as long as this state lasts " So...to me this is all onceptual. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 29/5/2009 07:26:28 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > " If there is a state where the soul can find a resting-place secure > enough to establish itself and concentrate its entire being there, > with no need to remember the past or reach into the future, where time > is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but this > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time, and no > other feeling of deprivation or enjoyment, pleasure or pain, desire or > fear than the simple feeling of existence, a feeling that fills our > soul entirely, as long as this state lasts, we can call ourselves > happy, not with a poor, incomplete and relative happiness such as we > find in the pleasures of life, but with a sufficient, complete and > perfect happiness which leaves no emptiness to be filled in the soul. " > > Jean-Jacques Rousseau in " Reveries of a Solitary Walker. " > Nitrous oxide will do that. The " soul of man " evolved to look for happiness.....not find it. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: " If there is a state where the soul can find a resting-place secure > enough to establish itself and concentrate its entire being there, > with no need to remember the past or reach into the future, where time > is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but this > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time, and no > other feeling of deprivation or enjoyment, pleasure or pain, desire or > fear than the simple feeling of existence, a feeling that fills our > soul entirely, as long as this state lasts, we can call ourselves > happy, not with a poor, incomplete and relative happiness such as we > find in the pleasures of life, but with a sufficient, complete and > perfect happiness which leaves no emptiness to be filled in the soul. " > > Jean-Jacques Rousseau in " Reveries of a Solitary Walker. " > > ==== > " ...where time is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but > this > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time... " > > and then > > > " as long as this state lasts " > > So...to me this is all onceptual. > -geo- > > > > > What isn't conceptual to you? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > " If there is a state where the soul can find a resting-place secure > enough to establish itself and concentrate its entire being there, > with no need to remember the past or reach into the future, where time > is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but this > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time, and no > other feeling of deprivation or enjoyment, pleasure or pain, desire or > fear than the simple feeling of existence, a feeling that fills our > soul entirely, as long as this state lasts, we can call ourselves > happy, not with a poor, incomplete and relative happiness such as we > find in the pleasures of life, but with a sufficient, complete and > perfect happiness which leaves no emptiness to be filled in the soul. " > > Jean-Jacques Rousseau in " Reveries of a Solitary Walker. " well-said Jean-Jacques. solitary walking ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: " If there is a state where the soul can find a resting-place secure > enough to establish itself and concentrate its entire being there, > with no need to remember the past or reach into the future, where time > is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but this > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time, and no > other feeling of deprivation or enjoyment, pleasure or pain, desire or > fear than the simple feeling of existence, a feeling that fills our > soul entirely, as long as this state lasts, we can call ourselves > happy, not with a poor, incomplete and relative happiness such as we > find in the pleasures of life, but with a sufficient, complete and > perfect happiness which leaves no emptiness to be filled in the soul. " > > Jean-Jacques Rousseau in " Reveries of a Solitary Walker. " > > ==== > " ...where time is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but > this > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time... " > > and then > > > " as long as this state lasts " > > So...to me this is all onceptual. > -geo- living beyond concepts ... what is this exchange to me? what is it that can be commented upon, other than comments? ..d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > " If there is a state where the soul can find a resting-place secure > > enough to establish itself and concentrate its entire being there, > > with no need to remember the past or reach into the future, where time > > is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but this > > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time, and no > > other feeling of deprivation or enjoyment, pleasure or pain, desire or > > fear than the simple feeling of existence, a feeling that fills our > > soul entirely, as long as this state lasts, we can call ourselves > > happy, not with a poor, incomplete and relative happiness such as we > > find in the pleasures of life, but with a sufficient, complete and > > perfect happiness which leaves no emptiness to be filled in the soul. " > > > > Jean-Jacques Rousseau in " Reveries of a Solitary Walker. " > Nitrous oxide will do that. > > > > The " soul of man " evolved to look for happiness.....not find it. > > > toombaru > Toomb, The question of Rousseau was if there is a state where... and it wast not if is there is a means or a way of living or whatever else to achieve happiness. Now a question to you, Toomb. Why was Rosseaus text posted to a Maharaj forum ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > " If there is a state where the soul can find a resting-place secure > > > enough to establish itself and concentrate its entire being there, > > > with no need to remember the past or reach into the future, where time > > > is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but this > > > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time, and no > > > other feeling of deprivation or enjoyment, pleasure or pain, desire or > > > fear than the simple feeling of existence, a feeling that fills our > > > soul entirely, as long as this state lasts, we can call ourselves > > > happy, not with a poor, incomplete and relative happiness such as we > > > find in the pleasures of life, but with a sufficient, complete and > > > perfect happiness which leaves no emptiness to be filled in the soul. " > > > > > > Jean-Jacques Rousseau in " Reveries of a Solitary Walker. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nitrous oxide will do that. > > > > > > > > The " soul of man " evolved to look for happiness.....not find it. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Toomb, > > The question of Rousseau was if there is a state where... > > and it wast not if is there is a means or a way of living or whatever else to achieve happiness. > > Now a question to you, Toomb. Why was Rosseaus text posted to a Maharaj forum ? > > Werner > To contrast the quest for happiness with the non-dual realization of there being no such thing. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > " If there is a state where the soul can find a resting-place secure > > > > enough to establish itself and concentrate its entire being there, > > > > with no need to remember the past or reach into the future, where time > > > > is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but this > > > > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time, and no > > > > other feeling of deprivation or enjoyment, pleasure or pain, desire or > > > > fear than the simple feeling of existence, a feeling that fills our > > > > soul entirely, as long as this state lasts, we can call ourselves > > > > happy, not with a poor, incomplete and relative happiness such as we > > > > find in the pleasures of life, but with a sufficient, complete and > > > > perfect happiness which leaves no emptiness to be filled in the soul. " > > > > > > > > Jean-Jacques Rousseau in " Reveries of a Solitary Walker. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nitrous oxide will do that. > > > > > > > > > > > > The " soul of man " evolved to look for happiness.....not find it. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Toomb, > > > > The question of Rousseau was if there is a state where... > > > > and it wast not if is there is a means or a way of living or whatever else to achieve happiness. > > > > Now a question to you, Toomb. Why was Rosseaus text posted to a Maharaj forum ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > To contrast the quest for happiness with the non-dual realization of there being no such thing. > > > > > toombaru that's good. what's even better.. you understood what the hell wernie was asking. that's great! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 In a message dated 5/29/2009 12:47:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > What isn't conceptual to you?> > toombaru> > I think that is easy. Not to see the mind objects and memory objects as > such. It is so simple really. One thing is the present sense inputs, and > other is present memory inputs. If you confuse the later for the former.> -geo->Where is this 'you" in which confusion is possible?toombaru ****I think it's sitting in one of Dan's chairs. Denying that confusion happens is just more confusion. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 In a message dated 5/29/2009 1:47:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > > > In a message dated 5/29/2009 12:47:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes:> > > What isn't conceptual to you?> > > > toombaru> > > > I think that is easy. Not to see the mind objects and memory objects as > > such. It is so simple really. One thing is the present sense inputs, and > > other is present memory inputs. If you confuse the later for the former.> > -geo-> >> > > > Where is this 'you" in which confusion is possible?> > > > toombaru> > > ****I think it's sitting in one of Dan's chairs. > Denying that confusion happens is just more confusion.> > > The problem lies in the label "confusion".The mind labels its misunderstanding and then believes that the label is the thing.In truth.....there is no such thing as confusion.When the water in a mirage is seen as light waves the "confusion" is no more.toombaru ****In that case, misunderstanding and confusion are synonyms. To declare one and dismiss the other adds confusion and is just another word game. We found the real 'Hotel California' and the 'Seinfeld' diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Friday, May 29, 2009 11:46 AM Re: Happiness Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: " If there is a state where the soul can find a resting-place secure > enough to establish itself and concentrate its entire being there, > with no need to remember the past or reach into the future, where time > is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but this > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time, and no > other feeling of deprivation or enjoyment, pleasure or pain, desire or > fear than the simple feeling of existence, a feeling that fills our > soul entirely, as long as this state lasts, we can call ourselves > happy, not with a poor, incomplete and relative happiness such as we > find in the pleasures of life, but with a sufficient, complete and > perfect happiness which leaves no emptiness to be filled in the soul. " > > Jean-Jacques Rousseau in " Reveries of a Solitary Walker. " > > ==== > " ...where time is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely > but > this > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time... " > > and then > > > " as long as this state lasts " > > So...to me this is all onceptual. > -geo- > > > > > What isn't conceptual to you? toombaru I think that is easy. Not to see the mind objects and memory objects as such. It is so simple really. One thing is the present sense inputs, and other is present memory inputs. If you confuse the later for the former. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > " If there is a state where the soul can find a resting-place secure > enough to establish itself and concentrate its entire being there, > with no need to remember the past or reach into the future, where time > is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but this > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time, and no > other feeling of deprivation or enjoyment, pleasure or pain, desire or > fear than the simple feeling of existence, a feeling that fills our > soul entirely, as long as this state lasts, we can call ourselves > happy, not with a poor, incomplete and relative happiness such as we > find in the pleasures of life, but with a sufficient, complete and > perfect happiness which leaves no emptiness to be filled in the soul. " > > Jean-Jacques Rousseau in " Reveries of a Solitary Walker. " > Lovely Werner, thank you for posting it. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 29, 2009 11:46 AM > Re: Happiness > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If there is a state where the soul can find a resting-place secure > > enough to establish itself and concentrate its entire being there, > > with no need to remember the past or reach into the future, where time > > is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but this > > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time, and no > > other feeling of deprivation or enjoyment, pleasure or pain, desire or > > fear than the simple feeling of existence, a feeling that fills our > > soul entirely, as long as this state lasts, we can call ourselves > > happy, not with a poor, incomplete and relative happiness such as we > > find in the pleasures of life, but with a sufficient, complete and > > perfect happiness which leaves no emptiness to be filled in the soul. " > > > > Jean-Jacques Rousseau in " Reveries of a Solitary Walker. " > > > > ==== > > " ...where time is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely > > but > > this > > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time... " > > > > and then > > > > > > " as long as this state lasts " > > > > So...to me this is all onceptual. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > What isn't conceptual to you? > > toombaru > > I think that is easy. Not to see the mind objects and memory objects as > such. It is so simple really. One thing is the present sense inputs, and > other is present memory inputs. If you confuse the later for the former. > -geo- > Where is this 'you " in which confusion is possible? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Friday, May 29, 2009 4:47 PM Re: Happiness Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 29, 2009 11:46 AM > Re: Happiness > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If there is a state where the soul can find a resting-place secure > > enough to establish itself and concentrate its entire being there, > > with no need to remember the past or reach into the future, where time > > is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely but this > > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time, and no > > other feeling of deprivation or enjoyment, pleasure or pain, desire or > > fear than the simple feeling of existence, a feeling that fills our > > soul entirely, as long as this state lasts, we can call ourselves > > happy, not with a poor, incomplete and relative happiness such as we > > find in the pleasures of life, but with a sufficient, complete and > > perfect happiness which leaves no emptiness to be filled in the soul. " > > > > Jean-Jacques Rousseau in " Reveries of a Solitary Walker. " > > > > ==== > > " ...where time is nothing to it, where the present runs on indefinitely > > but > > this > > duration goes unnoticed, with no sign of the passing of time... " > > > > and then > > > > > > " as long as this state lasts " > > > > So...to me this is all onceptual. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > What isn't conceptual to you? > > toombaru > > I think that is easy. Not to see the mind objects and memory objects as > such. It is so simple really. One thing is the present sense inputs, and > other is present memory inputs. If you confuse the later for the former. > -geo- > Where is this 'you " in which confusion is possible? toombaru That is easy. The confusing one for the other -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/29/2009 12:47:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > What isn't conceptual to you? > > > > toombaru > > > > I think that is easy. Not to see the mind objects and memory objects as > > such. It is so simple really. One thing is the present sense inputs, and > > other is present memory inputs. If you confuse the later for the former. > > -geo- > > > > > > Where is this 'you " in which confusion is possible? > > > > toombaru > > > ****I think it's sitting in one of Dan's chairs. > Denying that confusion happens is just more confusion. > > > The problem lies in the label " confusion " . The mind labels its misunderstanding and then believes that the label is the thing. In truth.....there is no such thing as confusion. When the water in a mirage is seen as light waves the " confusion " is no more. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 5/29/2009 12:47:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > > What isn't conceptual to you? > > > > toombaru > > > > I think that is easy. Not to see the mind objects and memory objects as > > such. It is so simple really. One thing is the present sense inputs, and > > other is present memory inputs. If you confuse the later for the former. > > -geo- > > > > > > Where is this 'you " in which confusion is possible? > > > > toombaru > > > ****I think it's sitting in one of Dan's chairs. > Denying that confusion happens is just more confusion. toombaru.. he's lost. he thinks he's found unconfusion.. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > ****In that case, misunderstanding and confusion are synonyms. To > declare > one and dismiss the other adds confusion and is just another word > game. It's all a word game. Why not dismiss it all? You believe to have some hidden 'blind spots', and this belief is your blind spot. What doesn't exist now, doesn't exist. There is nothing sitting in some future, waiting to be found. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > ****In that case, misunderstanding and confusion are synonyms. To > > declare > > one and dismiss the other adds confusion and is just another word > > game. > > It's all a word game. Why not dismiss it all? > > You believe to have some hidden 'blind spots', and this belief is your blind spot. What doesn't exist now, doesn't exist. There is nothing sitting in some future, waiting to be found. Period. you think you have some insight. and that false insight is your blind spot. actually..it's a whole lot bigger than a spot. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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