Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I will want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do not know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am unable to see it one way, all the time. May God help me. I am so lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61 wrote: > > At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I will want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do not know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am unable to see it one way, all the time. > > May God help me. I am so lost. > When you are confused then you are confused, what else ? You are that confusion. The wish no longer to be confused has its root in confusion and therefore is part of confusion. You are that confusion. Stick to confusion, don't fight and and don't try to get out. Stay with it and don't move away from it. Intelligence will find its own way to deal with it but not you who is confusion. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I will want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do not know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am unable to see it one way, all the time. > > > > May God help me. I am so lost. > > > > > When you are confused then you are confused, what else ? > > You are that confusion. > > The wish no longer to be confused has its root in confusion and therefore is part of confusion. You are that confusion. > > Stick to confusion, don't fight and and don't try to get out. Stay with it and don't move away from it. Intelligence will find its own way to deal with it but not you who is confusion. > > Werner " who " is supposed to stick with confusion? confusion itself? how could it do anything BUT stick to itself? Intelligence sure as hell hasn't found you wernie. try pulling yourself up by the skin of your left foot. oh..that's the one on the other side of your left foot wern. i don't assume you understood because i know you don't. ...now don't pull yourself up too high. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61 wrote: > > At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I will want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do not know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am unable to see it one way, all the time. > > May God help me. I am so lost. you can neither " embrace " advaita nor worship god. nothing nor anyone can " help " " you " for one simple reason. ..b b.b. p.s. and whatever you do do not listen to werner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I will want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do not know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am unable to see it one way, all the time. > > > > May God help me. I am so lost. > > > you can neither " embrace " advaita nor worship god. > > nothing nor anyone can " help " " you " > > for one simple reason. > > .b b.b. > > p.s. > > and whatever you do do not listen to werner. > Is there anything other than the reality we each experience and the feelings we associate (with)? The *practice* of living in advaita, as nondual life itself is easily missed when looking for something else. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 - Victor Adams Nisargadatta Saturday, May 30, 2009 9:09 AM Angst At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I will want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do not know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am unable to see it one way, all the time. May God help me. I am so lost. geo>Just a bit further. Seems you havent seen it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > > > At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I will want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do not know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am unable to see it one way, all the time. > > > > > > May God help me. I am so lost. > > > > > > you can neither " embrace " advaita nor worship god. > > > > nothing nor anyone can " help " " you " > > > > for one simple reason. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > p.s. > > > > and whatever you do do not listen to werner. > > > > > > Is there anything other than the reality we each experience > and the feelings we associate (with)? > > The *practice* of living in advaita, as nondual life itself > is easily missed when looking for something else. > > ~A who can possible " miss " nondual life? if something..anything..is missed.. it ain't nondual. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > > > > > At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I will want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do not know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am unable to see it one way, all the time. > > > > > > > > May God help me. I am so lost. > > > > > > > > > you can neither " embrace " advaita nor worship god. > > > > > > nothing nor anyone can " help " " you " > > > > > > for one simple reason. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > p.s. > > > > > > and whatever you do do not listen to werner. > > > > > > > > > > > Is there anything other than the reality we each experience > > and the feelings we associate (with)? > > > > The *practice* of living in advaita, as nondual life itself > > is easily missed when looking for something else. > > > > ~A > > > who can possible " miss " nondual life? > > if something..anything..is missed.. > > it ain't nondual. > > .b b.b. > We all *miss* it from time to time .b b.b.... We all get complacent, wanting to *hold on*. Nondual life is a flowing river, and we can't step into the same river twice. Precisely because we are the river. Love. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I will want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do not know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am unable to see it one way, all the time. > > > > > > > > > > May God help me. I am so lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > you can neither " embrace " advaita nor worship god. > > > > > > > > nothing nor anyone can " help " " you " > > > > > > > > for one simple reason. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > p.s. > > > > > > > > and whatever you do do not listen to werner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there anything other than the reality we each experience > > > and the feelings we associate (with)? > > > > > > The *practice* of living in advaita, as nondual life itself > > > is easily missed when looking for something else. > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > who can possible " miss " nondual life? > > > > if something..anything..is missed.. > > > > it ain't nondual. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > We all *miss* it from time to time .b b.b.... > > We all get complacent, wanting to *hold on*. > > Nondual life is a flowing river, and we can't step > into the same river twice. Precisely because we > are the river. > > Love. > > ~A we? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I will want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do not know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am unable to see it one way, all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > May God help me. I am so lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can neither " embrace " advaita nor worship god. > > > > > > > > > > nothing nor anyone can " help " " you " > > > > > > > > > > for one simple reason. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > p.s. > > > > > > > > > > and whatever you do do not listen to werner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there anything other than the reality we each experience > > > > and the feelings we associate (with)? > > > > > > > > The *practice* of living in advaita, as nondual life itself > > > > is easily missed when looking for something else. > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > who can possible " miss " nondual life? > > > > > > if something..anything..is missed.. > > > > > > it ain't nondual. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all *miss* it from time to time .b b.b.... > > > > We all get complacent, wanting to *hold on*. > > > > Nondual life is a flowing river, and we can't step > > into the same river twice. Precisely because we > > are the river. > > > > Love. > > > > ~A > > > we? > > .b b.b. > I Am is the I that is We. k? ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61 wrote: > > At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I will want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do not know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am unable to see it one way, all the time. > > May God help me. I am so lost. > That's a good place to start. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:42 AM Re: Angst Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61 wrote: > > At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I will > want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do not > know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments > arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but > confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am > unable to see it one way, all the time. > > May God help me. I am so lost. > That's a good place to start. toombaru In fact its as close as you can get to the end. A hair width. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I will want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do not know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am unable to see it one way, all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May God help me. I am so lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can neither " embrace " advaita nor worship god. > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing nor anyone can " help " " you " > > > > > > > > > > > > for one simple reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > p.s. > > > > > > > > > > > > and whatever you do do not listen to werner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there anything other than the reality we each experience > > > > > and the feelings we associate (with)? > > > > > > > > > > The *practice* of living in advaita, as nondual life itself > > > > > is easily missed when looking for something else. > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > who can possible " miss " nondual life? > > > > > > > > if something..anything..is missed.. > > > > > > > > it ain't nondual. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all *miss* it from time to time .b b.b.... > > > > > > We all get complacent, wanting to *hold on*. > > > > > > Nondual life is a flowing river, and we can't step > > > into the same river twice. Precisely because we > > > are the river. > > > > > > Love. > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > we? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > I Am is the I that is We. > > k? > > ~A I..not. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:42 AM > Re: Angst > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I will > > want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do not > > know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments > > arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but > > confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am > > unable to see it one way, all the time. > > > > May God help me. I am so lost. > > > > That's a good place to start. > > toombaru > > In fact its as close as you can get to the end. A hair width. > -geo- > Just one thought away. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:18 PM Re: Angst Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:42 AM > Re: Angst > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I > > will > > want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do > > not > > know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments > > arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but > > confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am > > unable to see it one way, all the time. > > > > May God help me. I am so lost. > > > > That's a good place to start. > > toombaru > > In fact its as close as you can get to the end. A hair width. > -geo- > Just one thought away. toombaru Indeed. A thought away. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:18 PM > Re: Angst > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:42 AM > > Re: Angst > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > > > At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I > > > will > > > want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do > > > not > > > know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments > > > arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but > > > confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am > > > unable to see it one way, all the time. > > > > > > May God help me. I am so lost. > > > > > > > That's a good place to start. > > > > toombaru > > > > In fact its as close as you can get to the end. A hair width. > > -geo- > > > > Just one thought away. > > toombaru > > Indeed. A thought away. > -geo- that's my thought too. is that the same thought that's the one thought away? oops..damn i just had another thought. ok..it's two thoughts away NOW. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:18 PM > Re: Angst > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:42 AM > > Re: Angst > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Victor Adams " <hop_devil61@> wrote: > > > > > > At this hour, I want to embrace the advaita teachings. By afternoon I > > > will > > > want to fall on my knees and be a good Christian, in some sense. I do > > > not > > > know what is true and what is not. Logic is great, but when some moments > > > arrive, it seems sterile and empty. I fear I will never be anything but > > > confused. The thoughts and world views change so often for me, and i am > > > unable to see it one way, all the time. > > > > > > May God help me. I am so lost. > > > > > > > That's a good place to start. > > > > toombaru > > > > In fact its as close as you can get to the end. A hair width. > > -geo- > > > > Just one thought away. > > toombaru > > Indeed. A thought away. > -geo- that's my thought too. is that the same thought that's the one thought away? oops..damn i just had another thought. ok..it's two thoughts away NOW. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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