Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > i'm the cream in my coffee.. > > i'm the salt in my stew.. > > i will always be my necessity.. > > I'd be lost without me. > > i'm the starch in my collar.. > > i'm the lace in my shoe.. > > i will always be my necessity.. > > i'd be lost without me. > > most would tell love tails.. > > and each phrase dovetails. > > i've heard each known way.. > > this way is my own way. > > i'm the sail of my love boat.. > > i'm the captain and crew.. > > i will always be my necessity.. > > i'd be lost without me. > > i give life savor.. > > bring out its flavor.. > > so this is clear..dear.. > > i'm my worcestershire..dear. > > .b b.b. I ask, who are YOU?? You ask, who is ME! I say, f*ck YOU! You say, f*ck ME! Or, I say " I love YOU! " Or you say you love ME. And when I abandoned YOU, You abandoned ME. And that, my friends, is non-du-a-li-ty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Words reach a limit. > > > > > > > > Indeed. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Words are the limit, and their dissolution is the limitless. > > > > I like the way you put this. > > > > And words can be used with this understanding, that they are > > dissolved in use. > > I don't like the way you put this (chuckling)... words aren't 'used', with any understanding. Words 'arise', if you like, with no one separate to be using them. Well, pardon me. I didn't see your nondual police officer badge, or I would have been more careful. > > Like writing images in running water, as some sage or other once > > said. > > Not only words. Everything. Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > And words can be used with this understanding, that they are > > > dissolved in use. > > > > I don't like the way you put this (chuckling)... words aren't 'used', with any understanding. Words 'arise', if you like, with no one separate to be using them. > > Well, pardon me. I didn't see your nondual police officer badge, > or I would have been more careful. I like the way you put that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what goes around comes around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-). > > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, > > > > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the > > > > > > > > senses > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > objects. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation negated ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is. > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > D: > > > > > > > > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the > > > > > experiencing. > > > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory. > > > > > > > > > > This timeless moment, undivided. > > > > > > > > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing. > > > > > > > > > > Never has been commented upon. > > > > > > > > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or > > > > > referred > > > > > to. > > > > > I did not say a thing. > > > > > > > > D: Good point, thanks for clarifying. > > > > > > > > geo> What did I clarify? > > > > > > D: What you didn't say. > > > > > > geo>The statement " The potentiality of all possibilities was never > > > named, > > > or > > > referred to. I did not say a thing. " is not referring to anything I > > > wrote > > > before. It is a stand-alone thing. > > > > > > The thing is: either one decides not to name it or even referr to it, or > > > yes. Once one decides that yes...then any word will not do the job > > > anyway...so, in fact it doesnt matter much which name one uses. It can > > > be > > > THAT or ISNESS or " The potentiality of all possibilities " or " the never > > > named " even " I " - like in " I am not consciousness " . > > > > D: Thanks for the further clarification. Yes, I had this sense of what you > > were saying. Your comments make it more clear. > > > > One uses a name for the sake of conversing, for the sake of expressing. > > > > Because of the way that words work, one who hears what is said may > > mistakenly think that because naming was employed, a quality of being is > > referred to, or a state of consciousness is being referred to. > > > > Then, this can be personalized, such as, " Joe X has more of this quality > > of > > being than Sid Y, " or " Sally M is in this state of consciousness, and Mary > > R > > isn't. " > > > > - D - > > > > Or... " he thinks he has more silent knowledge then that other, or me " . The > > problem is always the same afer a certain point: all becomes impersonal > > and > > a personality interfers in that. There is nothing personal in the > > universe, > > all is universal, impersonal. BTW, the " interpretation as personal " is a > > measure that eventualy points to the point where mutual understanding has > > stoped. Unfortunately or not...only the impersonal side can see it. > > -geo- > > D: Yes. Either the personality structure (line of memories and self-feeling > of existence forming " I " )is being used as the attempted basis for existing > and knowing, or it isn't being used that way. > > " You can't serve two masters. " > > Although I don't think it's personality that interferes. Personalities > actually form in an impersonal way. Like you said, everything in the > universe is impersonal (including personalities). > > The interference is the attempt to use a personal center as the mode for > knowing/being. If that attempt isn't being made, personalities do whatever > they do. They aren't anchoring being, and never have actually done that. > > " Let the dead (beings centered in a memory line) bury their dead. " > > - D - > > Yes, but now there is the issue of personality :>) > To me, personality is always " unconscious " - so it is a set of conditionings > formed around the inner sense of entity. The root of the word is " person " - > persona. When the inner sense of entity is absent there is control over the > way one reacts/acts in relations. Nomenclature. > -geo- Who is the controller, and what is the controlled? Is one separately existing, apart from the other? - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > When the inner sense of entity is absent there is control over the > > way one reacts/acts in relations. > > " You wish " ;-). The sense of an inner entity -- what is that except for an assumed division between awareness (in here) and the object of awareness (out there)? With no assumed division between awareness and an object, how would there be a separated controller, trying to make relations occur in a certain way? And to whom would it matter? - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Who is the controller, and what is the controlled? > > Is one separately existing, apart from the other? > > - D - The question is the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM > > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > geo > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > geo > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what goes around comes around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.? > > > > > > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > objects. > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation negated ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is. > > > > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise. > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the experiencing. > > > > > > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This timeless moment, undivided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never has been commented upon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred to. > > > > > > > > I did not say a thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you guys claim this is not a word game? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i'm so clever for telling you that.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so that you can think that i know something you don't know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way beyond your powers of thought or belief.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to fucking bad about your luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm THERE though and that's what matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > woo hoo! that tickles! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any other who could bow down and kiss anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > Expressing words about this does no harm. > > > > > > > > > > > > Imputing motivations to others who post seems like a waste of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy being here with no other involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i enjoy being here. > > > > > > > > > > what's your problem? > > > > > > > > > > you're wasting your time. > > > > > > > > > > how can motivations be imputed one of another? > > > > > > > > > > what is is. > > > > > > > > > > it ain't two. > > > > > > > > > > you like to judge. > > > > > > > > > > you set up the two. > > > > > > > > > > you put a break in enjoying. > > > > > > > > > > no matter. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > I enjoy wasting time. > > > > > > > > And you - have some sympathy and some taste. > > > > > > > > Or I'll lay this time to waste. > > > > > > > > As there's no you to judge, there's no break in being. > > > > > > > > Being is - not placing enjoyment against disgust. > > > > > > > > Therefore, I remain quite disgusted with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > > > besides... > > > > > > who the fuck do you think gives a monkey's ass? > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > a monkey. > > > > - d - > > > the monkey gives his ass? > > to who and what the fuck for? > > .b b.b. I don't know. But here's his picture: http://tremendousnews.com/2009/05/20/the-solution-how-lessons-from-the-bare-asse\ d-monkey-can-help-us-end-obesity/ - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > geo > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 2:21 PM > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:58 PM > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > geo > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > geo > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there > > > > > > > > > > either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM > > > > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what goes around comes around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-). > > > > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.? > > > > > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > objects. > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation negated ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is. > > > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise. > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the > > > > > > > experiencing. > > > > > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This timeless moment, undivided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never has been commented upon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred > > > > > > > to. > > > > > > > I did not say a thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > D: Good point, thanks for clarifying. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> What did I clarify? > > > > > > > > > > D: What you didn't say. > > > > > > > > > > geo>The statement " The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or > > > > > referred to. I did not say a thing. " is not referring to anything I wrote > > > > > before. It is a stand-alone thing. > > > > > > > > > > The thing is: either one decides not to name it or even referr to it, or > > > > > yes. Once one decides that yes...then any word will not do the job > > > > > anyway...so, in fact it doesnt matter much which name one uses. It can be > > > > > THAT or ISNESS or " The potentiality of all possibilities " or " the never > > > > > named " even " I " - like in " I am not consciousness " . > > > > > > > > D: Thanks for the further clarification. Yes, I had this sense of what you were saying. Your comments make it more clear. > > > > > > > > One uses a name for the sake of conversing, for the sake of expressing. > > > > > > > > Because of the way that words work, one who hears what is said may mistakenly think that because naming was employed, a quality of being is referred to, or a state of consciousness is being referred to. > > > > > > > > Then, this can be personalized, such as, " Joe X has more of this quality of being than Sid Y, " or " Sally M is in this state of consciousness, and Mary R isn't. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > words don't " work " n any specified way. > > > > > > " you " work the words. > > > > > > why do you work them that way? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > one puts words out there, but how they are heard may have little to do with how they were put out there. > > > > one does one's best to be clear, and that is all one can do. > > > > words are given meaning by association with past experience and images from memory. > > > > words evoke images. > > > > or they don't. > > > > - D - > > > all one can do is laugh. > > or not. > > .b b.b. all one can do is rot, or not. - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Who is the controller, and what is the controlled? > > > > Is one separately existing, apart from the other? > > > > - D - > > The question is the answer. Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > all one can do is laugh. > > > > or not. > > > > .b b.b. > > all one can do is rot, or not. > > - d - I tried to rot, but I couldn't even do that ;-). That's when I realized... I was the rot. Not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Monday, June 15, 2009 6:40 PM Re: it's not there or over there either. Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Monday, June 15, 2009 5:28 PM > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > geo > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there > > > > > either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > geo > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there > > > > > > either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what goes around comes around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-). > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.? > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses > > > > > > with > > > > > > its > > > > > > objects. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known. > > > > > > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing. > > > > > > > > > > Negation negated ... > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is. > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > D: > > > > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the > > > experiencing. > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory. > > > > > > This timeless moment, undivided. > > > > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing. > > > > > > Never has been commented upon. > > > > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or > > > referred > > > to. > > > I did not say a thing. > > > > > > > and you guys claim this is not a word game? > > > > Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn. > > > > i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't there. > > > > and i'm so clever for telling you that.. > > > > so that you can think that i know something you don't know. > > > > and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and.. > > > > way beyond your powers of thought or belief.. > > > > or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell. > > > > to fucking bad about your luck. > > > > i'm THERE though and that's what matters. > > > > kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached. > > > > woo hoo! that tickles! > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Are you questioning the fact that a " ground " of being independent of > > consciousness IS? Or something else? > > -geo- > > as i don't believe in answers.. > > i have no questions. > > .b b.b. > > I dont believe in anything. > -geo- i don't believe you. ..b b.b. You better dont -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 15/6/2009 21:23:28 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Monday, June 15, 2009 7:31 PM Re: it's not there or over there either. Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what goes around comes around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-). > > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, > > > > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the > > > > > > > > senses > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > objects. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of > > > > > > > knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation negated ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is. > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > D: > > > > > > > > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the > > > > > experiencing. > > > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory. > > > > > > > > > > This timeless moment, undivided. > > > > > > > > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing. > > > > > > > > > > Never has been commented upon. > > > > > > > > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or > > > > > referred > > > > > to. > > > > > I did not say a thing. > > > > > > > > D: Good point, thanks for clarifying. > > > > > > > > geo> What did I clarify? > > > > > > D: What you didn't say. > > > > > > geo>The statement " The potentiality of all possibilities was never > > > named, > > > or > > > referred to. I did not say a thing. " is not referring to anything I > > > wrote > > > before. It is a stand-alone thing. > > > > > > The thing is: either one decides not to name it or even referr to it, > > > or > > > yes. Once one decides that yes...then any word will not do the job > > > anyway...so, in fact it doesnt matter much which name one uses. It can > > > be > > > THAT or ISNESS or " The potentiality of all possibilities " or " the > > > never > > > named " even " I " - like in " I am not consciousness " . > > > > D: Thanks for the further clarification. Yes, I had this sense of what > > you > > were saying. Your comments make it more clear. > > > > One uses a name for the sake of conversing, for the sake of expressing. > > > > Because of the way that words work, one who hears what is said may > > mistakenly think that because naming was employed, a quality of being is > > referred to, or a state of consciousness is being referred to. > > > > Then, this can be personalized, such as, " Joe X has more of this quality > > of > > being than Sid Y, " or " Sally M is in this state of consciousness, and > > Mary > > R > > isn't. " > > > > - D - > > > > Or... " he thinks he has more silent knowledge then that other, or me " . > > The > > problem is always the same afer a certain point: all becomes impersonal > > and > > a personality interfers in that. There is nothing personal in the > > universe, > > all is universal, impersonal. BTW, the " interpretation as personal " is a > > measure that eventualy points to the point where mutual understanding > > has > > stoped. Unfortunately or not...only the impersonal side can see it. > > -geo- > > D: Yes. Either the personality structure (line of memories and > self-feeling > of existence forming " I " )is being used as the attempted basis for existing > and knowing, or it isn't being used that way. > > " You can't serve two masters. " > > Although I don't think it's personality that interferes. Personalities > actually form in an impersonal way. Like you said, everything in the > universe is impersonal (including personalities). > > The interference is the attempt to use a personal center as the mode for > knowing/being. If that attempt isn't being made, personalities do whatever > they do. They aren't anchoring being, and never have actually done that. > > " Let the dead (beings centered in a memory line) bury their dead. " > > - D - > > Yes, but now there is the issue of personality :>) > To me, personality is always " unconscious " - so it is a set of > conditionings > formed around the inner sense of entity. The root of the word is > " person " - > persona. When the inner sense of entity is absent there is control over > the > way one reacts/acts in relations. Nomenclature. > -geo- Who is the controller, and what is the controlled? Is one separately existing, apart from the other? - D - When the center is there, it is the set of beliefs, through a sense of hurt to the image, false morality, self-defense or anger or fear or righteousness, etc... When there is clarity, when nothing is personal, no imagined center is involved, the organism uses its natural intelligence in relations. But this can not be taken as a statement or some conceptual elaboration. It is totaly obvious. A personality is able to do the most....you know...abominable things....Clarity not. -geo- avast! 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Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Monday, June 15, 2009 7:36 PM Re: it's not there or over there either. Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > When the inner sense of entity is absent there is control over the > > way one reacts/acts in relations. > > " You wish " ;-). The sense of an inner entity -- what is that except for an assumed division between awareness (in here) and the object of awareness (out there)? With no assumed division between awareness and an object, how would there be a separated controller, trying to make relations occur in a certain way? And to whom would it matter? - D - Exactly. That is why I said that there is no personality in clarity, without the image/self. What is is the organism that obviously causes impressions on people around you. To you there is no division, but to them aparently yes. You know that if you say the wrong words to the wrong person you get killed. If there is clarity you will try not say those wrong words. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 15/6/2009 21:23:32 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > You know that if you say the wrong words to the wrong person you get > killed. > If there is clarity you will try not say those wrong words. > -geo- If there is clarity, nobody is there to try anything or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 > > Who is the controller, and what is the controlled? > > Is one separately existing, apart from the other? > > - D - There is no separation -obviously. In human interactions, inteligence, rationality, clarity, perception of the whole field rules in one case, and prejudice, fear, anger in the other. The results are very different. Sense of separation engenders fear and violence and the one in clarity knows that. Is this not obvious/clear? What are wars, concentration camps,etc...? Could such events happen if the people involved acted guided by clarity? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Monday, June 15, 2009 10:02 PM Re: it's not there or over there either. Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > You know that if you say the wrong words to the wrong person you get > > killed. > If there is clarity you will try not say those wrong words. > -geo- If there is clarity, nobody is there to try anything or not. geo> Indeed. Only clarity, an organsim and the circumstances. Intelligence acts. Messages in this topic (227) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. MARKETPLACE How Many Triangles? 92.6% of Americans Fail this Question!. You have 1 New Message: Someone Challenges your IQ!. Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their families, for the world and for each other Change settings via the Web ( ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un Recent Activity 1New Members Visit Your Group Ads on Learn more now. Reach customers searching for you. Mental Health Zone Mental Health Learn More Stay healthy and discover other people who can help.. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 15/6/2009 22:07:53 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > If there is clarity, nobody is there to try anything or not. > > geo> Indeed. Only clarity, an organsim and the circumstances. > Intelligence acts. There's no need for 'the organism' either... it's in awareness (clarity), along with the entire situation, every thought, sight, smell, etc. In other words, 'the organism' need not be separated from the circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > geo > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > geo > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what goes around comes around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.? > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses with > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation negated ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is. > > > > > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise. > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the experiencing. > > > > > > > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This timeless moment, undivided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never has been commented upon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred to. > > > > > > > > > I did not say a thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and you guys claim this is not a word game? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i'm so clever for telling you that.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so that you can think that i know something you don't know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way beyond your powers of thought or belief.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to fucking bad about your luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm THERE though and that's what matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > woo hoo! that tickles! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any other who could bow down and kiss anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Expressing words about this does no harm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Imputing motivations to others who post seems like a waste of time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy being here with no other involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i enjoy being here. > > > > > > > > > > > > what's your problem? > > > > > > > > > > > > you're wasting your time. > > > > > > > > > > > > how can motivations be imputed one of another? > > > > > > > > > > > > what is is. > > > > > > > > > > > > it ain't two. > > > > > > > > > > > > you like to judge. > > > > > > > > > > > > you set up the two. > > > > > > > > > > > > you put a break in enjoying. > > > > > > > > > > > > no matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > I enjoy wasting time. > > > > > > > > > > And you - have some sympathy and some taste. > > > > > > > > > > Or I'll lay this time to waste. > > > > > > > > > > As there's no you to judge, there's no break in being. > > > > > > > > > > Being is - not placing enjoyment against disgust. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, I remain quite disgusted with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > > > > > besides... > > > > > > > > who the fuck do you think gives a monkey's ass? > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > a monkey. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > the monkey gives his ass? > > > > to who and what the fuck for? > > > > .b b.b. > > I don't know. > > But here's his picture: > > http://tremendousnews.com/2009/05/20/the-solution-how-lessons-from-the-bare-asse\ d-monkey-can-help-us-end-obesity/ > > - D - you have too much time on your hands. you need another hobby besides playtime guru. ask around. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > geo > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 2:21 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:58 PM > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:28 PM > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM > > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > geo > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > geo > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there > > > > > > > > > > > either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what goes around comes around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.? > > > > > > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > objects. > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation negated ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is. > > > > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise. > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the > > > > > > > > experiencing. > > > > > > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This timeless moment, undivided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never has been commented upon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or referred > > > > > > > > to. > > > > > > > > I did not say a thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D: Good point, thanks for clarifying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> What did I clarify? > > > > > > > > > > > > D: What you didn't say. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo>The statement " The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or > > > > > > referred to. I did not say a thing. " is not referring to anything I wrote > > > > > > before. It is a stand-alone thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > The thing is: either one decides not to name it or even referr to it, or > > > > > > yes. Once one decides that yes...then any word will not do the job > > > > > > anyway...so, in fact it doesnt matter much which name one uses. It can be > > > > > > THAT or ISNESS or " The potentiality of all possibilities " or " the never > > > > > > named " even " I " - like in " I am not consciousness " . > > > > > > > > > > D: Thanks for the further clarification. Yes, I had this sense of what you were saying. Your comments make it more clear. > > > > > > > > > > One uses a name for the sake of conversing, for the sake of expressing. > > > > > > > > > > Because of the way that words work, one who hears what is said may mistakenly think that because naming was employed, a quality of being is referred to, or a state of consciousness is being referred to. > > > > > > > > > > Then, this can be personalized, such as, " Joe X has more of this quality of being than Sid Y, " or " Sally M is in this state of consciousness, and Mary R isn't. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > words don't " work " n any specified way. > > > > > > > > " you " work the words. > > > > > > > > why do you work them that way? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > one puts words out there, but how they are heard may have little to do with how they were put out there. > > > > > > one does one's best to be clear, and that is all one can do. > > > > > > words are given meaning by association with past experience and images from memory. > > > > > > words evoke images. > > > > > > or they don't. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > all one can do is laugh. > > > > or not. > > > > .b b.b. > > all one can do is rot, or not. > > - d - that's what all fetid and doomed meat believes. does it comfort you in your condition? you'll get over it. just lose identity with what you feel is * " important " . (*that's " danny " for " you " ). then all that rot about rot will go away lost urchin. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Monday, June 15, 2009 6:40 PM > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, June 15, 2009 5:28 PM > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 1:29 PM > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 12:50 PM > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > geo > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Monday, June 15, 2009 8:18 AM > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there > > > > > > either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:53 PM > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > geo > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:55 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: it's not there or over there > > > > > > > either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20 AM > > > > > > > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what goes around comes around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-). > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc.? > > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the senses > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > objects. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation negated ... > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is. > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > D: > > > > > > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the > > > > experiencing. > > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory. > > > > > > > > This timeless moment, undivided. > > > > > > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing. > > > > > > > > Never has been commented upon. > > > > > > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or > > > > referred > > > > to. > > > > I did not say a thing. > > > > > > > > > > and you guys claim this is not a word game? > > > > > > Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn. > > > > > > i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't there. > > > > > > and i'm so clever for telling you that.. > > > > > > so that you can think that i know something you don't know. > > > > > > and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and.. > > > > > > way beyond your powers of thought or belief.. > > > > > > or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell. > > > > > > to fucking bad about your luck. > > > > > > i'm THERE though and that's what matters. > > > > > > kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached. > > > > > > woo hoo! that tickles! > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Are you questioning the fact that a " ground " of being independent of > > > consciousness IS? Or something else? > > > -geo- > > > > as i don't believe in answers.. > > > > i have no questions. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > I dont believe in anything. > > -geo- > > i don't believe you. > > .b b.b. > > You better dont > -geo- actually i do a better do than don't. and never do what someone you don't believe tells you to do. especially if they tell you after... you have told them you don't believe them. they are not just deaf they are dolts. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Monday, June 15, 2009 7:31 PM > Re: it's not there or over there either. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what goes around comes around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-). > > > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, > > > > > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the > > > > > > > > > senses > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > objects. > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of > > > > > > > > knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation negated ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is. > > > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D: > > > > > > > > > > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the > > > > > > experiencing. > > > > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory. > > > > > > > > > > > > This timeless moment, undivided. > > > > > > > > > > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Never has been commented upon. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or > > > > > > referred > > > > > > to. > > > > > > I did not say a thing. > > > > > > > > > > D: Good point, thanks for clarifying. > > > > > > > > > > geo> What did I clarify? > > > > > > > > D: What you didn't say. > > > > > > > > geo>The statement " The potentiality of all possibilities was never > > > > named, > > > > or > > > > referred to. I did not say a thing. " is not referring to anything I > > > > wrote > > > > before. It is a stand-alone thing. > > > > > > > > The thing is: either one decides not to name it or even referr to it, > > > > or > > > > yes. Once one decides that yes...then any word will not do the job > > > > anyway...so, in fact it doesnt matter much which name one uses. It can > > > > be > > > > THAT or ISNESS or " The potentiality of all possibilities " or " the > > > > never > > > > named " even " I " - like in " I am not consciousness " . > > > > > > D: Thanks for the further clarification. Yes, I had this sense of what > > > you > > > were saying. Your comments make it more clear. > > > > > > One uses a name for the sake of conversing, for the sake of expressing. > > > > > > Because of the way that words work, one who hears what is said may > > > mistakenly think that because naming was employed, a quality of being is > > > referred to, or a state of consciousness is being referred to. > > > > > > Then, this can be personalized, such as, " Joe X has more of this quality > > > of > > > being than Sid Y, " or " Sally M is in this state of consciousness, and > > > Mary > > > R > > > isn't. " > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Or... " he thinks he has more silent knowledge then that other, or me " . > > > The > > > problem is always the same afer a certain point: all becomes impersonal > > > and > > > a personality interfers in that. There is nothing personal in the > > > universe, > > > all is universal, impersonal. BTW, the " interpretation as personal " is a > > > measure that eventualy points to the point where mutual understanding > > > has > > > stoped. Unfortunately or not...only the impersonal side can see it. > > > -geo- > > > > D: Yes. Either the personality structure (line of memories and > > self-feeling > > of existence forming " I " )is being used as the attempted basis for existing > > and knowing, or it isn't being used that way. > > > > " You can't serve two masters. " > > > > Although I don't think it's personality that interferes. Personalities > > actually form in an impersonal way. Like you said, everything in the > > universe is impersonal (including personalities). > > > > The interference is the attempt to use a personal center as the mode for > > knowing/being. If that attempt isn't being made, personalities do whatever > > they do. They aren't anchoring being, and never have actually done that. > > > > " Let the dead (beings centered in a memory line) bury their dead. " > > > > - D - > > > > Yes, but now there is the issue of personality :>) > > To me, personality is always " unconscious " - so it is a set of > > conditionings > > formed around the inner sense of entity. The root of the word is > > " person " - > > persona. When the inner sense of entity is absent there is control over > > the > > way one reacts/acts in relations. Nomenclature. > > -geo- > > Who is the controller, and what is the controlled? > > Is one separately existing, apart from the other? > > - D - > When the center is there, it is the set of beliefs, through a sense of hurt > to the image, false morality, self-defense or anger or fear or > righteousness, etc... > When there is clarity, when nothing is personal, no imagined center is > involved, the organism uses its natural intelligence in relations. But this > can not be taken as a statement or some conceptual elaboration. It is totaly > obvious. A personality is able to do the most....you know...abominable > things....Clarity not. > -geo- pompous bullshit pilgrim. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > Who is the controller, and what is the controlled? > > > > Is one separately existing, apart from the other? > > > > - D - > > There is no separation -obviously. In human interactions, inteligence, > rationality, clarity, perception of the whole field rules in one case, and > prejudice, fear, anger in the other. The results are very different. Sense > of separation engenders fear and violence and the one in clarity knows that. > Is this not obvious/clear? > What are wars, concentration camps,etc...? Could such events happen if the > people involved acted guided by clarity? > -geo- if " Clarity " is all that is claimed of it.. how could it not be the Primal Cause and Guiding Force.. of any and all things..states..behaviors..conditions? you be the judge. Clarity never judges. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Who is the controller, and what is the controlled? > > > > > > Is one separately existing, apart from the other? > > > > > > - D - > > > > There is no separation -obviously. In human interactions, inteligence, > > rationality, clarity, perception of the whole field rules in one case, and > > prejudice, fear, anger in the other. The results are very different. Sense > > of separation engenders fear and violence and the one in clarity knows that. > > Is this not obvious/clear? > > What are wars, concentration camps,etc...? Could such events happen if the > > people involved acted guided by clarity? > > -geo- > > > if " Clarity " is all that is claimed of it.. > > how could it not be the Primal Cause and Guiding Force.. > > of any and all things..states..behaviors..conditions? > > you be the judge. > > Clarity never judges. > > .b b.b. some would make of Clarity or Realization.. a " God " not unlike the christian/jewish/islamic one. " Clarity " would never do this..or that... (all the " bad stuff) " Clarity " IS this or that. (all the good stuff) it's all good all knowing without knowing.. it's the best Daddy daddyo. and those same folks sit around.. and pontificate like a pope.. rattling on and on about the Ultimate of Ultimates.. and how they are individually in tune with " It " .. and how they have come to tell you what's what. fucking bullshit my friends. don't put money nor belief nor trust in their basket. they live to believe that you think they are wise. dolts. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 > > > > > > > > what goes around comes around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and no actual 'contact' has occurred. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes... contact between what and what? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am what I see, hear, smell, taste, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fried chicken smells like myself ;-). > > > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what about.. I am not what I see, hear, smell, taste, > > > > > > > etc.? > > > > > > > I am not consciousness, I am not the world, I am not the > > > > > > > senses > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > objects. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > One negates everything that has been known or can be known. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there is still negation, which is a process of knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation negated ... > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > Negation, negation...till silent afirmation is. > > > > > > Not even that. > > > > > > I am the is-ness where waves of things arise. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > D: > > > > > > > > This moment of experience arising, I arises with and as the > > > > experiencing. > > > > Time arises with the experiencing of memory. > > > > > > > > This timeless moment, undivided. > > > > > > > > The is-ing, now-ing, is of and from nothing. > > > > > > > > Never has been commented upon. > > > > > > > > geo> The potentiality of all possibilities was never named, or > > > > referred > > > > to. > > > > I did not say a thing. > > > > > > > > > > and you guys claim this is not a word game? > > > > > > Clarabelle made more sense with his seltzer bottle and honk horn. > > > > > > i am not really here and am not saying any words and you aren't there. > > > > > > and i'm so clever for telling you that.. > > > > > > so that you can think that i know something you don't know. > > > > > > and whatever it is it's NAMELESS and IMPORTANT and.. > > > > > > way beyond your powers of thought or belief.. > > > > > > or even my enlightened knowing to use words to tell. > > > > > > to fucking bad about your luck. > > > > > > i'm THERE though and that's what matters. > > > > > > kiss the little toe with the golden toenail ring attached. > > > > > > woo hoo! that tickles! > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Are you questioning the fact that a " ground " of being independent of > > > consciousness IS? Or something else? > > > -geo- > > > > as i don't believe in answers.. > > > > i have no questions. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > I dont believe in anything. > > -geo- > > i don't believe you. > > .b b.b. > > You better dont > -geo- actually i do a better do than don't. and never do what someone you don't believe tells you to do. especially if they tell you after... you have told them you don't believe them. they are not just deaf they are dolts. ..b b.b. Thanks for your vote of confidence. Now I leave you with your choices and decisions....not an easy job it seems. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 16/6/2009 07:53:50 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:11 AM Re: it's not there or over there either. Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > Who is the controller, and what is the controlled? > > > > Is one separately existing, apart from the other? > > > > - D - > > There is no separation -obviously. In human interactions, inteligence, > rationality, clarity, perception of the whole field rules in one case, and > prejudice, fear, anger in the other. The results are very different. Sense > of separation engenders fear and violence and the one in clarity knows > that. > Is this not obvious/clear? > What are wars, concentration camps,etc...? Could such events happen if the > people involved acted guided by clarity? > -geo- if " Clarity " is all that is claimed of it.. how could it not be the Primal Cause and Guiding Force.. of any and all things..states..behaviors..conditions? you be the judge. Clarity never judges. ..b b.b. You are not the first to ask this question pall. Why clarity needs/allows darkness? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 16/6/2009 07:53:50 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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