Guest guest Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:35 AM Re: Food Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > and time is emergence. > > and a tomato is a fruit. > > and a fish is a swimmer. > > and a dog barks. > > and so on and so on and.. > > oh danny.. > > we worship at your feet. > > are you ok sport? > > .b b.b. What the hell is your problem with Dan? He's never said a nasty word to anyone. Or... is that your problem... LOL. -tim- The eye of the hurricane is narrow. A wrong move, and you are taken, and " problems " arise. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:42 AM Re: Food Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is > > > asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness > > > of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to > > > understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when > > > you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > it never started. > > > > piss on it. > > > > love.. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT > IS > & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... > sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > > never heard of the alamo > > geo> The problem becomes subtle. Some will say 'all is that'... but there > is > conceptualization. I think from this point onwards you will have to be > honest and check wether you are objectivating a " ground - or Self as you > call it " in any away. > > The same with the " continuity " problem. Although I am aware that this > question is form a temporal point of wiew, I cant avoid perceiving that > people will say " of course it is always there, because, or after all, or > tink about it.... but the bugg may be there: the honest but inocent dive > into the conceptual world, an attempt to justify, to convince oneself that > IT is alway there BECAUSE.... This becomes more difficult to overcome AS A > DIALOGUE because we are all very skilled, very smart with these words, > with > these fractal concepts and the difference between conceptual and > non-conceptual is quite easy to hide. Not always though. > I am talking here about DIALOGUES. In othere words - any bottom line, if > any - is always here and here and here..... " otheres " is just a game we > play. D: you (I) reach a point (now) where you (I) can't check yourself (myself). you have no basis for checking geo> Because there is none to do such checking. D:...you are the fear of losing everything that is all you are geo> I am not any something of consciousness, such as " fear of losing everything " . this is the barrier of no-barrier that has been pointed to for centuries " you " ( " I " ) die it's not pretty although it is sudden (no time is involved) - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:35 AM > Re: Food > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > and time is emergence. > > > > and a tomato is a fruit. > > > > and a fish is a swimmer. > > > > and a dog barks. > > > > and so on and so on and.. > > > > oh danny.. > > > > we worship at your feet. > > > > are you ok sport? > > > > .b b.b. > > What the hell is your problem with Dan? He's never said a nasty word to > anyone. Or... is that your problem... LOL. > -tim- > > The eye of the hurricane is narrow. A wrong move, and you are taken, and > " problems " arise. > -geo- Hey, I'm not complaining... it's a message board, after all :-p. They're all 99% noise, 1% signal AFAIC. Just curious why .b b.b. was going off all of a sudden on Dan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes but some would say that to have a satvic mind for awareness/realisation one would do well to keep the 'instrument' functioning smoothely. > > > > > Your thoughts?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You alreeady have answered your question. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can one understand the unreality of an existence of a realizer, apart from that which is realized? > > > > > > > > Do you see that maintaining a certain condition (such as nutritional purity) can only give a conditioned understanding? > > > > > > > > The unconditional can't be reached by any means. > > > > > > > > No conditioned mind, no conditional being, has any way to realize the unconditional. > > > > > > > > Is it possible to understand the impossibility of you, me, any relative being, any being with duration and location, having access to this Unconditioned, Unborn, Contactless, Uncreated? > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > if it's possible to ask it's possible to answer. > > > > > > you can make up the understanding part if you want. > > > > > > you do about everything else going on. > > > > > > why not that stuff? > > > > > > can you understand: > > > > > > walking or talking or shitting or fucking or warring or loving? > > > > > > if you can't understand what you see every day.. > > > > > > without making up the notion of your understanding any of it.. > > > > > > why not the stuff you can't see or hear or feel or think? > > > > > > it's easier to have contact with the real than the unreal. > > > > > > being unreal yourself you don't believe that. > > > > > > that's understandable. > > > > > > in fact.. > > > > > > it's the ONLY possibility for " you " or " me " . > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > what I remember as having happened today, never happened. > > > > being unreal yourself (myself), you (I) have no choice but to believe it happened. > > > > what is so, has never been contacted or recalled. > > > > This will never contact me. > > > > I die (now). > > > > This lives. > > > > Having always already consumed me, it has no awareness of me. > > > > This is awareness itself, without any awareness of self or of awareness. > > > > - d - > > > bullshit. > > .b b.b. love. - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is > > > > > > > asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness > > > > > > > of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to > > > > > > > understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when > > > > > > > you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > > > > > > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > > > > > > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > > > > > > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > > > > > > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > > > > > > > > > it never started. > > > > > > > > > > > > piss on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > love.. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT IS > > > > > & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... > > > > > sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > > > > > > > > > > never heard of the alamo > > > > > > > > > > geo> The problem becomes subtle. Some will say 'all is that'... but there is > > > > > conceptualization. I think from this point onwards you will have to be > > > > > honest and check wether you are objectivating a " ground - or Self as you > > > > > call it " in any away. > > > > > > > > > > The same with the " continuity " problem. Although I am aware that this > > > > > question is form a temporal point of wiew, I cant avoid perceiving that > > > > > people will say " of course it is always there, because, or after all, or > > > > > tink about it.... but the bugg may be there: the honest but inocent dive > > > > > into the conceptual world, an attempt to justify, to convince oneself that > > > > > IT is alway there BECAUSE.... This becomes more difficult to overcome AS A > > > > > DIALOGUE because we are all very skilled, very smart with these words, with > > > > > these fractal concepts and the difference between conceptual and > > > > > non-conceptual is quite easy to hide. Not always though. > > > > > I am talking here about DIALOGUES. In othere words - any bottom line, if > > > > > any - is always here and here and here..... " otheres " is just a game we play. > > > > > > > > you (I) reach a point (now) where you (I) can't check yourself (myself). > > > > > > > > you have no basis for checking > > > > > > > > you are the fear of losing everything > > > > > > > > that is all you are > > > > > > > > this is the barrier of no-barrier > > > > > > > > that has been pointed to for centuries > > > > > > > > " you " ( " I " ) die > > > > > > > > it's not pretty > > > > > > > > although it is sudden (no time is involved) > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > piss on it. > > > > > > time emerges as a golden stream. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > emergence is time. > > > > - d - > > and time is emergence. > > and a tomato is a fruit. > > and a fish is a swimmer. > > and a dog barks. > > and so on and so on and.. > > oh danny.. > > we worship at your feet. > > are you ok sport? > > .b b.b. personalization. - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:35 AM > Re: Food > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > and time is emergence. > > > > and a tomato is a fruit. > > > > and a fish is a swimmer. > > > > and a dog barks. > > > > and so on and so on and.. > > > > oh danny.. > > > > we worship at your feet. > > > > are you ok sport? > > > > .b b.b. > > What the hell is your problem with Dan? He's never said a nasty word to > anyone. Or... is that your problem... LOL. > -tim- > > The eye of the hurricane is narrow. A wrong move, and you are taken, and > " problems " arise. > -geo- Yes, passing through the eye of the needle, nothing is brought along. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > D: you (I) reach a point (now) where you (I) can't check yourself (myself). > > you have no basis for checking > > geo> Because there is none to do such checking. D: Because there is no separation, no place to step back to, from which to check. > D:...you are the fear of losing everything > > that is all you are > > geo> I am not any something of consciousness, such as " fear of losing > everything " . D: I can't check, to say what I am or am not. The fear of losing, is the desire to be able to check something. That fear is the human being. The human being dissolves here. > this is the barrier of no-barrier > > that has been pointed to for centuries > > " you " ( " I " ) die > > it's not pretty > > although it is sudden (no time is involved) > > - d - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " maxamehc " <maxamehc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes but some would say that to have a satvic mind for awareness/realisation one would do well to keep the 'instrument' functioning smoothely. > > > > > > Your thoughts?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You alreeady have answered your question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can one understand the unreality of an existence of a realizer, apart from that which is realized? > > > > > > > > > > Do you see that maintaining a certain condition (such as nutritional purity) can only give a conditioned understanding? > > > > > > > > > > The unconditional can't be reached by any means. > > > > > > > > > > No conditioned mind, no conditional being, has any way to realize the unconditional. > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible to understand the impossibility of you, me, any relative being, any being with duration and location, having access to this Unconditioned, Unborn, Contactless, Uncreated? > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > if it's possible to ask it's possible to answer. > > > > > > > > you can make up the understanding part if you want. > > > > > > > > you do about everything else going on. > > > > > > > > why not that stuff? > > > > > > > > can you understand: > > > > > > > > walking or talking or shitting or fucking or warring or loving? > > > > > > > > if you can't understand what you see every day.. > > > > > > > > without making up the notion of your understanding any of it.. > > > > > > > > why not the stuff you can't see or hear or feel or think? > > > > > > > > it's easier to have contact with the real than the unreal. > > > > > > > > being unreal yourself you don't believe that. > > > > > > > > that's understandable. > > > > > > > > in fact.. > > > > > > > > it's the ONLY possibility for " you " or " me " . > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > what I remember as having happened today, never happened. > > > > > > being unreal yourself (myself), you (I) have no choice but to believe it happened. > > > > > > what is so, has never been contacted or recalled. > > > > > > This will never contact me. > > > > > > I die (now). > > > > > > This lives. > > > > > > Having always already consumed me, it has no awareness of me. > > > > > > This is awareness itself, without any awareness of self or of awareness. > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > .b b.b. > > love. > > - d - double dog dare extra bullshit. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > werner has a point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as he always does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's on the top of what goes for his head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what the hell does " alreeady " mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh these fucking geniuses have a way with words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah but one can go around all day repeating " I am the Self " & " who is > > > > > > > > asking the useless questions? " but without having that total awareness > > > > > > > > of that 'being-ness' how can he 'leave' himself off illusion & come to > > > > > > > > understand & know THAT he is?? your above question supports this when > > > > > > > > you ask ->> What's the matter with me?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's the matter with you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what the fuck is a self? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's not wanted nor needed nor actual. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it has no " beingness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one can go around all day because.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what the fuck else is there to do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're going around in circles asking shit like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so fuck off and remember the Alamo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's a losin' battle Gillis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's over done kaput. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it never started. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > piss on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my point exactly! the self I'm talking about is that which knows THAT IT IS > > > > > > & not that which thinks & creates a concept of what it thinks it is... > > > > > > sheesh, didn't mean to put a hassle in your Hasslehoff! > > > > > > > > > > > > never heard of the alamo > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> The problem becomes subtle. Some will say 'all is that'... but there is > > > > > > conceptualization. I think from this point onwards you will have to be > > > > > > honest and check wether you are objectivating a " ground - or Self as you > > > > > > call it " in any away. > > > > > > > > > > > > The same with the " continuity " problem. Although I am aware that this > > > > > > question is form a temporal point of wiew, I cant avoid perceiving that > > > > > > people will say " of course it is always there, because, or after all, or > > > > > > tink about it.... but the bugg may be there: the honest but inocent dive > > > > > > into the conceptual world, an attempt to justify, to convince oneself that > > > > > > IT is alway there BECAUSE.... This becomes more difficult to overcome AS A > > > > > > DIALOGUE because we are all very skilled, very smart with these words, with > > > > > > these fractal concepts and the difference between conceptual and > > > > > > non-conceptual is quite easy to hide. Not always though. > > > > > > I am talking here about DIALOGUES. In othere words - any bottom line, if > > > > > > any - is always here and here and here..... " otheres " is just a game we play. > > > > > > > > > > you (I) reach a point (now) where you (I) can't check yourself (myself). > > > > > > > > > > you have no basis for checking > > > > > > > > > > you are the fear of losing everything > > > > > > > > > > that is all you are > > > > > > > > > > this is the barrier of no-barrier > > > > > > > > > > that has been pointed to for centuries > > > > > > > > > > " you " ( " I " ) die > > > > > > > > > > it's not pretty > > > > > > > > > > although it is sudden (no time is involved) > > > > > > > > > > - d - > > > > > > > > > > > > piss on it. > > > > > > > > time emerges as a golden stream. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > emergence is time. > > > > > > - d - > > > > and time is emergence. > > > > and a tomato is a fruit. > > > > and a fish is a swimmer. > > > > and a dog barks. > > > > and so on and so on and.. > > > > oh danny.. > > > > we worship at your feet. > > > > are you ok sport? > > > > .b b.b. > > personalization. > > - d - depersonalize what you are trying desperately to create. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, June 14, 2009 7:35 AM > > Re: Food > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > and time is emergence. > > > > > > and a tomato is a fruit. > > > > > > and a fish is a swimmer. > > > > > > and a dog barks. > > > > > > and so on and so on and.. > > > > > > oh danny.. > > > > > > we worship at your feet. > > > > > > are you ok sport? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > What the hell is your problem with Dan? He's never said a nasty word to > > anyone. Or... is that your problem... LOL. > > -tim- > > > > The eye of the hurricane is narrow. A wrong move, and you are taken, and > > " problems " arise. > > -geo- > > Yes, passing through the eye of the needle, nothing is brought along. > > - D - mainlined jesus. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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