Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human being. Therefore, the human being is not a human being. Reality is. Nothing more can be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human being. > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > Allow me please to add a bit more: There are as many realities as ther are human beings. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human being. > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > Werner True, as there are no human beings ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human being. > > > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > > > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > > > Werner > > True, as there are no human beings ;-). > Get your nose out of all those Advaita books and forget all that bull. Get a live, Tim. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human being. > > > > > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > > > > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > > > > > Werner > > > > True, as there are no human beings ;-). > > > > > Get your nose out of all those Advaita books and forget all that bull. Get a live, Tim. > > Werner I am Life. Reality is artificially split by thought and imagination. Reality imagines itself a human being. Imagines there's a " Tim " . Imagines continuity where there is none. And is scared spitless of its essential emptiness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human being. Therefore, the human being is not a human being. Reality is. Nothing more can be said. geo> Reality is the one perceiving the human being as an empty dinamic shell - what else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 - Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:53 PM Re: The human being Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human being. > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > Allow me please to add a bit more: There are as many realities as ther are human beings. Werner Which means that to werner there are how many realities? 10, 100, 1000? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:06 PM Re: The human being Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human > > > > being. > > > > > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > > > > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > > > > > Werner > > > > True, as there are no human beings ;-). > > > > > Get your nose out of all those Advaita books and forget all that bull. Get > a live, Tim. > > Werner I am Life. Reality is artificially split by thought and imagination. Reality imagines itself a human being. Imagines there's a " Tim " . Imagines continuity where there is none. And is scared spitless of its essential emptiness. geo> I am better then you: I am beyond life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 > > > > > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human > > > > being. > > > > > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > > > > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > > > > > Werner > > > > True, as there are no human beings ;-). > > > > > Get your nose out of all those Advaita books and forget all that bull. Get > a live, Tim. > > Werner I am Life. Reality is artificially split by thought and imagination. Reality imagines itself a human being. Imagines there's a " Tim " . geo> There is difference between " Tim " and " human being " . Tim may leave right now....the human being will remain till the body kicks - without Tim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:53 PM > Re: The human being > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human being. > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > Werner > > Which means that to werner there are how many realities? 10, 100, 1000? > -geo- > Whom did you put the question to: " that to werner there are ... " , Geo ? If you had asked me then the question had to look like: " Which means that to you, Werner, there are how many ... " Now what, Geo ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human > > > > > being. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > > > > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > > > > > > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > True, as there are no human beings ;-). > > > > > > > > > Get your nose out of all those Advaita books and forget all that bull. Get > > a live, Tim. > > > > Werner > > I am Life. > > Reality is artificially split by thought and imagination. > > Reality imagines itself a human being. > > Imagines there's a " Tim " . > > geo> There is difference between " Tim " and " human being " . > Tim may leave right now....the human being will remain till the body kicks - > without Tim. " The human being " is a verbal/conceptual definition. It's imaginary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human > > > > > > being. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > > > > > > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > > > > > > > > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > True, as there are no human beings ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your nose out of all those Advaita books and forget all that bull. Get > > > a live, Tim. > > > > > > Werner > > > > I am Life. > > > > Reality is artificially split by thought and imagination. > > > > Reality imagines itself a human being. > > > > Imagines there's a " Tim " . > > > > geo> There is difference between " Tim " and " human being " . > > Tim may leave right now....the human being will remain till the body kicks - > > without Tim. > > " The human being " is a verbal/conceptual definition. It's imaginary. > No, Tim, " Human being " is a spezifying category like for example insects, birs, snakes etc ... When we speak of human beings we don't mean insects, or do we ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:38 PM Re: The human being Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human > > > > > being. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > > > > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > > > > > > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > True, as there are no human beings ;-). > > > > > > > > > Get your nose out of all those Advaita books and forget all that bull. > > Get > > a live, Tim. > > > > Werner > > I am Life. > > Reality is artificially split by thought and imagination. > > Reality imagines itself a human being. > > Imagines there's a " Tim " . > > geo> There is difference between " Tim " and " human being " . > Tim may leave right now....the human being will remain till the body > kicks - > without Tim. " The human being " is a verbal/conceptual definition. It's imaginary. geo> Really? Try to convince yourself, or geo if you prefer, to be a snake being. I am waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human > > > > > > > being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > > > > > > > > > > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > True, as there are no human beings ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your nose out of all those Advaita books and forget all that bull. Get > > > > a live, Tim. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > I am Life. > > > > > > Reality is artificially split by thought and imagination. > > > > > > Reality imagines itself a human being. > > > > > > Imagines there's a " Tim " . > > > > > > geo> There is difference between " Tim " and " human being " . > > > Tim may leave right now....the human being will remain till the body kicks - > > > without Tim. > > > > " The human being " is a verbal/conceptual definition. It's imaginary. > > > > > No, Tim, > > " Human being " is a spezifying category like for example insects, birs, snakes etc ... > > When we speak of human beings we don't mean insects, or do we ? > > Werner Exactly. It's a verbal/conceptual definition. It's imaginary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:37 PM > Re: The human being > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Werner Woehr > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:53 PM > > Re: The human being > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human being. > > > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > > > Werner > > > > Which means that to werner there are how many realities? 10, 100, 1000? > > -geo- > > > > Whom did you put the question to: " that to werner there are ... " , Geo ? > > If you had asked me then the question had to look like: " Which means that to > you, Werner, there are how many ... " > > Now what, Geo ? > > Werner > > geo> To you. > Ok, Geo, then my answer to you is: There are as many realities as there are humnan beings. If you are keen on knowing the exact numnber of human beinsg on this earth then quickly start conting them. You will need some time til you are finished. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:46 PM Re: Re: The human being - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:38 PM Re: The human being Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human > > > > > being. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > > > > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > > > > > > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > True, as there are no human beings ;-). > > > > > > > > > Get your nose out of all those Advaita books and forget all that bull. > > Get > > a live, Tim. > > > > Werner > > I am Life. > > Reality is artificially split by thought and imagination. > > Reality imagines itself a human being. > > Imagines there's a " Tim " . > > geo> There is difference between " Tim " and " human being " . > Tim may leave right now....the human being will remain till the body > kicks - > without Tim. " The human being " is a verbal/conceptual definition. It's imaginary. geo> Really? Try to convince yourself, or geo if you prefer, to be a snake being. I am waiting. Or an elephant that can hear infra-sound, or a dog that can hear ultra-sound, or a panda that feeds on bamboo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 - Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:51 PM Re: The human being Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:37 PM > Re: The human being > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Werner Woehr > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:53 PM > > Re: The human being > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human being. > > > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > > > Werner > > > > Which means that to werner there are how many realities? 10, 100, 1000? > > -geo- > > > > Whom did you put the question to: " that to werner there are ... " , Geo ? > > If you had asked me then the question had to look like: " Which means that > to > you, Werner, there are how many ... " > > Now what, Geo ? > > Werner > > geo> To you. > Ok, Geo, then my answer to you is: There are as many realities as there are humnan beings. If you are keen on knowing the exact numnber of human beinsg on this earth then quickly start conting them. You will need some time til you are finished. Werner geo> Thanks werner. I will think about that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:46 PM > Re: Re: The human being - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:38 PM > Re: The human being > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human > > > > > > being. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > > > > > > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > > > > > > > > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > True, as there are no human beings ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your nose out of all those Advaita books and forget all that bull. > > > Get > > > a live, Tim. > > > > > > Werner > > > > I am Life. > > > > Reality is artificially split by thought and imagination. > > > > Reality imagines itself a human being. > > > > Imagines there's a " Tim " . > > > > geo> There is difference between " Tim " and " human being " . > > Tim may leave right now....the human being will remain till the body > > kicks - > > without Tim. > > " The human being " is a verbal/conceptual definition. It's imaginary. > > geo> Really? Try to convince yourself, or geo if you prefer, to be a snake > being. > I am waiting. A snake is a verbal/conceptual definition. It's imaginary. Try to convince yourself to be anything. Good luck! ;-). You aren't anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > > > > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human > > > > > > > being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > > > > > > > > > > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > True, as there are no human beings ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your nose out of all those Advaita books and forget all that bull. > > > > Get > > > > a live, Tim. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > I am Life. > > > > > > Reality is artificially split by thought and imagination. > > > > > > Reality imagines itself a human being. > > > > > > Imagines there's a " Tim " . > > > > > > geo> There is difference between " Tim " and " human being " . > > > Tim may leave right now....the human being will remain till the body > > > kicks - > > > without Tim. > > > > " The human being " is a verbal/conceptual definition. It's imaginary. > > > > geo> Really? Try to convince yourself, or geo if you prefer, to be a snake > > being. > > I am waiting. > > A snake is a verbal/conceptual definition. It's imaginary. > > Try to convince yourself to be anything. Good luck! ;-). You aren't > anything. > > geo> Yes I am nothing. That is clear. You aren't nothing, if " nothing " is something. Is *that* clear? > What I am saying is that " geo " as an > event, and " humanity " as an event are fundamentaly different in > their nature. Neither has any nature, as far as I can see, other than the nature of concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:46 PM > > Re: Re: The human being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:38 PM > > Re: The human being > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The human being cannot get outside itself to know it's a human > > > > > > > being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, the human being is not a human being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reality is. Nothing more can be said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allow me please to add a bit more: > > > > > > > > > > > > There are as many realities as ther are human beings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > True, as there are no human beings ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get your nose out of all those Advaita books and forget all that bull. > > > > Get > > > > a live, Tim. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > I am Life. > > > > > > Reality is artificially split by thought and imagination. > > > > > > Reality imagines itself a human being. > > > > > > Imagines there's a " Tim " . > > > > > > geo> There is difference between " Tim " and " human being " . > > > Tim may leave right now....the human being will remain till the body > > > kicks - > > > without Tim. > > > > " The human being " is a verbal/conceptual definition. It's imaginary. > > > > geo> Really? Try to convince yourself, or geo if you prefer, to be a snake > > being. > > I am waiting. > > A snake is a verbal/conceptual definition. It's imaginary. > > Try to convince yourself to be anything. Good luck! ;-). You aren't anything. > And if you get bitten by such a conceptual skane (which God might fobid) the you will suffer from conceptual pain, right Tim ? And next time you will avoid to get near such a snake because calling her just to be a concept again can have painful consequences, won't it, Tim ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > And if you get bitten by such a conceptual skane (which God might > fobid) the you will suffer from conceptual pain, right Tim ? Right, Werner ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > And if you get bitten by such a conceptual skane (which God might > > fobid) the you will suffer from conceptual pain, right Tim ? > > Right, Werner ;-). BTW, I've never been bitten by a skane before. Oops, that must be " snake " . Gotta get our concepts straight ;-). Especially if I'm gonna say I took some Novocaine before the snake bit me, and I felt no pain, conceptual or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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