Guest guest Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Religion and Philosophy are games that kick around abstract words. They are intellectual soccer for high IQ suckers. We, as intellectuals, know a soccer ball has no value in itself. It's a tool in a game that also has no value in itself, apart from the fun and the illusion of winning and losing in a competitive game. And yet, most intellectuals believe certain abstract words point to entities outside language, and that kicking abstract words around reveal ineffable truths. You as a nodualist have no problem accepting that words like freedom are empty of referent. That freedom is a mirage create by induction. That we abstract the concept of freedom from individual cases of restricted possibilities. A wealthy, white American has a wide range of possibilities opened to him, compared to a black woman in Sudan, and out of such inductive comparisons we abstract the word freedom, which means no more than the median income in your city means to you if you work at Wal-mart. But if you are a nondualist or a philosopher, you would have a blind spot to see the same applies to the word Nondual, One, Reality, Absolute, That, God, It, Mind, or Self. All those are, also, empty abstract words you kick around for the intoxication of a spiritual game. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 I agree... abstract words are nonsense. Only, we should consider " to whom " are the words abstract? Maybe they're abstract for the reader, but not for the writer? Or vice-versa. Please allow me to offer a snippet of Nisargadatta -- " As long as you believe only the particular to be real, conscious and happy and reject the non-dual reality as something imagined, an abstract concept, you will find me doling out concepts and abstractions. But once you have touched the real within your own being, you will find me describing what for you is the nearest and the dearest. " Perhaps the lesson here is that we should all speak from the deepest truth we know. Eh? And damn what anyone else says, as all we have is our own perception of that. Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Religion and Philosophy are games that > kick around abstract words. They are > intellectual soccer for high IQ suckers. > > We, as intellectuals, know a soccer ball > has no value in itself. It's a tool in > a game that also has no value in itself, > apart from the fun and the illusion of > winning and losing in a competitive game. > > And yet, most intellectuals believe certain > abstract words point to entities outside > language, and that kicking abstract words > around reveal ineffable truths. You as a > nodualist have no problem accepting that > words like freedom are empty of referent. > That freedom is a mirage create by induction. > That we abstract the concept of freedom from > individual cases of restricted possibilities. > > A wealthy, white American has a wide range of > possibilities opened to him, compared to a > black woman in Sudan, and out of such inductive > comparisons we abstract the word freedom, which > means no more than the median income in your city > means to you if you work at Wal-mart. > > But if you are a nondualist or a philosopher, you > would have a blind spot to see the same applies > to the word Nondual, One, Reality, Absolute, That, > God, It, Mind, or Self. All those are, also, empty > abstract words you kick around for the intoxication > of a spiritual game. > > Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 geo>You seem - to me - to me to be in a kind of conflicting situation. How would you describe where you are coming from (way of speaking)? You say there is no way of talking about non-duality but you insist in doing it. Religion and Philosophy are games that kick around abstract words. They are intellectual soccer for high IQ suckers. We, as intellectuals, know a soccer ball has no value in itself. It's a tool in a game that also has no value in itself, apart from the fun and the illusion of winning and losing in a competitive game. And yet, most intellectuals believe certain abstract words point to entities outside language, and that kicking abstract words around reveal ineffable truths. You as a nodualist have no problem accepting that words like freedom are empty of referent. That freedom is a mirage create by induction. That we abstract the concept of freedom from individual cases of restricted possibilities. A wealthy, white American has a wide range of possibilities opened to him, compared to a black woman in Sudan, and out of such inductive comparisons we abstract the word freedom, which means no more than the median income in your city means to you if you work at Wal-mart. But if you are a nondualist or a philosopher, you would have a blind spot to see the same applies to the word Nondual, One, Reality, Absolute, That, God, It, Mind, or Self. All those are, also, empty abstract words you kick around for the intoxication of a spiritual game. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > geo>You seem - to me - to me to be in a kind of conflicting situation. > How would you describe where you are coming from (way of speaking)? You say > there is no way of talking about non-duality but you insist in doing it. Geo, Instead of quarreling with Pete, why not just being grateful for his reminder ? Werner > > > > Religion and Philosophy are games that > kick around abstract words. They are > intellectual soccer for high IQ suckers. > > We, as intellectuals, know a soccer ball > has no value in itself. It's a tool in > a game that also has no value in itself, > apart from the fun and the illusion of > winning and losing in a competitive game. > > And yet, most intellectuals believe certain > abstract words point to entities outside > language, and that kicking abstract words > around reveal ineffable truths. You as a > nodualist have no problem accepting that > words like freedom are empty of referent. > That freedom is a mirage create by induction. > That we abstract the concept of freedom from > individual cases of restricted possibilities. > > A wealthy, white American has a wide range of > possibilities opened to him, compared to a > black woman in Sudan, and out of such inductive > comparisons we abstract the word freedom, which > means no more than the median income in your city > means to you if you work at Wal-mart. > > But if you are a nondualist or a philosopher, you > would have a blind spot to see the same applies > to the word Nondual, One, Reality, Absolute, That, > God, It, Mind, or Self. All those are, also, empty > abstract words you kick around for the intoxication > of a spiritual game. > > Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > geo>You seem - to me - to me to be in a kind of conflicting situation. > > How would you describe where you are coming from (way of speaking)? You say > > there is no way of talking about non-duality but you insist in doing it. > > > Geo, > > Instead of quarreling with Pete, why not just being grateful for his reminder ? > > Werner indeed geo. werner doesn't argue with me. he's grateful for my reminders on how stupid he is. of course that means he's even more stupid than i thought. this is some sort of weird improvement plan he's on: newer and even more powerful stupidity. ..b b.b. > > > > > > > > Religion and Philosophy are games that > > kick around abstract words. They are > > intellectual soccer for high IQ suckers. > > > > We, as intellectuals, know a soccer ball > > has no value in itself. It's a tool in > > a game that also has no value in itself, > > apart from the fun and the illusion of > > winning and losing in a competitive game. > > > > And yet, most intellectuals believe certain > > abstract words point to entities outside > > language, and that kicking abstract words > > around reveal ineffable truths. You as a > > nodualist have no problem accepting that > > words like freedom are empty of referent. > > That freedom is a mirage create by induction. > > That we abstract the concept of freedom from > > individual cases of restricted possibilities. > > > > A wealthy, white American has a wide range of > > possibilities opened to him, compared to a > > black woman in Sudan, and out of such inductive > > comparisons we abstract the word freedom, which > > means no more than the median income in your city > > means to you if you work at Wal-mart. > > > > But if you are a nondualist or a philosopher, you > > would have a blind spot to see the same applies > > to the word Nondual, One, Reality, Absolute, That, > > God, It, Mind, or Self. All those are, also, empty > > abstract words you kick around for the intoxication > > of a spiritual game. > > > > Pete > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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