Guest guest Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 " One picks up their trash, and places it in the wastebasket " (an older post here by someone, paraphrased) Nisargadatta: " To go beyond the mind, you must have your mind in perfect order. You cannot leave a mess behind and go beyond. The mess will bog you up. 'Pick up your rubbish' seems to be the universal law. And a just law too. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 " One picks up their trash, and places it in the wastebasket " (an older post here by someone, paraphrased) Nisargadatta: " To go beyond the mind, you must have your mind in perfect order. You cannot leave a mess behind and go beyond. The mess will bog you up. 'Pick up your rubbish' seems to be the universal law. And a just law too. " == What do you see as a " mind in perfect order " ? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > " One picks up their trash, and places it in the wastebasket " (an older post > here by someone, paraphrased) > > Nisargadatta: " To go beyond the mind, you must have your mind in perfect > order. You cannot leave a mess behind and go beyond. The mess will bog you > up. 'Pick up your rubbish' seems to be the universal law. And a just law > too. " > == > What do you see as a " mind in perfect order " ? > -geo- Nothing being avoided, ever. One realizing that whatever arises, is oneself, and is to be seen as such. This is the " ceaseless trash pickup " that results in clean, clear thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Sunday, June 21, 2009 6:22 PM Re: Seeing is " not-avoiding " Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > " One picks up their trash, and places it in the wastebasket " (an older > post > here by someone, paraphrased) > > Nisargadatta: " To go beyond the mind, you must have your mind in perfect > order. You cannot leave a mess behind and go beyond. The mess will bog you > up. 'Pick up your rubbish' seems to be the universal law. And a just law > too. " > == > What do you see as a " mind in perfect order " ? > -geo- Nothing being avoided, ever. One realizing that whatever arises, is oneself, and is to be seen as such. This is the " ceaseless trash pickup " that results in clean, clear thought. -tim Avoiding everything always. One realizing that whatever arises, is not oneself, and is to be seen as such. This is the " ceaseless trash pickup " that results in clean, clear thought. -tim/geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Avoiding everything always. One realizing that whatever arises, is not > oneself, and is to be seen as such. Is it working, now? Is all now perfectly clear? Is all the nonsense gone? If so, congrachoomalations ;-). If not, it's not working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Avoiding everything always. One realizing that whatever arises, is not > > oneself, and is to be seen as such. > > Is it working, now? Is all now perfectly clear? Is all the nonsense gone? > > If so, congrachoomalations ;-). > > If not, it's not working. P.S. dunno why you put " Tim/Geo " in the same sentence, either. We haven't met, haven't even talked on the phone... dunno what the other looks like, or 'thinks like' or nuthin. This is between " Tim and Tim " , or between " Geo and Geo " . Period. The 'mixing it up' on mailing lists only mixes things up ;-). Either folks are here to get mixed up, or get clear... no two ways about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 > > Avoiding everything always. One realizing that whatever arises, is not > > oneself, and is to be seen as such. > > Is it working, now? Is all now perfectly clear? Is all the nonsense gone? > > If so, congrachoomalations ;-). > > If not, it's not working. P.S. dunno why you put " Tim/Geo " in the same sentence, either. We haven't met, haven't even talked on the phone... dunno what the other looks like, or 'thinks like' or nuthin. This is between " Tim and Tim " , or between " Geo and Geo " . Period. The 'mixing it up' on mailing lists only mixes things up ;-). Either folks are here to get mixed up, or get clear... no two ways about it. Oh that...I was respecting your partial copyrights. One never knows where a lawer can show up... PS - Why dont you sign/identify your posts? Would avoid some further mixing ups...and help reading -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:21 PM Re: Re: Seeing is " not-avoiding " > > Avoiding everything always. One realizing that whatever arises, is not > > oneself, and is to be seen as such. > > Is it working, now? Is all now perfectly clear? Is all the nonsense gone? > > If so, congrachoomalations ;-). > > If not, it's not working. P.S. dunno why you put " Tim/Geo " in the same sentence, either. We haven't met, haven't even talked on the phone... dunno what the other looks like, or 'thinks like' or nuthin. This is between " Tim and Tim " , or between " Geo and Geo " . Period. The 'mixing it up' on mailing lists only mixes things up ;-). Either folks are here to get mixed up, or get clear... no two ways about it. Oh that...I was respecting your partial copyrights. One never knows where a lawer can show up... PS - Why dont you sign/identify your posts? Would avoid some further mixing ups...and help reading Funny...what we see in others is what we mostly have. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Sunday, June 21, 2009 6:35 PM Re: Seeing is " not-avoiding " Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Avoiding everything always. One realizing that whatever arises, is not > oneself, and is to be seen as such. Is it working, now? Is all now perfectly clear? Is all the nonsense gone? If so, congrachoomalations ;-). If not, it's not working. geo> Why? Sometimes it doesnt work for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Sunday, June 21, 2009 6:35 PM > Re: Seeing is " not-avoiding " > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Avoiding everything always. One realizing that whatever arises, is not > > oneself, and is to be seen as such. > > Is it working, now? Is all now perfectly clear? Is all the nonsense gone? > > If so, congrachoomalations ;-). > > If not, it's not working. > > geo> Why? Sometimes it doesnt work for you? It's so silly, asking these questions of 'others', addressed as 'you'. All avoidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:21 PM > Re: Re: Seeing is " not-avoiding " > > Avoiding everything always. One realizing that whatever arises, is not > > > oneself, and is to be seen as such. > > > > Is it working, now? Is all now perfectly clear? Is all the nonsense gone? > > > > If so, congrachoomalations ;-). > > > > If not, it's not working. > > P.S. dunno why you put " Tim/Geo " in the same sentence, either. We haven't > met, haven't even talked on the phone... dunno what the other looks like, or > 'thinks like' or nuthin. This is between " Tim and Tim " , or between " Geo and > Geo " . Period. > > The 'mixing it up' on mailing lists only mixes things up ;-). Either folks > are here to get mixed up, or get clear... no two ways about it. > > Oh that...I was respecting your partial copyrights. One never knows where a > lawer can show up... > PS - Why dont you sign/identify your posts? Would avoid some further mixing > ups...and help reading > > Funny...what we see in others is what we mostly have. > -geo- i see great power in your words. funny. i guess i see what i have. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > i see great power in your words. > > funny. > > i guess i see what i have. > > .b b.b. ^^ By george, he's finally getting it... :-p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, June 21, 2009 6:35 PM > > Re: Seeing is " not-avoiding " > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Avoiding everything always. One realizing that whatever arises, is not > > > oneself, and is to be seen as such. > > > > Is it working, now? Is all now perfectly clear? Is all the nonsense gone? > > > > If so, congrachoomalations ;-). > > > > If not, it's not working. > > > > geo> Why? Sometimes it doesnt work for you? > > It's so silly, asking these questions of 'others', addressed as 'you'. All avoidance. how the hell can there be avoidance if all is one? who could possibly avoid whom? you should avoid whatever medications you're currently taking. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > i see great power in your words. > > > > funny. > > > > i guess i see what i have. > > > > .b b.b. > > ^^ By george, he's finally getting it... :-p. " he " ? obviously " you " have not " gotten it " . LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:44 PM Re: Seeing is " not-avoiding " Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Sunday, June 21, 2009 6:35 PM > Re: Seeing is " not-avoiding " > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Avoiding everything always. One realizing that whatever arises, is not > > oneself, and is to be seen as such. > > Is it working, now? Is all now perfectly clear? Is all the nonsense gone? > > If so, congrachoomalations ;-). > > If not, it's not working. > > geo> Why? Sometimes it doesnt work for you? It's so silly, asking these questions of 'others', addressed as 'you'. All avoidance. Ahh..I see...those question above where adressed to yourself. Sorry for the intromission. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > It's so silly, asking these questions of 'others', addressed as 'you'. All > avoidance. > > Ahh..I see...those question above where adressed to yourself. Sorry > for the > intromission. > -geo- Round, and round, and round. No intermission at all, just repetition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Sunday, June 21, 2009 6:22 PM > Re: Seeing is " not-avoiding " > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > " One picks up their trash, and places it in the wastebasket " (an older > > post > > here by someone, paraphrased) > > > > Nisargadatta: " To go beyond the mind, you must have your mind in perfect > > order. You cannot leave a mess behind and go beyond. The mess will bog you > > up. 'Pick up your rubbish' seems to be the universal law. And a just law > > too. " > > == > > What do you see as a " mind in perfect order " ? > > -geo- > > Nothing being avoided, ever. One realizing that whatever arises, is oneself, > and is to be seen as such. This is the " ceaseless trash pickup " that results > in clean, clear thought. > -tim > > Avoiding everything always. One realizing that whatever arises, is not > oneself, and is to be seen as such. This is the " ceaseless trash pickup " > that results in clean, clear thought. > -tim/geo- neti, neti is not avoidance. understanding that one is no object that can be defined, thought, or experienced is non-avoidance. it is not getting caught in an objectification. getting caught, entangled, is the attempt to avoid, the attempt to keep a self (that has relations), the attempt to blame or desire an other (even another moment, another experience). - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 > > " One picks up their trash, and places it in the wastebasket " (an older > > post > > here by someone, paraphrased) > > > > Nisargadatta: " To go beyond the mind, you must have your mind in perfect > > order. You cannot leave a mess behind and go beyond. The mess will bog > > you > > up. 'Pick up your rubbish' seems to be the universal law. And a just law > > too. " > > == > > What do you see as a " mind in perfect order " ? > > -geo- > > Nothing being avoided, ever. One realizing that whatever arises, is > oneself, > and is to be seen as such. This is the " ceaseless trash pickup " that > results > in clean, clear thought. > -tim > > Avoiding everything always. One realizing that whatever arises, is not > oneself, and is to be seen as such. This is the " ceaseless trash pickup " > that results in clean, clear thought. > -tim/geo- neti, neti is not avoidance. understanding that one is no object that can be defined, thought, or experienced is non-avoidance. it is not getting caught in an objectification. getting caught, entangled, is the attempt to avoid, the attempt to keep a self (that has relations), the attempt to blame or desire an other (even another moment, another experience). - d - Sense of self is the essence of avoidance. It is a fragment of the object felt as subject. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Sense of self is the essence of avoidance. Sense of 'other' is also the essence of avoidance. Perhaps could be seen as even more the essence, where " interaction between people " is involved. All need for others is need for oneself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 > Sense of self is the essence of avoidance. Sense of 'other' is also the essence of avoidance. Perhaps could be seen as even more the essence, where " interaction between people " is involved. All need for others is need for oneself. -tim- Sense of self, the getting away from what is, opens a " space " where the whole movement takes place - me, you, them, will be, should have not.... -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > Sense of self is the essence of avoidance. > > Sense of 'other' is also the essence of avoidance. > > Perhaps could be seen as even more the essence, where " interaction between > people " is involved. > > All need for others is need for oneself. > -tim- > > Sense of self, the getting away from what is, opens a " space " where the > whole movement takes place - me, you, them, will be, should have not.... > -geo- It only seems to open a space. Such a space can never be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:48 PM Re: Seeing is " not-avoiding " Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > Sense of self is the essence of avoidance. > > Sense of 'other' is also the essence of avoidance. > > Perhaps could be seen as even more the essence, where " interaction between > people " is involved. > > All need for others is need for oneself. > -tim- > > Sense of self, the getting away from what is, opens a " space " where the > whole movement takes place - me, you, them, will be, should have not.... > -geo- It only seems to open a space. Such a space can never be. Of course not. It is the imaginary separate pseudo-subjective space of maya. (did i sayt that?) -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > It only seems to open a space. Such a space can never be. > > Of course not. It is the imaginary separate pseudo-subjective space of maya. > (did i sayt that?) > -geo- No, I did ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:06 PM Re: Seeing is " not-avoiding " Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > It only seems to open a space. Such a space can never be. > > Of course not. It is the imaginary separate pseudo-subjective space of > maya. > (did i sayt that?) > -geo- No, I did ;-). good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Sense of self is the essence of avoidance. > > Sense of 'other' is also the essence of avoidance. > > Perhaps could be seen as even more the essence, where " interaction between people " is involved. > > All need for others is need for oneself. any need for oneself.. puts itself squarely and instantaneously outside of one.. it sets up a distinction. need drops out when false distinction is eliminated. it's only natural actually. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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