Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch wrote: The *false*: " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . The *true*: " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of this truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch wrote: > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > The *false*: > > " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . > > The *true*: > > " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . > > Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of this truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. > > --- End forwarded message --- > First of all, there is no need to eliminate the ego. But rather a warning: Without the ego you no longer can function, you no longer can speak, you no longer will know anything and others have to spoon-feed you and wash you etc - in short, you will get locked of in a mental asylum which anyway is the adequate place for people suggesting such crime like the elimination of ego. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > The *false*: > > > > " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . > > > > The *true*: > > > > " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . > > > > Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of this truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > First of all, there is no need to eliminate the ego. But rather a warning: Without the ego you no longer can function, you no longer can speak, you no longer will know anything and others have to spoon-feed you and wash you etc - in short, you will get locked of in a mental asylum which anyway is the adequate place for people suggesting such crime like the elimination of ego. > > Werner so then wernie.. when did you lose your ego? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 The *false*: " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . The *true*: " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of this truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. -tim tim- This is just one side of the stick. If you stay fixed there, the tide moves and you are stuck with tim. IT moves. IT waves. -geo- --- End forwarded message --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 23/6/2009 07:00:18 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 - Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:00 AM Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch wrote: > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > The *false*: > > " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . > > The *true*: > > " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . > > Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of this > truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. > > --- End forwarded message --- > First of all, there is no need to eliminate the ego. But rather a warning: Without the ego you no longer can function, you no longer can speak, you no longer will know anything and others have to spoon-feed you and wash you etc - in short, you will get locked of in a mental asylum which anyway is the adequate place for people suggesting such crime like the elimination of ego. Werner Square wrong. Basic mistake. What functions without the inner entity (imagined) is the organism. Stupid, ignorant.....think!!! -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 23/6/2009 07:00:18 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:00 AM > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > The *false*: > > > > " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . > > > > The *true*: > > > > " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . > > > > Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of this > > truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > First of all, there is no need to eliminate the ego. But rather a warning: > Without the ego you no longer can function, you no longer can speak, you no > longer will know anything and others have to spoon-feed you and wash you > etc - in short, you will get locked of in a mental asylum which anyway is > the adequate place for people suggesting such crime like the elimination of > ego. > > Werner > > Square wrong. Basic mistake. What functions without the inner entity > (imagined) is the organism. Stupid, ignorant.....think!!! Geo, before you try to sound like Roberibus you better should hesitate and ponder what you basically wanted to say. Now I ask you, what is the organism without the knowledge accumulated through one's life. Would that organism be able to post here ? Werner > -geo- > > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 > Tested on: 23/6/2009 07:00:18 > avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Werner Woehr > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:00 AM > > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > The *false*: > > > > > > " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . > > > > > > The *true*: > > > > > > " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . > > > > > > Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of this > > > truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > First of all, there is no need to eliminate the ego. But rather a warning: > > Without the ego you no longer can function, you no longer can speak, you no > > longer will know anything and others have to spoon-feed you and wash you > > etc - in short, you will get locked of in a mental asylum which anyway is > > the adequate place for people suggesting such crime like the elimination of > > ego. > > > > Werner > > > > Square wrong. Basic mistake. What functions without the inner entity > > (imagined) is the organism. Stupid, ignorant.....think!!! > > > Geo, before you try to sound like Roberibus you better should hesitate and ponder what you basically wanted to say. > > Now I ask you, what is the organism without the knowledge accumulated through one's life. Would that organism be able to post here ? > > Werner you do all the time. you have no lifetime accumulation of knowledge. so i guess those kind of organisms can post huh? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 - Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:57 AM Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:00 AM > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > The *false*: > > > > " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . > > > > The *true*: > > > > " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . > > > > Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of > > this > > truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > First of all, there is no need to eliminate the ego. But rather a warning: > Without the ego you no longer can function, you no longer can speak, you > no > longer will know anything and others have to spoon-feed you and wash you > etc - in short, you will get locked of in a mental asylum which anyway is > the adequate place for people suggesting such crime like the elimination > of > ego. > > Werner > > Square wrong. Basic mistake. What functions without the inner entity > (imagined) is the organism. Stupid, ignorant.....think!!! Geo, before you try to sound like Roberibus you better should hesitate and ponder what you basically wanted to say. Now I ask you, what is the organism without the knowledge accumulated through one's life. Would that organism be able to post here ? Werner That is just what the organism had to learn to survive as an organism and species. No need for an imagined inner separate entity for that. Think. -ego- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:15 AM Re: Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... - Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:57 AM Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:00 AM > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > The *false*: > > > > " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . > > > > The *true*: > > > > " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . > > > > Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of > > this > > truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > First of all, there is no need to eliminate the ego. But rather a warning: > Without the ego you no longer can function, you no longer can speak, you > no > longer will know anything and others have to spoon-feed you and wash you > etc - in short, you will get locked of in a mental asylum which anyway is > the adequate place for people suggesting such crime like the elimination > of > ego. > > Werner > > Square wrong. Basic mistake. What functions without the inner entity > (imagined) is the organism. Stupid, ignorant.....think!!! Geo, before you try to sound like Roberibus you better should hesitate and ponder what you basically wanted to say. Now I ask you, what is the organism without the knowledge accumulated through one's life. Would that organism be able to post here ? Werner That is just what the organism had to learn to survive as an organism and species. No need for an imagined inner separate entity for that. Think. The idea that I must be correct, Imust learn, I must teach, I must judge, I must get aproval, is a acreation absolutely not nescssary for the organism. The organism is a separate unit just as an organism to survive against othere organisms, but those notions I mentioned are " artificial " and created a new inner entity. PS - I fucking behave the way I fickung want to...I have no choice. If I imitate you - THEN CHANGE YOURSELF AND I CHANGE ALSO!!!!!! -ego- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 23/6/2009 08:19:36 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:57 AM > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Werner Woehr > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:00 AM > > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > The *false*: > > > > > > " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . > > > > > > The *true*: > > > > > > " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . > > > > > > Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of > > > this > > > truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > First of all, there is no need to eliminate the ego. But rather a warning: > > Without the ego you no longer can function, you no longer can speak, you > > no > > longer will know anything and others have to spoon-feed you and wash you > > etc - in short, you will get locked of in a mental asylum which anyway is > > the adequate place for people suggesting such crime like the elimination > > of > > ego. > > > > Werner > > > > Square wrong. Basic mistake. What functions without the inner entity > > (imagined) is the organism. Stupid, ignorant.....think!!! > > Geo, before you try to sound like Roberibus you better should hesitate and > ponder what you basically wanted to say. > > Now I ask you, what is the organism without the knowledge accumulated > through one's life. Would that organism be able to post here ? > > Werner > > That is just what the organism had to learn to survive as an organism and > species. No need for an imagined inner separate entity for that. Think. > -ego- > Geo, Please stop that arrogant telling me to think. I am thinking all the time. I even can't stop it, similar like a robot. Better tell me not to think You definitely often enought have read that 'body/mind'. There is the organism and the mind is part of it but the knowledge which the mind is using is accumulated. This working of mind and knowledge is what is called the self or ego. And without that self the organimsn cannot survive. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 - Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:30 AM Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:57 AM > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Werner Woehr > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:00 AM > > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of > > ego... > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > The *false*: > > > > > > " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . > > > > > > The *true*: > > > > > > " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . > > > > > > Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of > > > this > > > truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > First of all, there is no need to eliminate the ego. But rather a > > warning: > > Without the ego you no longer can function, you no longer can speak, you > > no > > longer will know anything and others have to spoon-feed you and wash you > > etc - in short, you will get locked of in a mental asylum which anyway > > is > > the adequate place for people suggesting such crime like the elimination > > of > > ego. > > > > Werner > > > > Square wrong. Basic mistake. What functions without the inner entity > > (imagined) is the organism. Stupid, ignorant.....think!!! > > Geo, before you try to sound like Roberibus you better should hesitate and > ponder what you basically wanted to say. > > Now I ask you, what is the organism without the knowledge accumulated > through one's life. Would that organism be able to post here ? > > Werner > > That is just what the organism had to learn to survive as an organism and > species. No need for an imagined inner separate entity for that. Think. > -ego- > Geo, Please stop that arrogant telling me to think. I am thinking all the time. I even can't stop it, similar like a robot. Better tell me not to think You definitely often enought have read that 'body/mind'. There is the organism and the mind is part of it but the knowledge which the mind is using is accumulated. This working of mind and knowledge is what is called the self or ego. And without that self the organimsn cannot survive. Werner The organism can not suirvive indeed. but what are we talking off here? the need to recognise space, time, smell, taste, touch. All these are necessary for the unit-organsim to orient itself in the jungle of life. That is not the self/ego yet. The primal man in the jungle did not worry about being more simpathetic, or more educated, or more in need for love, etc... The ego is LEARNED in this life, some time after, later, then birth of the baby. The inner entity is constructed by the intelect. -ego- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 23/6/2009 08:36:07 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 - " geo " <inandor <Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:56 AM Re: Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:30 AM > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: >> >> >> - >> Werner Woehr >> Nisargadatta >> Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:57 AM >> Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of >> ego... >> >> >> >> >> >> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: >> > >> > >> > - >> > Werner Woehr >> > Nisargadatta >> > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:00 AM >> > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of >> > ego... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: >> > > >> > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: >> > > >> > > The *false*: >> > > >> > > " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . >> > > >> > > The *true*: >> > > >> > > " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . >> > > >> > > Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of >> > > this >> > > truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. >> > > >> > > --- End forwarded message --- >> > > >> > >> > First of all, there is no need to eliminate the ego. But rather a >> > warning: >> > Without the ego you no longer can function, you no longer can speak, >> > you >> > no >> > longer will know anything and others have to spoon-feed you and wash >> > you >> > etc - in short, you will get locked of in a mental asylum which anyway >> > is >> > the adequate place for people suggesting such crime like the >> > elimination >> > of >> > ego. >> > >> > Werner >> > >> > Square wrong. Basic mistake. What functions without the inner entity >> > (imagined) is the organism. Stupid, ignorant.....think!!! >> >> Geo, before you try to sound like Roberibus you better should hesitate >> and >> ponder what you basically wanted to say. >> >> Now I ask you, what is the organism without the knowledge accumulated >> through one's life. Would that organism be able to post here ? >> >> Werner >> >> That is just what the organism had to learn to survive as an organism and >> species. No need for an imagined inner separate entity for that. Think. >> -ego- >> > > Geo, > > Please stop that arrogant telling me to think. I am thinking all the time. > I even can't stop it, similar like a robot. Better tell me not to think > > You definitely often enought have read that 'body/mind'. There is the > organism and the mind is part of it but the knowledge which the mind is > using is accumulated. This working of mind and knowledge is what is called > the self or ego. > > And without that self the organimsn cannot survive. > > Werner > > The organism can not suirvive indeed. but what are we talking off here? > the need to recognise space, time, smell, taste, touch. All these are > necessary for the unit-organsim to orient itself in the jungle of life. > That is not the self/ego yet. The primal man in the jungle did not worry > about being more simpathetic, or more educated, or more in need for love, > etc... The ego is LEARNED in this life, some time after, later, then birth > of the baby. The inner entity is constructed by the intelect. Take yourself. You get hurt, you feel miss-treated, you feel righteous...and gets pissed off when contradicted to the point that there is no spece for anything new. You have judged people around you as all being bellow werner to the point that nothing, absolutely nothing comming from them is assimilated. That is the ego. > -ego- > > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 > Tested on: 23/6/2009 08:36:07 > avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:30 AM > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Werner Woehr > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:57 AM > > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Werner Woehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:00 AM > > > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of > > > ego... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The *false*: > > > > > > > > " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . > > > > > > > > The *true*: > > > > > > > > " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . > > > > > > > > Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of > > > > this > > > > truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > First of all, there is no need to eliminate the ego. But rather a > > > warning: > > > Without the ego you no longer can function, you no longer can speak, you > > > no > > > longer will know anything and others have to spoon-feed you and wash you > > > etc - in short, you will get locked of in a mental asylum which anyway > > > is > > > the adequate place for people suggesting such crime like the elimination > > > of > > > ego. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Square wrong. Basic mistake. What functions without the inner entity > > > (imagined) is the organism. Stupid, ignorant.....think!!! > > > > Geo, before you try to sound like Roberibus you better should hesitate and > > ponder what you basically wanted to say. > > > > Now I ask you, what is the organism without the knowledge accumulated > > through one's life. Would that organism be able to post here ? > > > > Werner > > > > That is just what the organism had to learn to survive as an organism and > > species. No need for an imagined inner separate entity for that. Think. > > -ego- > > > > Geo, > > Please stop that arrogant telling me to think. I am thinking all the time. I > even can't stop it, similar like a robot. Better tell me not to think > > You definitely often enought have read that 'body/mind'. There is the > organism and the mind is part of it but the knowledge which the mind is > using is accumulated. This working of mind and knowledge is what is called > the self or ego. > > And without that self the organimsn cannot survive. > > Werner > > The organism can not suirvive indeed. but what are we talking off here? the > need to recognise space, time, smell, taste, touch. All these are necessary > for the unit-organsim to orient itself in the jungle of life. That is not > the self/ego yet. The primal man in the jungle did not worry about being > more simpathetic, or more educated, or more in need for love, etc... The ego > is LEARNED in this life, some time after, later, then birth of the baby. The > inner entity is constructed by the intelect. > -ego- > The primal man in the djungle was not different from you and me, Geo. Just his accumulated knowledge helping him to orient in his enviromnent was different. His knowledge was him, like your today knowledge is you today. Or would you say you are your body, your organism ? No you wouldn't because you know that what makes " you " is your subjective private accumalted knowledge. And because this accumulated knowledge is the reflection of your world it is justified to say you are that world, your are the reflection of that world. Without that world or 'you' you won't be able to survive. The organism cannot survive without that knowledge which is 'you'. Werner > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 > Tested on: 23/6/2009 08:36:07 > avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 - Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:09 AM Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:30 AM > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Werner Woehr > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:57 AM > > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of > > ego... > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Werner Woehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:00 AM > > > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of > > > ego... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The *false*: > > > > > > > > " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . > > > > > > > > The *true*: > > > > > > > > " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . > > > > > > > > Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of > > > > this > > > > truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > First of all, there is no need to eliminate the ego. But rather a > > > warning: > > > Without the ego you no longer can function, you no longer can speak, > > > you > > > no > > > longer will know anything and others have to spoon-feed you and wash > > > you > > > etc - in short, you will get locked of in a mental asylum which anyway > > > is > > > the adequate place for people suggesting such crime like the > > > elimination > > > of > > > ego. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Square wrong. Basic mistake. What functions without the inner entity > > > (imagined) is the organism. Stupid, ignorant.....think!!! > > > > Geo, before you try to sound like Roberibus you better should hesitate > > and > > ponder what you basically wanted to say. > > > > Now I ask you, what is the organism without the knowledge accumulated > > through one's life. Would that organism be able to post here ? > > > > Werner > > > > That is just what the organism had to learn to survive as an organism > > and > > species. No need for an imagined inner separate entity for that. Think. > > -ego- > > > > Geo, > > Please stop that arrogant telling me to think. I am thinking all the time. > I > even can't stop it, similar like a robot. Better tell me not to think > > You definitely often enought have read that 'body/mind'. There is the > organism and the mind is part of it but the knowledge which the mind is > using is accumulated. This working of mind and knowledge is what is called > the self or ego. > > And without that self the organimsn cannot survive. > > Werner > > The organism can not suirvive indeed. but what are we talking off here? > the > need to recognise space, time, smell, taste, touch. All these are > necessary > for the unit-organsim to orient itself in the jungle of life. That is not > the self/ego yet. The primal man in the jungle did not worry about being > more simpathetic, or more educated, or more in need for love, etc... The > ego > is LEARNED in this life, some time after, later, then birth of the baby. > The > inner entity is constructed by the intelect. > -ego- > The primal man in the djungle was not different from you and me, Geo. Just his accumulated knowledge helping him to orient in his enviromnent was different. His knowledge was him, like your today knowledge is you today. Or would you say you are your body, your organism ? No you wouldn't because you know that what makes " you " is your subjective private accumalted knowledge. geo> I am not the body, and I am not the accumulated knowledge because those are " observable " things. That is why they are called as objective. How can I be something that can be observed? === And because this accumulated knowledge is the reflection of your world it is justified to say you are that world, your are the reflection of that world. Without that world or 'you' you won't be able to survive. The organism cannot survive without that knowledge which is 'you'. geo> I am the world and the world is me is just one pole of the stick. The stick is dynamic. The other end of the stick is understood when you ask the question who am I, AFTER YOU HAVE REALIZED THAT YOU ARE THE WORLD. If the world is also observable then I amnot that either. -ego- Werner > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 > Tested on: 23/6/2009 08:36:07 > avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 23/6/2009 09:15:00 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:22 AM Re: Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... - Werner Woehr Nisargadatta Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:09 AM Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:30 AM > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Werner Woehr > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:57 AM > > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of > > ego... > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Werner Woehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:00 AM > > > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of > > > ego... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The *false*: > > > > > > > > " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . > > > > > > > > The *true*: > > > > > > > > " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . > > > > > > > > Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of > > > > this > > > > truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > First of all, there is no need to eliminate the ego. But rather a > > > warning: > > > Without the ego you no longer can function, you no longer can speak, > > > you > > > no > > > longer will know anything and others have to spoon-feed you and wash > > > you > > > etc - in short, you will get locked of in a mental asylum which anyway > > > is > > > the adequate place for people suggesting such crime like the > > > elimination > > > of > > > ego. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Square wrong. Basic mistake. What functions without the inner entity > > > (imagined) is the organism. Stupid, ignorant.....think!!! > > > > Geo, before you try to sound like Roberibus you better should hesitate > > and > > ponder what you basically wanted to say. > > > > Now I ask you, what is the organism without the knowledge accumulated > > through one's life. Would that organism be able to post here ? > > > > Werner > > > > That is just what the organism had to learn to survive as an organism > > and > > species. No need for an imagined inner separate entity for that. Think. > > -ego- > > > > Geo, > > Please stop that arrogant telling me to think. I am thinking all the time. > I > even can't stop it, similar like a robot. Better tell me not to think > > You definitely often enought have read that 'body/mind'. There is the > organism and the mind is part of it but the knowledge which the mind is > using is accumulated. This working of mind and knowledge is what is called > the self or ego. > > And without that self the organimsn cannot survive. > > Werner > > The organism can not suirvive indeed. but what are we talking off here? > the > need to recognise space, time, smell, taste, touch. All these are > necessary > for the unit-organsim to orient itself in the jungle of life. That is not > the self/ego yet. The primal man in the jungle did not worry about being > more simpathetic, or more educated, or more in need for love, etc... The > ego > is LEARNED in this life, some time after, later, then birth of the baby. > The > inner entity is constructed by the intelect. > -ego- > The primal man in the djungle was not different from you and me, Geo. Just his accumulated knowledge helping him to orient in his enviromnent was different. His knowledge was him, like your today knowledge is you today. Or would you say you are your body, your organism ? No you wouldn't because you know that what makes " you " is your subjective private accumalted knowledge. geo> I am not the body, and I am not the accumulated knowledge because those are " observable " things. That is why they are called as objective. How can I be something that can be observed? === And because this accumulated knowledge is the reflection of your world it is justified to say you are that world, your are the reflection of that world. Without that world or 'you' you won't be able to survive. The organism cannot survive without that knowledge which is 'you'. geo> I am the world and the world is me is just one pole of the stick. The stick is dynamic. The other end of the stick is understood when you ask the question who am I, AFTER YOU HAVE REALIZED THAT YOU ARE THE WORLD. If the world is also observable then I amnot that either. But one can not STAY being nothing. Staying nothing is just a claim of wanabe-ness, something must happen. Then immediatly I am everything. Not because I choose to. -ego- Werner > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 > Tested on: 23/6/2009 08:36:07 > avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 23/6/2009 09:15:00 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 23/6/2009 09:27:56 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Werner Woehr > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:09 AM > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Werner Woehr > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 8:30 AM > > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of ego... > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Werner Woehr > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 7:57 AM > > > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of > > > ego... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Werner Woehr > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:00 AM > > > > Re: Fwd: True, false and the elimination of > > > > ego... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The *false*: > > > > > > > > > > " Others are themselves, and to them I am myself " . > > > > > > > > > > The *true*: > > > > > > > > > > " Others are myself, and to them I am themselves " . > > > > > > > > > > Ponder the above, see if it applies in daily life. A clear seeing of > > > > > this > > > > > truth is enough to eliminate the ego altogether. > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all, there is no need to eliminate the ego. But rather a > > > > warning: > > > > Without the ego you no longer can function, you no longer can speak, > > > > you > > > > no > > > > longer will know anything and others have to spoon-feed you and wash > > > > you > > > > etc - in short, you will get locked of in a mental asylum which anyway > > > > is > > > > the adequate place for people suggesting such crime like the > > > > elimination > > > > of > > > > ego. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Square wrong. Basic mistake. What functions without the inner entity > > > > (imagined) is the organism. Stupid, ignorant.....think!!! > > > > > > Geo, before you try to sound like Roberibus you better should hesitate > > > and > > > ponder what you basically wanted to say. > > > > > > Now I ask you, what is the organism without the knowledge accumulated > > > through one's life. Would that organism be able to post here ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > That is just what the organism had to learn to survive as an organism > > > and > > > species. No need for an imagined inner separate entity for that. Think. > > > -ego- > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > Please stop that arrogant telling me to think. I am thinking all the time. > > I > > even can't stop it, similar like a robot. Better tell me not to think > > > > You definitely often enought have read that 'body/mind'. There is the > > organism and the mind is part of it but the knowledge which the mind is > > using is accumulated. This working of mind and knowledge is what is called > > the self or ego. > > > > And without that self the organimsn cannot survive. > > > > Werner > > > > The organism can not suirvive indeed. but what are we talking off here? > > the > > need to recognise space, time, smell, taste, touch. All these are > > necessary > > for the unit-organsim to orient itself in the jungle of life. That is not > > the self/ego yet. The primal man in the jungle did not worry about being > > more simpathetic, or more educated, or more in need for love, etc... The > > ego > > is LEARNED in this life, some time after, later, then birth of the baby. > > The > > inner entity is constructed by the intelect. > > -ego- > > > > The primal man in the djungle was not different from you and me, Geo. > > Just his accumulated knowledge helping him to orient in his enviromnent was > different. His knowledge was him, like your today knowledge is you today. Or > would you say you are your body, your organism ? No you wouldn't because you > know that what makes " you " is your subjective private accumalted knowledge. > > geo> I am not the body, and I am not the accumulated knowledge because those > are " observable " things. That is why they are called as objective. How can I > be something that can be observed? Geo, YOU are consciousness. And consciousness is totally subjective and in no way objective. Why is that ? Because the brain is analyzing and comparing new sensations with old ones already stored in memory and after that process the result is made conscious. And this result now is YOU presented as a consciousness which is highly shaped and formed by the past. This past is your past and is not my past. They are totally different. That is why you are consciousness. > === > And because this accumulated knowledge is the reflection of your world it is > justified to say you are that world, your are the reflection of that world. > Without that world or 'you' you won't be able to survive. The organism > cannot survive without that knowledge which is 'you'. > > geo> I am the world and the world is me is just one pole of the stick. The > stick is dynamic. The other end of the stick is understood when you ask the > question who am I, AFTER YOU HAVE REALIZED THAT YOU ARE THE WORLD. If the > world is also observable then I amnot that either. > -ego- Ok, Geo then do ask that 'WHO AM I' !!! Have you found the answer ? The answer is: You are consciousness. The I AM and consciousness is one and the same thing or if you like a 'dynamic process'. But this dynamic process is restricted by the way the brain is creating consciousness. It is restricted by your past memory. > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > > Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 > > Tested on: 23/6/2009 08:36:07 > > avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > > > > avast! 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Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > But one can not STAY being nothing. Staying nothing is just a claim of > wanabe-ness, something must happen. Then immediatly I am everything. Not > because I choose to. > -ego- yes, the nothing is the everything. and, there isn't movement from the nothing to the everything. nothing doesn't move. so it also doesn't remain. not moving, not becoming, not remaining as nothing. nothing ... everything. in everything there is movement. there is nothing in nothing to move. there is nothing here for the mind to grasp. it's not a matter of wannabe's and those who know. there is literally no one here to know, and nothing to be known. This unknowability is everything. - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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