Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 (As if there were such a duality, order/chaos!) > > Interesting article about how order > and random chaotic neuron electrical > discharges interact in the brain to > spread information and create intelligent > behavior. > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227141.200-disorderly-genius-how-chaos-d\ \ > rives-the-brain.html?full=true > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > (As if there were such a duality, order/chaos!) and not asking if they What would you prefer, having the same thoughts day for day and year for year, as for example nodualist when repeating their same non-dual chantings as soon as they meet something not fitting into their non-dual ideology which they chew and re-chew day-in an day-out, or better have some new thoughts which are appearing out of the blue from nowhere without asking if they may enter ? Werner > > > > Interesting article about how order > > and random chaotic neuron electrical > > discharges interact in the brain to > > spread information and create intelligent > > behavior. > > > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227141.200-disorderly-genius-how-chaos-d\ \ > > rives-the-brain.html?full=true > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > (As if there were such a duality, order/chaos!) and not asking if they > > What would you prefer, having the same thoughts day for day and year for year, as for example nodualist when repeating their same non-dual chantings as soon as they meet something not fitting into their non-dual ideology which they chew and re-chew day-in an day-out, or better have some new thoughts which are appearing out of the blue from nowhere without asking if they may enter ? > > Werner P: Hey W, What he is saying is: Please, don't confuse me with facts. I'm happy with my belief. ) > > > > > > > > Interesting article about how order > > > and random chaotic neuron electrical > > > discharges interact in the brain to > > > spread information and create intelligent > > > behavior. > > > > > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227141.200-disorderly-genius-how-chaos-d\ \ > > > rives-the-brain.html?full=true > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > (As if there were such a duality, order/chaos!) and not asking if they > > What would you prefer, having the same thoughts day for day and > year for year, as for example nodualist when repeating their same > non-dual chantings as soon as they meet something not fitting into > their non-dual ideology which they chew and re-chew day-in an day- > out, From here, 'nonduality talk' is only worth while if coming from awareness, from one's own direct insight into life and 'oneself'. Otherwise it's all worthless crap, like discussing whether Sally f*cked David or Sammy on the daytime soap opera TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:04 PM Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > (As if there were such a duality, order/chaos!) and not asking if they > > What would you prefer, having the same thoughts day for day and > year for year, as for example nodualist when repeating their same > non-dual chantings as soon as they meet something not fitting into > their > non-dual ideology which they chew and re-chew day-in an day- > out, From here, 'nonduality talk' is only worth while if coming from awareness, from one's own direct insight into life and 'oneself'. Otherwise it's all worthless crap, like discussing whether Sally f*cked David or Sammy on the daytime soap opera TV. -t- 'Nonduality talk' is when the words the world and seeing are one - as present unbounded action. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > 'Nonduality talk' is when the words the world and seeing are one - as > present unbounded action. > -geo- Does it seem that way to you -- that the words, the world and seeing are one, as present unbounded action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:33 PM Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > 'Nonduality talk' is when the words the world and seeing are one - as > present unbounded action. > -geo- Does it seem that way to you -- that the words, the world and seeing are one, as present unbounded action? -tim- As long as you keep asking questions for others you will not see it. But...it should not " seem " that way..that's not enough. -tim2- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Saturday, July 04, 2009 4:33 PM > Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > 'Nonduality talk' is when the words the world and seeing are one - as > > present unbounded action. > > -geo- > > Does it seem that way to you -- that the words, the world and seeing are > one, as present unbounded action? > -tim- > > As long as you keep asking questions for others you will not see > it. As long as you keep telling others that, you will not see it. No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 LOL I had an uncle who started behaving just like that...then we had to call the doctors. -ego- === > > 'Nonduality talk' is when the words the world and seeing are one - as > > present unbounded action. > > -geo- > > Does it seem that way to you -- that the words, the world and seeing are > one, as present unbounded action? > -tim- > > As long as you keep asking questions for others you will not see > it. As long as you keep telling others that, you will not see it. No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! No, you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > LOL > I had an uncle who started behaving just like that...then we had to call the > doctors. > -ego- Well, that's how the self is maintained, through 'other'. " No, you! No, it's you! No, it's you! " In this way, the self is both created and avoided. (p.s. now it's your turn to say " do YOU know that? " chuckle ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > LOL > I had an uncle who started behaving just like that...then we had to call the > doctors. > -ego- P: Yeah, poor Tim. He's gone insane, bunkers, raving mad, that's why he was committed to this Niz list. But think of it, you hold long talks with him, eh? )) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > LOL > > I had an uncle who started behaving just like that...then we had to call the > > doctors. > > -ego- > > P: Yeah, poor Tim. He's gone insane, bunkers, raving > mad, that's why he was committed to this Niz list. But > think of it, you hold long talks with him, eh? )) Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh yabba dabba dooooo doobie doobie blegh blargh blugh bloog blog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:44 PM Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > LOL > I had an uncle who started behaving just like that...then we had to call > the > doctors. > -ego- Well, that's how the self is maintained, through 'other'. " No, you! No, it's you! No, it's you! " In this way, the self is both created and avoided. (p.s. now it's your turn to say " do YOU know that? " chuckle ;-). -t- I think the " reversing game " you invented is really not something you should go on with, and I mean it. First you have to invent a ME inside then dislodge it to some outside then consider a YOU somewhere outside and bring it in to some inside. It is this very dynamics that is making you move in a pendulum fashion when you try to dialogue with me. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:50 PM Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > LOL > I had an uncle who started behaving just like that...then we had to call > the > doctors. > -ego- P: Yeah, poor Tim. He's gone insane, bunkers, raving mad, that's why he was committed to this Niz list. But think of it, you hold long talks with him, eh? )) geo> I know....but for some reason I enjoy it... LOL LOL Should I start to get worried? Please let me know when the time comes..... -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:52 PM Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > LOL > > I had an uncle who started behaving just like that...then we had to call > > the > > doctors. > > -ego- > > P: Yeah, poor Tim. He's gone insane, bunkers, raving > mad, that's why he was committed to this Niz list. But > think of it, you hold long talks with him, eh? )) Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh yabba dabba dooooo doobie doobie blegh blargh blugh bloog blog -t- Good...that is much better...more apropriate... -ego- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:44 PM > Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > LOL > > I had an uncle who started behaving just like that...then we had to call > > the > > doctors. > > -ego- > > Well, that's how the self is maintained, through 'other'. > > " No, you! No, it's you! No, it's you! " > > In this way, the self is both created and avoided. > > (p.s. now it's your turn to say " do YOU know that? " chuckle ;-). > -t- > > I think the " reversing game " you invented is really not something you should > go on with, and I mean it. First you have to invent a ME inside then > dislodge it to some outside then consider a YOU somewhere outside and bring > it in to some inside. It is this very dynamics that is making you move in a > pendulum fashion when you try to dialogue with me. > -geo- Look... what you perceive when the words appear 'on your end' is your affair. You are clueless to know 'what was intended' on the other end -- only your own perception is clear. And that perception is instead being placed 'out there' onto 'other', which is the mistake being made over and over and over again. Not that it's any of my business, really, but I will continue to point it out over and over again, because it's just too obvious. All is your own perception. And " your own perception " is not anyone else's business but yours. Now, go ahead and accuse me of doing what I said above. To immediately place everything onto " other " is an inveterate habit, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:50 PM > Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > LOL > > I had an uncle who started behaving just like that...then we had to call > > the > > doctors. > > -ego- > > P: Yeah, poor Tim. He's gone insane, bunkers, raving > mad, that's why he was committed to this Niz list. But > think of it, you hold long talks with him, eh? )) > > geo> I know....but for some reason I enjoy it... LOL LOL Enjoying 'oneself' is fine... both self and other are mental constructs happening in the same 'location'. If I am 'myself', and you are 'myself'... where is myself? There is none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, July 04, 2009 6:09 PM Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:44 PM > Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > LOL > > I had an uncle who started behaving just like that...then we had to call > > the > > doctors. > > -ego- > > Well, that's how the self is maintained, through 'other'. > > " No, you! No, it's you! No, it's you! " > > In this way, the self is both created and avoided. > > (p.s. now it's your turn to say " do YOU know that? " chuckle ;-). > -t- > > I think the " reversing game " you invented is really not something you > should > go on with, and I mean it. First you have to invent a ME inside then > dislodge it to some outside then consider a YOU somewhere outside and > bring > it in to some inside. It is this very dynamics that is making you move in > a > pendulum fashion when you try to dialogue with me. > -geo- Look... what you perceive when the words appear 'on your end' is your affair. You are clueless to know 'what was intended' on the other end -- only your own perception is clear. And that perception is instead being placed 'out there' onto 'other', which is the mistake being made over and over and over again. Not that it's any of my business, really, but I will continue to point it out over and over again, because it's just too obvious. All is your own perception. And " your own perception " is not anyone else's business but yours. Now, go ahead and accuse me of doing what I said above. To immediately place everything onto " other " is an inveterate habit, apparently. -tim- Not exactly tim. I think you are overdoing it by saying " you are clueless to know 'what was intended' on the other end " . It is not that difficult to recognise conceptual thinking - and that is the same as recognising that the other is avoiding to see the widest field. The thing is that the dynamics is not to forcefully " yell " at the other to look at himself as a machine, but to find ways to point the way back, away from conceptual thinking (at BOTH sides) which is the same as being oneself. It is an art!! And it can be learned and improved. Not everyone can do it. That is whay many stay silent - they just know that it is not their best skill to talk. And I am not suggesting anything about tim here... This " recognising " is not samething static as one sees the keyboard. It is more like walking together (sorry for paraphrazing someone). If there is a convergence towards the non-personal then the thing is going in the right direction, otherwise something is wrong.... Keep repeating " dont ask others " ad nauseum is....nauseating and inefective. Ugly art. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, July 04, 2009 6:49 PM Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:50 PM > Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > LOL > > I had an uncle who started behaving just like that...then we had to call > > the > > doctors. > > -ego- > > P: Yeah, poor Tim. He's gone insane, bunkers, raving > mad, that's why he was committed to this Niz list. But > think of it, you hold long talks with him, eh? )) > > geo> I know....but for some reason I enjoy it... LOL LOL Enjoying 'oneself' is fine... both self and other are mental constructs happening in the same 'location'. If I am 'myself', and you are 'myself'... where is myself? There is none. -tim- Yes, beatifull. It is an art that paradoxicaly involves all there is...including the " conceptual other " . Suddenly my words and the words I read point to the same infinity. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, July 04, 2009 6:49 PM Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > cerosoul > Nisargadatta > Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:50 PM > Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > LOL > > I had an uncle who started behaving just like that...then we had to call > > the > > doctors. > > -ego- > > P: Yeah, poor Tim. He's gone insane, bunkers, raving > mad, that's why he was committed to this Niz list. But > think of it, you hold long talks with him, eh? )) > > geo> I know....but for some reason I enjoy it... LOL LOL Enjoying 'oneself' is fine... both self and other are mental constructs happening in the same 'location'. If I am 'myself', and you are 'myself'... where is myself? There is none. -t- Let me look at this again. There is no ME, which means that I am not immersed in concepts, I am not identified with thought. But the words I am reading point to the fact that there is defensiveness, or fear, or avoidance. There is no conceptual center here...but there may be there!! There is no such thing as a real center, but there is the behaviour as if there was one and this behaviour is recognised as identification with thought/concepts through the words I read. This identificatoin leads to illusion, conflict and unhappiness. There is no real center anywhere...but there is the illusion of there being one. What is wrong with this? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Not exactly tim. I think you are overdoing it by saying " you are > clueless to > know 'what was intended' on the other end " . Speaking for myself (i.e. in my own experience), I'm not exaggerating at all. > It is not that difficult to > recognise conceptual thinking - Yes - one's own. Which is all one is recognizing, right now, when reading this text.... period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Saturday, July 04, 2009 6:49 PM > Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > cerosoul > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, July 04, 2009 5:50 PM > > Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > LOL > > > I had an uncle who started behaving just like that...then we had to call > > > the > > > doctors. > > > -ego- > > > > P: Yeah, poor Tim. He's gone insane, bunkers, raving > > mad, that's why he was committed to this Niz list. But > > think of it, you hold long talks with him, eh? )) > > > > geo> I know....but for some reason I enjoy it... LOL LOL > > Enjoying 'oneself' is fine... both self and other are mental constructs > happening in the same 'location'. > > If I am 'myself', and you are 'myself'... where is myself? There is none. > -tim- > > Yes, beatifull. It is an art that paradoxicaly involves all there > is...including the " conceptual other " . Suddenly my words and the words I > read point to the same infinity. > -geo- Hey, excellent :-). Nice to hear that not everything said here is gibberish ;-). Peace... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Saturday, July 04, 2009 8:14 PM Re: Chaos & the Brain (duality) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Not exactly tim. I think you are overdoing it by saying " you are > clueless to > know 'what was intended' on the other end " . Speaking for myself (i.e. in my own experience), I'm not exaggerating at all. > It is not that difficult to > recognise conceptual thinking - Yes - one's own. Which is all one is recognizing, right now, when reading this text.... period. -t- You own thinking? That is all? Are you really serious? The words you are reading where NOT chosen by your mind. They where writen by geo!!! Your reactions..the very words you will answer to these words depend on them: geo's brain, geo's organism (and yours). Is this not clear? I guess not... Tim, you are the totality of the world that reach your senses now, BUT YOU ARE NOT THE TOTALITY OF THE UNIVERSE. You are a drop in the ocean, not the whole ocean! You are conversing with a mind in another organism called geo, not in your own organism! We are humanity but are different concerning details of our localized separate brains. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > You own thinking? That is all? Are you really serious? The words you are > reading where NOT chosen by your mind. They where writen by geo!!! It matters not. Interpretation is all. 100%. P.S. no " self " writes anything, nor does any " self " read anything. > Tim, you are the totality of the world that reach your senses now, > > BUT YOU > ARE NOT THE TOTALITY OF THE UNIVERSE. I am one with the universe, and the universe is one. This is obvious here, but when " Tim " is being addressed (as if a named self-image existed as something real), apparently it's not obvious everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Let me look at this again. There is no ME, which means that I am not > immersed in concepts, I am not identified with thought. You are concept. You are thought. > But the words I am > reading point to the fact that there is defensiveness, or fear, or > avoidance. There is no conceptual center here...but there may be > there!! Wherever anyone feels a conceptual center to be around, it's *always* " here " . Dan: " There is only ego seeing ego " . If you see ego in me, it's your own ego. People rarely/never sees ego in themselves. Ego is always seen in " other " . And it's always the seer's ego. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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