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Q: Is there a difference between the observer and the observed?

 

J.K.: We are so conditioned, so heavily burdened with the past, with all our

knowledge, information, how can the mind be spontaneous? Can the mind observe

its activity without prejudice, which means without images?

 

When there is a division between the observer and the observed there is

conflict, but when the observer is the observed there is no control, no

suppression. The self comes to an end. Duality comes to an end. Conflict comes

to an end.

 

This is the greatest meditation, to come upon this extraordinary thing, for the

mind to discover for itself the observer is the observed.

 

2nd Public Dialogue, Brockwood Park, England, 6th Sept. 1973

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Monday, July 06, 2009 8:12 AM

J. Krishnamurti Quote

 

 

 

 

 

Q: Is there a difference between the observer and the observed?

 

J.K.: We are so conditioned, so heavily burdened with the past, with all our

knowledge, information, how can the mind be spontaneous? Can the mind

observe its activity without prejudice, which means without images?

 

When there is a division between the observer and the observed there is

conflict, but when the observer is the observed there is no control, no

suppression. The self comes to an end. Duality comes to an end. Conflict

comes to an end.

 

This is the greatest meditation, to come upon this extraordinary thing, for

the mind to discover for itself the observer is the observed.

 

2nd Public Dialogue, Brockwood Park, England, 6th Sept. 1973

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And still...cars, dogs, trees, chairs, hot-dogs....and several organisms

alive. Some have already disintegrated...

- geo, nth message, nisargadatta list, 06/jul/2009-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> 2nd Public Dialogue, Brockwood Park, England, 6th Sept. 1973

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> And still...cars, dogs, trees, chairs, hot-dogs....and several

> organisms

> alive.

 

Funny... I see only a computer screen. No cars, no dogs, no trees, no chairs

and no hot dogs. But then, some only see their own thoughts, apparently.

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Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch wrote:

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> Q: Is there a difference between the observer and the observed?

>

> J.K.: We are so conditioned, so heavily burdened with the past, with all our

knowledge, information, how can the mind be spontaneous? Can the mind observe

its activity without prejudice, which means without images?

>

> When there is a division between the observer and the observed there is

conflict, but when the observer is the observed there is no control, no

suppression. The self comes to an end. Duality comes to an end. Conflict comes

to an end.

>

> This is the greatest meditation, to come upon this extraordinary thing, for

the mind to discover for itself the observer is the observed.

>

> 2nd Public Dialogue, Brockwood Park, England, 6th Sept. 1973

>

 

 

Thanks for that K quote, Omkara.

 

Because his statement often was misunderstood K once explainded during a talk:

When you look at this microphone then you definitely are not the mike, how

stupid, but what your mind does assoziate and interpret about the mike is the

observer.

 

In a similar way K explained that the analizer is the analized. When analizing a

person then then analizer is not that person itself (how stupid) but the

analizer is his analysis and that is the whole point. The analizer in no way is

different from his analysis - he IS that analysis but he is not the person who

got analized.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

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> Thanks for that K quote, Omkara.

>

> Because his statement often was misunderstood K once explainded during a talk:

When you look at this microphone then you definitely are not the mike, how

stupid, but what your mind does assoziate and

> interpret about the mike is the observer.

 

Sounds more like U.G., but OK.

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks for that K quote, Omkara.

> >

> > Because his statement often was misunderstood K once explainded during a

talk: When you look at this microphone then you definitely are not the mike, how

stupid, but what your mind does assoziate and

> > interpret about the mike is the observer.

>

> Sounds more like U.G., but OK.

>

 

Tim,

 

UG himself explained that 80% of his teaching was from the 'other K'.

 

Therefore reading UG will nicely clarify some of K's statements which again and

again got misunderstood.

 

Werner

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Monday, July 06, 2009 8:52 AM

Re: J. Krishnamurti Quote

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Thanks for that K quote, Omkara.

>

> Because his statement often was misunderstood K once explainded during a

> talk: When you look at this microphone then you definitely are not the

> mike, how stupid, but what your mind does assoziate and

> interpret about the mike is the observer.

 

Sounds more like U.G., but OK.

-t-

 

And what if it was not UG but Jiddu himself? What will you say?

-geo-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tim G.

Nisargadatta

Monday, July 06, 2009 8:52 AM

Re: J. Krishnamurti Quote

 

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Thanks for that K quote, Omkara.

>

> Because his statement often was misunderstood K once explainded during a

> talk: When you look at this microphone then you definitely are not the

> mike, how stupid, but what your mind does assoziate and

> interpret about the mike is the observer.

 

Sounds more like U.G., but OK.

-t-

 

And what if it was not UG but Jiddu himself? What will you say?

No, this is stupid. Disscussing quotes, comments made form anothers comment

about another comment...lets drop that.

-geo-

 

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks for that K quote, Omkara.

> > >

> > > Because his statement often was misunderstood K once explainded during a

talk: When you look at this microphone then you definitely are not the mike, how

stupid, but what your mind does assoziate and

> > > interpret about the mike is the observer.

> >

> > Sounds more like U.G., but OK.

> >

>

> Tim,

>

> UG himself explained that 80% of his teaching was from the 'other K'.

>

> Therefore reading UG will nicely clarify some of K's statements which again

and again got misunderstood.

>

> Werner

 

Well, I've pretty much read every word of U.G.'s stuff in the past, for whatever

it's worth.

 

And it's not worth anything, Werner. I'm not in competition with anyone here

knowledge-wise. That would be like competing with myself, which would be very

silly ;-).

 

Peace

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for that K quote, Omkara.

> > > >

> > > > Because his statement often was misunderstood K once explainded during a

talk: When you look at this microphone then you definitely are not the mike, how

stupid, but what your mind does assoziate and

> > > > interpret about the mike is the observer.

> > >

> > > Sounds more like U.G., but OK.

> > >

> >

> > Tim,

> >

> > UG himself explained that 80% of his teaching was from the 'other K'.

> >

> > Therefore reading UG will nicely clarify some of K's statements which again

and again got misunderstood.

> >

> > Werner

>

> Well, I've pretty much read every word of U.G.'s stuff in the past, for

whatever it's worth.

>

> And it's not worth anything, Werner. I'm not in competition with anyone here

knowledge-wise. That would be like competing with myself, which would be very

silly ;-).

>

> Peace

>

 

 

Ok, Ok, Tim,

 

I did not suspect you to compete with anyone here. But nevertheless a question:

If you stick your finger into your nose to clean it then whose nose will be

clean afterwards ?

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

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> Ok, Ok, Tim,

>

> I did not suspect you to compete with anyone here. But nevertheless a >

question: If you stick your finger into your nose to clean it then

 

It's an interesting focus, on noses... " If you pick your nose " ... " if someone

punches you in the nose " ... etc. I guess Bob has a focus on " asses " , rear ends,

maybe the two of you could converse (chuckle ;-).

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Ok, Ok, Tim,

> >

> > I did not suspect you to compete with anyone here. But nevertheless a >

question: If you stick your finger into your nose to clean it then

>

> It's an interesting focus, on noses... " If you pick your nose " ... " if someone

punches you in the nose " ... etc. I guess Bob has a focus on " asses " , rear ends,

maybe the two of you could converse (chuckle ;-).

>

 

 

Because you are me, Tim, and I am you, it is your fixation on noses. And because

you are Bob and Bob is you, it is also your fixation on asses.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Ok, Ok, Tim,

> > >

> > > I did not suspect you to compete with anyone here. But nevertheless a >

question: If you stick your finger into your nose to clean it then

> >

> > It's an interesting focus, on noses... " If you pick your nose " ... " if

someone punches you in the nose " ... etc. I guess Bob has a focus on " asses " ,

rear ends, maybe the two of you could converse (chuckle ;-).

> >

>

>

> Because you are me, Tim, and I am you, it is your fixation on

> noses. And because you are Bob and Bob is you, it is also your

> fixation on asses.

>

> Werner

 

Mm kay.

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Well, I've pretty much read every word of U.G.'s stuff in the past, for

whatever it's worth.

 

And it's not worth anything, Werner. I'm not in competition with anyone here

knowledge-wise. That would be like competing with myself, which would be

very silly ;-).

 

Peace

-tim-

 

Because you are UG and UG is you, you dont worth anything

-ego-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

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> Well, I've pretty much read every word of U.G.'s stuff in the past, for

> whatever it's worth.

>

> And it's not worth anything, Werner. I'm not in competition with anyone here

> knowledge-wise. That would be like competing with myself, which would be

> very silly ;-).

>

> Peace

> -tim-

>

> Because you are UG and UG is you, you dont worth anything

> -ego-

>

 

 

:)

 

Werner

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