Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch wrote: omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > omkaradatta , " nocohere " <nocohere@> wrote: > > > > > > Having read the last posts and quotes it occurred to me earlier today that the most misleading of words is *and*… > > > > > > The examples are endless but I'll stick with one…. > > > > > > You and me > > > > > > Me and you > > > > > > When the mind ignores the *and* they take on a whole new meaning. > > > > > > steve > > > > Past... and... future. > > > > " I have a past and future " > > > > (thought shuttles back and forth rapidly) > > > > Look at me, I'm in the middle of past and future, an " I " center. > > > > Whoops... maybe thoughts/events are just arising, now, and that's all there is. > > > > Without a past or future, what am I? > > P.S. believe it or not... > > Without past or future, without an imaginary center... > > Everything goes on as always. > > Except the imaginary center. It's much like getting deeply involved in a good movie. One forgets one's troubles, for now. Except, the 'now' doesn't have to end when the lights come back on ;-). Isn't it always Now? --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 what is time? is " now " a time component? or is it been used as a dummy argument for time concept in spiritual manner? 2009/7/8 Werner Woehr <wwoehr Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch wrote:>> omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: >> omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote:> >> > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > >> > > omkaradatta , " nocohere " <nocohere@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Having read the last posts and quotes it occurred to me earlier today that the most misleading of words is *and* > > > >> > > > The examples are endless but I'll stick with one .> > > >> > > > You and me> > > >> > > > Me and you> > > > > > > > When the mind ignores the *and* they take on a whole new meaning.> > > >> > > > steve> > >> > > Past... and... future.> > >> > > " I have a past and future " > > >> > > (thought shuttles back and forth rapidly)> > >> > > Look at me, I'm in the middle of past and future, an " I " center.> > >> > > Whoops... maybe thoughts/events are just arising, now, and that's all there is. > > >> > > Without a past or future, what am I?> >> > P.S. believe it or not...> >> > Without past or future, without an imaginary center...> >> > Everything goes on as always. > >> > Except the imaginary center.>> It's much like getting deeply involved in a good movie.>> One forgets one's troubles, for now.>> Except, the 'now' doesn't have to end when the lights come back on ;-).eply >> Isn't it always Now?>> --- End forwarded message --->------- Begin of reply --------Omkara,What is the Now besides consciousness ? In the 'spiritual' world writing and sepaking of the Now is very popular and the base of this pularity is the idea that the Now is free of the past.But sorrow, sadness, pain etc, if you like it or not, are also contents of consciousness and are happening now and so this wonderful idea of a pastless Now is revealed as a bubble or as a delusion. Werner--- **If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups:/mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci wrote: > > what is time? is " now " a time component? Rather, time is a 'now' component. This can't be explained easily, has to be seen directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci@> wrote: > > > > what is time? is " now " a time component? > > Rather, time is a 'now' component. > > This can't be explained easily, has to be seen directly. I'll try and explain a little. It's always " Now " . Time arises as past memory, now, or predictions of the future, now. This always happens now. So, time happens 'now', as memory, as prediction. This is the only reality time has. Past and future are mental categories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 has it to be seen directly " now " as a time component? So time is real, not a construction of mind!!! this is a contradiction to the statement as " time and spece is in mind On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Tim G. <fewtch wrote: Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci wrote:>> what is time? is " now " a time component? Rather, time is a 'now' component.This can't be explained easily, has to be seen directly. -- izzet balci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci wrote: > > has it to be seen directly " now " as a time component? So time is > real, not a > construction of mind!!! No, no. " Now " is *not* a time component. Please read the message I posted immediately prior to this one... thanks :-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 tim " now " is also a mental category what ı am trying to come On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Tim G. <fewtch wrote: Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:>> Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci@> wrote: > >> > what is time? is " now " a time component?> > Rather, time is a 'now' component.> > This can't be explained easily, has to be seen directly. I'll try and explain a little.It's always " Now " . Time arises as past memory, now, or predictions of the future, now. This always happens now. So, time happens 'now', as memory, as prediction. This is the only reality time has. Past and future are mental categories. -- izzet balci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci wrote: > > tim " now " is also a mental category Not the actual Now, only the word 'now' ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 sorry werner, ý am new in such a platforms Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci@> wrote: > > > > what is time? is " now " a time component? or is it been used as a dummy > > argument for time concept in spiritual manner? > > > Don't ask me, Izzet, as Omkara. > > BTW, could you please be so kind and place or insert your replies not at the beginning of your posts but where it belongs to: Behind or inside the text of the poster you are replying to ? > > Thank you ... > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > 2009/7/8 Werner Woehr <wwoehr@> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > omkaradatta , " omkara " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > omkaradatta , " nocohere " <nocohere@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having read the last posts and quotes it occurred to me earlier > > > today that the most misleading of words is *and* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The examples are endless but I'll stick with one . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You and me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me and you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the mind ignores the *and* they take on a whole new meaning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > steve > > > > > > > > > > > > Past... and... future. > > > > > > > > > > > > " I have a past and future " > > > > > > > > > > > > (thought shuttles back and forth rapidly) > > > > > > > > > > > > Look at me, I'm in the middle of past and future, an " I " center. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whoops... maybe thoughts/events are just arising, now, and that's all > > > there is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Without a past or future, what am I? > > > > > > > > > > P.S. believe it or not... > > > > > > > > > > Without past or future, without an imaginary center... > > > > > > > > > > Everything goes on as always. > > > > > > > > > > Except the imaginary center. > > > > > > > > It's much like getting deeply involved in a good movie. > > > > > > > > One forgets one's troubles, for now. > > > > > > > > Except, the 'now' doesn't have to end when the lights come back on > > > ;-).eply > > > > > > > > Isn't it always Now? > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- Begin of reply -------- > > > > > > > > > Omkara, > > > > > > What is the Now besides consciousness ? > > > > > > In the 'spiritual' world writing and sepaking of the Now is very popular > > > and the base of this pularity is the idea that the Now is free of the past. > > > > > > But sorrow, sadness, pain etc, if you like it or not, are also contents of > > > consciousness and are happening now and so this wonderful idea of a pastless > > > Now is revealed as a bubble or as a delusion. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > ** > > > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > > > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > > > group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 actual now? why do we need to use such a concept? if there is no time no need to talk about " now " as well On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Tim G. <fewtch wrote: Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci wrote:> > tim " now " is also a mental categoryNot the actual Now, only the word 'now' ;-). -- izzet balci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci wrote: > > actual now? why do we need to use such a concept? Ask Werner. Good night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci@> wrote: > > > > > > tim " now " is also a mental category > > > > Not the actual Now, only the word 'now' ;-). > > P.S. if mainly you want to argue verbal definitions, etc. I think Werner might be a better one to discuss with :-p. If you want to look at things together with me, I'm happy to talk, but I don't like arguing. > Don't listen to Tim, Izzet, this gusy has enormous problems to learn and to graps that his opinions are not the only valuable ones. He easily gets offended if you don't tell him in each post how much you love him. ) Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 good night! On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Tim G. <fewtch wrote: Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci wrote:> > actual now? why do we need to use such a concept?Ask Werner. Good night. -- izzet balci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci@> wrote: > > > > > > > > tim " now " is also a mental category > > > > > > Not the actual Now, only the word 'now' ;-). > > > > P.S. if mainly you want to argue verbal definitions, etc. I think Werner might be a better one to discuss with :-p. If you want to look at things together with me, I'm happy to talk, but I don't like arguing. > > > > > Don't listen to Tim, Izzet, > > this gusy has enormous problems to learn and to graps that his opinions are not the only valuable ones. > > He easily gets offended if you don't tell him in each post how much you love him. > > ) > > Werner He's absolutely right, Izzet. I have a desperate need to be liked and accepted, but I cover it up all the time by being nasty to folks. Don't listen to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 I just enjoy following your conversation and sometimes want to participate to it by saying something, the way thanks your acceptance On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Tim G. <fewtch wrote: Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:>> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > >> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:> > >> > > Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci@> wrote: > > > >> > > > tim " now " is also a mental category> > > > > > Not the actual Now, only the word 'now' ;-).> > > > P.S. if mainly you want to argue verbal definitions, etc. I think Werner might be a better one to discuss with :-p. If you want to look at things together with me, I'm happy to talk, but I don't like arguing. > >> > > Don't listen to Tim, Izzet,> > this gusy has enormous problems to learn and to graps that his opinions are not the only valuable ones.> > He easily gets offended if you don't tell him in each post how much you love him. > > )> > WernerHe's absolutely right, Izzet.I have a desperate need to be liked and accepted, but I cover it up all the time by being nasty to folks.Don't listen to me. -- izzet balci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci wrote: > > I just enjoy following your conversation and sometimes want to > participate > to it by saying something, the way thanks your acceptance Peace... have a good night :-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:03 AM Fwd: Re: And (p.s.) Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci@> wrote: > > > > what is time? is " now " a time component? > > Rather, time is a 'now' component. > > This can't be explained easily, has to be seen directly. I'll try and explain a little. It's always " Now " . Time arises as past memory, now, or predictions of the future, now. This always happens now. So, time happens 'now', as memory, as prediction. This is the only reality time has. Past and future are mental categories. -tim- So all is now escept when one is living in memory - a fact not so uncommon these days....:>) -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 geo> Time is a mental category...and when that is seen clearly time is not. tim " now " is also a mental category what ı am trying to come On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Tim G. <fewtch wrote: Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci@> wrote: > > > > what is time? is " now " a time component? > > Rather, time is a 'now' component. > > This can't be explained easily, has to be seen directly. I'll try and explain a little. It's always " Now " . Time arises as past memory, now, or predictions of the future, now. This always happens now. So, time happens 'now', as memory, as prediction. This is the only reality time has. Past and future are mental categories. -- izzet balci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 - iZZET BALCI Nisargadatta Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:21 AM Re: Fwd: Re: And (p.s.) geo> Yes, the seeing of time is timeless actual now? why do we need to use such a concept? if there is no time no need to talk about " now " as well On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Tim G. <fewtch wrote: Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci wrote: > > tim " now " is also a mental category Not the actual Now, only the word 'now' ;-). -- izzet balci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:03 AM > Fwd: Re: And (p.s.) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci@> wrote: > > > > > > what is time? is " now " a time component? > > > > Rather, time is a 'now' component. > > > > This can't be explained easily, has to be seen directly. > > I'll try and explain a little. > > It's always " Now " . > > Time arises as past memory, now, or predictions of the future, now. This > always happens now. So, time happens 'now', as memory, as prediction. This > is the only reality time has. Past and future are mental categories. > -tim- > > So all is now escept when one is living in memory - a fact not so uncommon > these days....:>) > -geo- Thought/concepts are really deceptive... the mind is 'spread in time'. For example, suppose you ask me " what are you doing with your life right now? " and I answer " Attending college " . Actually that's not true, what I'm doing right now is talking to you ;-). Right now, thoughts are arising, one at a time. But conceptually I answer " I'm attending college " . So, time is an assumption that's part of conceptuality, but not part of reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:03 AM > > Fwd: Re: And (p.s.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci@> wrote: > > > > > > > > what is time? is " now " a time component? > > > > > > Rather, time is a 'now' component. > > > > > > This can't be explained easily, has to be seen directly. > > > > I'll try and explain a little. > > > > It's always " Now " . > > > > Time arises as past memory, now, or predictions of the future, now. This > > always happens now. So, time happens 'now', as memory, as prediction. This > > is the only reality time has. Past and future are mental categories. > > -tim- > > > > So all is now escept when one is living in memory - a fact not so uncommon > > these days....:>) > > -geo- > > Thought/concepts are really deceptive... the mind is 'spread in time'. > > For example, suppose you ask me " what are you doing with your life right now? " and I answer " Attending college " . > > Actually that's not true, what I'm doing right now is talking to you ;-). Right now, thoughts are arising, one at a time. But conceptually I answer " I'm attending college " . So, time is an assumption that's part of conceptuality, but not part of reality. another dumb ass e-Tolle troll talking bullshit. anyone who talks so much about the " power " of " now " .. is a victim of their own well deserved inferiority complex. you can take that to the bank of now right now. LOL! ..b b.b. once and future King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Tim G. > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:03 AM > > > Fwd: Re: And (p.s.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > what is time? is " now " a time component? > > > > > > > > Rather, time is a 'now' component. > > > > > > > > This can't be explained easily, has to be seen directly. > > > > > > I'll try and explain a little. > > > > > > It's always " Now " . > > > > > > Time arises as past memory, now, or predictions of the future, now. This > > > always happens now. So, time happens 'now', as memory, as prediction. This > > > is the only reality time has. Past and future are mental categories. > > > -tim- > > > > > > So all is now escept when one is living in memory - a fact not so uncommon > > > these days....:>) > > > -geo- > > > > Thought/concepts are really deceptive... the mind is 'spread in time'. > > > > For example, suppose you ask me " what are you doing with your life right now? " and I answer " Attending college " . > > > > Actually that's not true, what I'm doing right now is talking to you ;-). Right now, thoughts are arising, one at a time. But conceptually I answer " I'm attending college " . So, time is an assumption that's part of conceptuality, but not part of reality. > > > > another dumb ass e-Tolle troll talking bullshit. Blah, blah, sh*t, d*mn, f*ck, cr*p, hell, dope, pope, rope, smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Tim G. > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:03 AM > > > > Fwd: Re: And (p.s.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > what is time? is " now " a time component? > > > > > > > > > > Rather, time is a 'now' component. > > > > > > > > > > This can't be explained easily, has to be seen directly. > > > > > > > > I'll try and explain a little. > > > > > > > > It's always " Now " . > > > > > > > > Time arises as past memory, now, or predictions of the future, now. This > > > > always happens now. So, time happens 'now', as memory, as prediction. This > > > > is the only reality time has. Past and future are mental categories. > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > So all is now escept when one is living in memory - a fact not so uncommon > > > > these days....:>) > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Thought/concepts are really deceptive... the mind is 'spread in time'. > > > > > > For example, suppose you ask me " what are you doing with your life right now? " and I answer " Attending college " . > > > > > > Actually that's not true, what I'm doing right now is talking to you ;-). Right now, thoughts are arising, one at a time. But conceptually I answer " I'm attending college " . So, time is an assumption that's part of conceptuality, but not part of reality. > > > > > > > > another dumb ass e-Tolle troll talking bullshit. > > Blah, blah, sh*t, d*mn, f*ck, cr*p, hell, dope, pope, rope, smoke. uh huh. the most sensible thing you've ever said timmy. that doesn't mean that it's sensible at all. it's just means it's less stupid than what you've written before. imagine! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:25 AM Fwd: Re: And (p.s.) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, July 08, 2009 6:03 AM > Fwd: Re: And (p.s.) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , iZZET BALCI <izzetbalci@> wrote: > > > > > > what is time? is " now " a time component? > > > > Rather, time is a 'now' component. > > > > This can't be explained easily, has to be seen directly. > > I'll try and explain a little. > > It's always " Now " . > > Time arises as past memory, now, or predictions of the future, now. This > always happens now. So, time happens 'now', as memory, as prediction. This > is the only reality time has. Past and future are mental categories. > -tim- > > So all is now escept when one is living in memory - a fact not so uncommon > these days....:>) > -geo- Thought/concepts are really deceptive... the mind is 'spread in time'. For example, suppose you ask me " what are you doing with your life right now? " and I answer " Attending college " . Actually that's not true, what I'm doing right now is talking to you ;-). Right now, thoughts are arising, one at a time. But conceptually I answer " I'm attending college " . So, time is an assumption that's part of conceptuality, but not part of reality. -tim- Which means that the mind may be immersed in conceptuality or not immersed in it. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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