Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 whats the point ? really ? if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the mind ! are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...? some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point ? its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast... I find it harder every year to take thing seriously... and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same same... honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why? theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all... but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost nearly completely dead to me... for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost empty bottles... maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow in the night.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > whats the point ? really ? > if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the mind ! > are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...? > some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point ? > its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast... > I find it harder every year to take thing seriously... > and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same same... > honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why? > theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all... > but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost nearly completely dead to me... > for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost empty bottles... > maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow in the night.... what the hell is a goast? or are you talking about a goat? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > whats the point ? really ? > if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the mind ! > are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...? > some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point ? > its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast... > I find it harder every year to take thing seriously... > and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same same... > honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why? > theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all... > but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost nearly completely dead to me... > for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost empty bottles... > maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow in the night.... > Iietsa, it is quite ok to express your frustration and in some way it also might be justified. But please remember, " No wish and no expectation -> no frustration " What one is whishing and expecting is to meet oneself. Eventually reflected in beautiful words, in smart utterings or in friendly talks which assure one to be respected and to be loved (what ever that means). Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > whats the point ? really ? > > if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the mind ! > > are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...? > > some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point ? > > its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast... > > I find it harder every year to take thing seriously... > > and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same same... > > honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why? > > theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all... > > but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost nearly completely dead to me... > > for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost empty bottles... > > maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow in the night.... > > > what the hell is a goast? > > or are you talking about a goat? > > .b b.b. > a ghoast is a bit more living than a goast... it has nothing to do whit goats....neither living nor dead... ....of course you are wellcome to ask more questions....answers may come if there is the time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > whats the point ? really ? > > if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the mind ! > > are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...? > > some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point ? > > its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast... > > I find it harder every year to take thing seriously... > > and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same same... > > honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why? > > theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all... > > but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost nearly completely dead to me... > > for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost empty bottles... > > maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow in the night.... > > > > > Iietsa, it is quite ok to express your frustration and in some way it also might be justified. > > But please remember, " No wish and no expectation -> no frustration " > > What one is whishing and expecting is to meet oneself. Eventually reflected in beautiful words, in smart utterings or in friendly talks which assure one to be respected and to be loved (what ever that means). > > Werner > ....your replay would have been correct if I had been involved in the drama...but you see...it goes on without my interference...it is just like the bird in the sky...it casts itelf away from the cliff into the free air to do its juggleries...I watch...but I dont imprison...I only let it dance in the skies of freedom... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > whats the point ? really ? > > > if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the mind ! > > > are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...? > > > some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point ? > > > its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast... > > > I find it harder every year to take thing seriously... > > > and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same same... > > > honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why? > > > theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all... > > > but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost nearly completely dead to me... > > > for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost empty bottles... > > > maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow in the night.... > > > > > > what the hell is a goast? > > > > or are you talking about a goat? > > > > .b b.b. > > > a ghoast is a bit more living than a goast... > it has nothing to do whit goats....neither living nor dead... > > ...of course you are wellcome to ask more questions....answers may come if there is the time... > bbb...I really cant help words coming forth like they do...sometimes they are not spelled absolutely right...its because this brain was brought up in sweden together with a different language....I can imagine a lot more words is wrongly spelled...but I dont put much effort in being correct with words in that sense...the main thing is to paint the map out roughly...if there is someone interested...I try to explain more deeply...I have known your posing a couple of years...and as what I can hear from them....you attitude is showing a bit of stuckness...I saythis to you in a friendly way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > whats the point ? really ? > > > if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the mind ! > > > are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...? > > > some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point ? > > > its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast... > > > I find it harder every year to take thing seriously... > > > and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same same... > > > honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why? > > > theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all... > > > but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost nearly completely dead to me... > > > for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost empty bottles... > > > maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow in the night.... > > > > > > what the hell is a goast? > > > > or are you talking about a goat? > > > > .b b.b. > > > a ghoast is a bit more living than a goast... > it has nothing to do whit goats....neither living nor dead... > > ...of course you are wellcome to ask more questions....answers may come if there is the time... there is no such thing as time. speak! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > whats the point ? really ? > > > if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the mind ! > > > are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...? > > > some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point ? > > > its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast... > > > I find it harder every year to take thing seriously... > > > and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same same... > > > honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why? > > > theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all... > > > but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost nearly completely dead to me... > > > for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost empty bottles... > > > maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow in the night.... > > > > > > > > > Iietsa, it is quite ok to express your frustration and in some way it also might be justified. > > > > But please remember, " No wish and no expectation -> no frustration " > > > > What one is whishing and expecting is to meet oneself. Eventually reflected in beautiful words, in smart utterings or in friendly talks which assure one to be respected and to be loved (what ever that means). > > > > Werner > > > ...your replay would have been correct if I had been involved in the drama...but you see...it goes on without my interference...it is just like the bird in the sky...it casts itelf away from the cliff into the free air to do its juggleries...I watch...but I dont imprison...I only let it dance in the skies of freedom... oh my gracious! that's so fucking big of you. what the hell else do you allow to happen? " I only let... " ... that's about the jerkiest thing i ever heard! who the fuck do you think you are? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > whats the point ? really ? > > > > if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the mind ! > > > > are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...? > > > > some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point ? > > > > its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast... > > > > I find it harder every year to take thing seriously... > > > > and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same same... > > > > honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why? > > > > theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all... > > > > but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost nearly completely dead to me... > > > > for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost empty bottles... > > > > maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow in the night.... > > > > > > > > > what the hell is a goast? > > > > > > or are you talking about a goat? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > a ghoast is a bit more living than a goast... > > it has nothing to do whit goats....neither living nor dead... > > > > ...of course you are wellcome to ask more questions....answers may come if there is the time... > > > bbb...I really cant help words coming forth like they do...sometimes they are not spelled absolutely right...its because this brain was brought up in sweden together with a different language....I can imagine a lot more words is wrongly spelled...but I dont put much effort in being correct with words in that sense...the main thing is to paint the map out roughly...if there is someone interested...I try to explain more deeply...I have known your posing a couple of years...and as what I can hear from them....you attitude is showing a bit of stuckness...I saythis to you in a friendly way... Ditt jävla mongo! Din lilla äckliga räka! Ditt jävla ägg! Vad i helvete är det du säger? better? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 >b.b.b wrote: >that's about the jerkiest thing i ever heard! >who the fuck do you think you are? >.b b.b. b.b.b., As a newbie, I'm accommodating to the presentations here, and your posts have me wondering why someone with at much heart as you obviously have has chosen the whack-'em-dead persona. I always liked Nisargardatta's vibe for that reason -- he smacked folks around when they came to him with a blindfold on. His clarity in doing so won me over so much that I had to adjust to his style even though I don't have the wherewithal to put out that kind of confrontational oomph. Are you echoing that vibe of Nisargadatta? Each time I read your posts that BLAM BLAM BLAM someone's attachment to words, I think it's effective as a psychological tool -- gets the ego to halt for a second and assess its certainties, but, and I ask this as one who would learn from you, do you think this abrasiveness is a burden worth carrying by you? To keep a one-note-song going like this would be an onerous task for me, because I'm addicted to outer validations, love it when I get a pat on my widdle head, but you? Are you being caustic-on-purpose to prevent yourself from taking words -- or you -- too seriously -- is this tactic a " personally derived spiritual technique " that's, in the final analysis, mostly about your evolution to detaching from all things manifest? Do you neti your own thoughts as they arrive as mentally spoken words? I looked in the mirror last night and argued with the image about who was real, or realer, and in a flurry of back and forths, I found that " who I was " became a very slippery determination. There was no end to the arguing possible, because, hey, that image in the mirror had bright piercing eyes that drilled me goodly a wholebunchalotta. I wonder if the " lessons of mirrors " is that the Absolute can even be the observer of the image's non-existence -- that is, as if, enliven the mirror image and see from its point of view. Silly thought, but, man, the Absolute will not be denied its omnipresence. Now, if you come back at me with your " usual, " I'll accommodate, but I'm wondering if you have other songs to sing to us. Edg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , Edg <edg wrote: > > > >b.b.b wrote: > >that's about the jerkiest thing i ever heard! > >who the fuck do you think you are? > >.b b.b. > > > b.b.b., > > As a newbie, I'm accommodating to the presentations here, and your posts have me wondering why someone with at much heart as you obviously have has chosen the whack-'em-dead persona. I always liked Nisargardatta's vibe for that reason -- he smacked folks around when they came to him with a blindfold on. His clarity in doing so won me over so much that I had to adjust to his style even though I don't have the wherewithal to put out that kind of confrontational oomph. Are you echoing that vibe of Nisargadatta? > > Each time I read your posts that BLAM BLAM BLAM someone's attachment to words, I think it's effective as a psychological tool -- gets the ego to halt for a second and assess its certainties, but, and I ask this as one who would learn from you, do you think this abrasiveness is a burden worth carrying by you? To keep a one-note-song going like this would be an onerous task for me, because I'm addicted to outer validations, love it when I get a pat on my widdle head, but you? Are you being caustic-on-purpose to prevent yourself from taking words -- or you -- too seriously -- is this tactic a " personally derived spiritual technique " that's, in the final analysis, mostly about your evolution to detaching from all things manifest? Do you neti your own thoughts as they arrive as mentally spoken words? > > I looked in the mirror last night and argued with the image about who was real, or realer, and in a flurry of back and forths, I found that " who I was " became a very slippery determination. There was no end to the arguing possible, because, hey, that image in the mirror had bright piercing eyes that drilled me goodly a wholebunchalotta. I wonder if the " lessons of mirrors " is that the Absolute can even be the observer of the image's non-existence -- that is, as if, enliven the mirror image and see from its point of view. Silly thought, but, man, the Absolute will not be denied its omnipresence. > > Now, if you come back at me with your " usual, " I'll accommodate, but I'm wondering if you have other songs to sing to us. > > Edg not really. i'm an asshole. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Edg <edg@> wrote: > > > > > > > Now, if you come back at me with your " usual, " I'll accommodate, but I'm wondering if you have other songs to sing to us. > > > > Edg > > > not really. > > i'm an asshole. > > .b b.b. P: Ya're bragging now, me lad! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Edg <edg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Now, if you come back at me with your " usual, " I'll accommodate, but I'm wondering if you have other songs to sing to us. > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > not really. > > > > i'm an asshole. > > > > .b b.b. > > P: Ya're bragging now, me lad! it's true. sometimes i set my sights too high. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Edg <edg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, if you come back at me with your " usual, " I'll accommodate, but I'm wondering if you have other songs to sing to us. > > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > not really. > > > > > > i'm an asshole. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > P: Ya're bragging now, me lad! > > > it's true. > > sometimes i set my sights too high. > > .b b.b. P > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 At 04:54 AM 7/11/2009, you wrote: whats the point ? really ? if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the mind ! are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...? some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point ? its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast... I find it harder every year to take thing seriously... and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same same... honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why? theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all... but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost nearly completely dead to me... for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost empty bottles... maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow in the night....\ Edg says: My heart is spoken to. This emptiness, this meaninglessness -- I think it can be entered fruitfully. Embracing it can be profitable. Eschewing it keeps it coming back to you " for closure. " All objects are as if aching for a return to their source -- Mommy Divine, amness and hoping we'll be able to merge them back into unity. Poor things. No wonder Meher Baba wanted to incarnate until all of them were rescued. I think meaninglessnness is a fit object (process, mental buzzingness) for spiritual practice -- a mantra-sutra upon which to do samyama -- e.g. Entertain the process just as you would be momentarily be aware of a mantra. Then, let go of this entertainingness intent, stop, wait, and listen. That's samyama. That's doing inquiry. You put an object in the awareness spotlight, and then your act of silencing, a " laying down Arjuna's bow to ask Krishna for enlightenment,) is the act of laying that object at the feet of Identity and asking, " What the fuck am I supposed to make of this? " You stop thinking about meaninglessness to signal that you have no power to resolve its challenge to your ego. Your ego surrenders its Adamic power of naming to the feet of Identity. It's an act of recognizing that only the Absolute can answer that question (name some thing, fill it with relational meaning.) Amness is pure ignorance (ignores the Absolute) so it cannot have the answer just as Brahma's giant brain couldn't find an answer to " what is at the bottom of my lotus' stalk? " So don't pray to amness for a boon. But amness is a saint that will -- without any causation -- be a " divine " manifesting process that has no (Godel aside) dissonance within itself. Unity is thus lived. See? One need not confront meaninglessness -- one only has to be present with it like one only has to shine light on the rope that we fear is a snake. Bring Identity to meaninglessness by noting that Identity is already there. Consider that the quality, meaninglessness, is as if serving as a symbol of the Absolute in the relative like the concept, zero, serves for math. Zero has no value, but recognizing the non-value of zero is the reason math can precisely define the bookends of math: endlessness and nothingness. Again, Godel's theorem aside for the nonce, let us agree that zeroness makes math able to be relate all its core axioms without a host of inconsistencies. The relative needs the same thing: a recognition that nothingness needs to be grasped as well as somethingness needs to be grasped in order for all somethings to be relatable with consistency. Lacking the Self, all objects of consciousness become individuated instead of " all of a piece. " Without a grasp of amness (OM, as a " pure zero, " is realized as an all time reality in every state of consciousness) all the manifestational structures of amness are like numbers without rules for handling them. Just so, finding " no meaning in life " is the same as saying, " I see a place for an integer, but all I'll put there is a place holder -- not a number actually, but a handy construct nonetheless. " When you recognize meaninglessness (a process of the brain, a concludingness, yes?) I say, see it as a place holder for the Absolute in the relative. It's where the Absolute is needed to make the relative meaningful -- it's where an enlightened person would say: " Whew, if I were not here filling to the brim ALL THIS, all this would be a desert, an empty place/time, but since the observer is here, the meaninglessness of what is observed is not a sadness but a proof the Identity is, ahem, absolutely needed. " An Advaitan " technique " (a spiritually legitimate surrendering to Grace:) When one is confronted with the meaninglessness and ignoring Identity, that's the call for one to turn to Identity -- stop thinking for a second, for a century, for a yuga, whatever, but stop thinking when meaninglessness floods the mind. That's an act of ending the ignoring of Identity. Anyone can stop a thought for at least a nonce, yes? Just like stopping breathing for a nonce. Same deal -- grabbing the reins of the mind and saying, " Whoa Nelly. " You can hit a nail once with a hammer, yes? Well, hit the thought process once, and then stand back and see if another whack is needed. To continue to place attention on meaninglessness (keep whacking it) is an indulging in the meaninglessness -- it iterates the process and toggles it again and again leading to harder wiring of the nervous system that will have to be abandoned eventually. So stop it at the first seeing of it. Don't rubber neck. Stopping it doesn't mean one starts other processes to drown out the process of " seeing meaninglessness. " No, simply stop for as long as your brain can do so -- decades of practicing this will help build the skill of stopping until it's clear that stopping isn't about acting in any manner. Stopping isn't a controlling of the mind so much as it's a taking the hands off the steering wheel. For instance, watch the breath. Watching breathingness lessens it, allows it to quiet down. You're not doing samyama if breathing doesn't lessen. Inquiry always should lessen excitation. See the meaninglessness in the spotlight (hovering like a dust mote in a shaft of light,) then, SHIFT -- note the silence of that shaft of light. Noting that silence can only be inquiry of the highest order. Asking " Who am I? " is doing samyama on ego. It's laying the ego at the feet of Identity and saying, " Will you do something with this? I can't even grab the sucker. " Turn meaninglessness into inquiry's question, ya see? Arjuna had never once dropped Gandiva -- his individual power -- until he recognized his lack of wisdom about how to use his potency. Immediately the bow dropped -- it was his symbol of surrendering to Krishna -- the Absolute. Like that, dropping indulgence in meaninglessness is a giving up of personal power to name (imbue meaninglessness with meaning -- hee hee) and simply waiting. In that waitingness, BLAM, Identity is found to be cramming the mind like a fire-hose blasting into a thimble. So yay for meaninglessness, eh? But why wait for it, every thing is just such a beggar for unity. Stop and recognize Identity and every beggar is instantly fulfilled. No thought need be turned away. Each can be entirely embraced if Identity is included in the hugging. Thus, inquiry is a technique that can be done in the midst of any activity. Just listen instead of speaking. Listening means " wait for meaning to arrive from Identity via its stooge, amness. " Edg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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