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whats the point ? really ?

if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the mind !

are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...?

some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and downs...well

you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away with the bad

seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point ?

its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast...

I find it harder every year to take thing seriously...

and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same same...

honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why?

theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all...

but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost nearly

completely dead to me...

for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive

anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is

porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like

poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost

empty bottles...

maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the goast

for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow in the

night....

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> whats the point ? really ?

> if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the mind

!

> are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...?

> some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and

downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away

with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point

?

> its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast...

> I find it harder every year to take thing seriously...

> and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same same...

> honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why?

> theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all...

> but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost nearly

completely dead to me...

> for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive

anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is

porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like

poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost

empty bottles...

> maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the

goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow

in the night....

 

 

what the hell is a goast?

 

or are you talking about a goat?

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> whats the point ? really ?

> if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the mind

!

> are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...?

> some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and

downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away

with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point

?

> its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast...

> I find it harder every year to take thing seriously...

> and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same same...

> honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why?

> theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all...

> but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost nearly

completely dead to me...

> for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive

anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is

porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like

poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost

empty bottles...

> maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the

goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow

in the night....

>

 

 

Iietsa, it is quite ok to express your frustration and in some way it also might

be justified.

 

But please remember, " No wish and no expectation -> no frustration "

 

What one is whishing and expecting is to meet oneself. Eventually reflected in

beautiful words, in smart utterings or in friendly talks which assure one to be

respected and to be loved (what ever that means).

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > whats the point ? really ?

> > if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the

mind !

> > are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...?

> > some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and

downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away

with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point

?

> > its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast...

> > I find it harder every year to take thing seriously...

> > and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same same...

> > honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why?

> > theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all...

> > but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost

nearly completely dead to me...

> > for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive

anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is

porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like

poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost

empty bottles...

> > maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the

goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow

in the night....

>

>

> what the hell is a goast?

>

> or are you talking about a goat?

>

> .b b.b.

>

a ghoast is a bit more living than a goast...

it has nothing to do whit goats....neither living nor dead...

 

....of course you are wellcome to ask more questions....answers may come if there

is the time...

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > whats the point ? really ?

> > if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the

mind !

> > are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...?

> > some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and

downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away

with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point

?

> > its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast...

> > I find it harder every year to take thing seriously...

> > and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same same...

> > honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why?

> > theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all...

> > but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost

nearly completely dead to me...

> > for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive

anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is

porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like

poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost

empty bottles...

> > maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the

goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow

in the night....

> >

>

>

> Iietsa, it is quite ok to express your frustration and in some way it also

might be justified.

>

> But please remember, " No wish and no expectation -> no frustration "

>

> What one is whishing and expecting is to meet oneself. Eventually reflected in

beautiful words, in smart utterings or in friendly talks which assure one to be

respected and to be loved (what ever that means).

>

> Werner

>

....your replay would have been correct if I had been involved in the drama...but

you see...it goes on without my interference...it is just like the bird in the

sky...it casts itelf away from the cliff into the free air to do its

juggleries...I watch...but I dont imprison...I only let it dance in the skies of

freedom...

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > whats the point ? really ?

> > > if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the

mind !

> > > are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...?

> > > some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and

downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away

with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point

?

> > > its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast...

> > > I find it harder every year to take thing seriously...

> > > and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same

same...

> > > honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why?

> > > theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all...

> > > but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost

nearly completely dead to me...

> > > for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive

anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is

porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like

poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost

empty bottles...

> > > maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the

goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow

in the night....

> >

> >

> > what the hell is a goast?

> >

> > or are you talking about a goat?

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> a ghoast is a bit more living than a goast...

> it has nothing to do whit goats....neither living nor dead...

>

> ...of course you are wellcome to ask more questions....answers may come if

there is the time...

>

bbb...I really cant help words coming forth like they do...sometimes they are

not spelled absolutely right...its because this brain was brought up in sweden

together with a different language....I can imagine a lot more words is wrongly

spelled...but I dont put much effort in being correct with words in that

sense...the main thing is to paint the map out roughly...if there is someone

interested...I try to explain more deeply...I have known your posing a couple of

years...and as what I can hear from them....you attitude is showing a bit of

stuckness...I saythis to you in a friendly way...

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > whats the point ? really ?

> > > if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the

mind !

> > > are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...?

> > > some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and

downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away

with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point

?

> > > its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast...

> > > I find it harder every year to take thing seriously...

> > > and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same

same...

> > > honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why?

> > > theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all...

> > > but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost

nearly completely dead to me...

> > > for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive

anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is

porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like

poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost

empty bottles...

> > > maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the

goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow

in the night....

> >

> >

> > what the hell is a goast?

> >

> > or are you talking about a goat?

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> a ghoast is a bit more living than a goast...

> it has nothing to do whit goats....neither living nor dead...

>

> ...of course you are wellcome to ask more questions....answers may come if

there is the time...

 

 

 

 

 

there is no such thing as time.

 

speak!

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > >

> > > whats the point ? really ?

> > > if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the

mind !

> > > are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...?

> > > some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and

downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away

with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point

?

> > > its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast...

> > > I find it harder every year to take thing seriously...

> > > and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same

same...

> > > honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why?

> > > theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all...

> > > but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost

nearly completely dead to me...

> > > for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive

anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see (mostly) is

porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as well...its like

poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they are just almost

empty bottles...

> > > maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the

goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a shadow

in the night....

> > >

> >

> >

> > Iietsa, it is quite ok to express your frustration and in some way it also

might be justified.

> >

> > But please remember, " No wish and no expectation -> no frustration "

> >

> > What one is whishing and expecting is to meet oneself. Eventually reflected

in beautiful words, in smart utterings or in friendly talks which assure one to

be respected and to be loved (what ever that means).

> >

> > Werner

> >

> ...your replay would have been correct if I had been involved in the

drama...but you see...it goes on without my interference...it is just like the

bird in the sky...it casts itelf away from the cliff into the free air to do its

juggleries...I watch...but I dont imprison...I only let it dance in the skies of

freedom...

 

 

oh my gracious!

 

that's so fucking big of you.

 

what the hell else do you allow to happen?

 

" I only let... " ...

 

that's about the jerkiest thing i ever heard!

 

who the fuck do you think you are?

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > whats the point ? really ?

> > > > if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the

mind !

> > > > are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after eons...?

> > > > some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and

downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to get away

with the bad seeds...so the good one can sprout...well...again...whats the point

?

> > > > its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast...

> > > > I find it harder every year to take thing seriously...

> > > > and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same

same...

> > > > honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why?

> > > > theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all...

> > > > but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost

nearly completely dead to me...

> > > > for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it

attractive anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see

(mostly) is porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these as

well...its like poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of words...now they

are just almost empty bottles...

> > > > maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask

the goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a

shadow in the night....

> > >

> > >

> > > what the hell is a goast?

> > >

> > > or are you talking about a goat?

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> > a ghoast is a bit more living than a goast...

> > it has nothing to do whit goats....neither living nor dead...

> >

> > ...of course you are wellcome to ask more questions....answers may come if

there is the time...

> >

> bbb...I really cant help words coming forth like they do...sometimes they are

not spelled absolutely right...its because this brain was brought up in sweden

together with a different language....I can imagine a lot more words is wrongly

spelled...but I dont put much effort in being correct with words in that

sense...the main thing is to paint the map out roughly...if there is someone

interested...I try to explain more deeply...I have known your posing a couple of

years...and as what I can hear from them....you attitude is showing a bit of

stuckness...I saythis to you in a friendly way...

 

 

 

Ditt jävla mongo!

 

Din lilla äckliga räka!

 

Ditt jävla ägg!

 

Vad i helvete är det du säger?

 

better?

 

..b b.b.

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>b.b.b wrote:

>that's about the jerkiest thing i ever heard!

>who the fuck do you think you are?

>.b b.b.

 

 

b.b.b.,

 

As a newbie, I'm accommodating to the presentations here, and your posts have me

wondering why someone with at much heart as you obviously have has chosen the

whack-'em-dead persona. I always liked Nisargardatta's vibe for that reason --

he smacked folks around when they came to him with a blindfold on. His clarity

in doing so won me over so much that I had to adjust to his style even though I

don't have the wherewithal to put out that kind of confrontational oomph. Are

you echoing that vibe of Nisargadatta?

 

Each time I read your posts that BLAM BLAM BLAM someone's attachment to words, I

think it's effective as a psychological tool -- gets the ego to halt for a

second and assess its certainties, but, and I ask this as one who would learn

from you, do you think this abrasiveness is a burden worth carrying by you? To

keep a one-note-song going like this would be an onerous task for me, because

I'm addicted to outer validations, love it when I get a pat on my widdle head,

but you? Are you being caustic-on-purpose to prevent yourself from taking words

-- or you -- too seriously -- is this tactic a " personally derived spiritual

technique " that's, in the final analysis, mostly about your evolution to

detaching from all things manifest? Do you neti your own thoughts as they

arrive as mentally spoken words?

 

I looked in the mirror last night and argued with the image about who was real,

or realer, and in a flurry of back and forths, I found that " who I was " became

a very slippery determination. There was no end to the arguing possible,

because, hey, that image in the mirror had bright piercing eyes that drilled me

goodly a wholebunchalotta. I wonder if the " lessons of mirrors " is that the

Absolute can even be the observer of the image's non-existence -- that is, as

if, enliven the mirror image and see from its point of view. Silly thought,

but, man, the Absolute will not be denied its omnipresence.

 

Now, if you come back at me with your " usual, " I'll accommodate, but I'm

wondering if you have other songs to sing to us.

 

Edg

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Nisargadatta , Edg <edg wrote:

>

>

> >b.b.b wrote:

> >that's about the jerkiest thing i ever heard!

> >who the fuck do you think you are?

> >.b b.b.

>

>

> b.b.b.,

>

> As a newbie, I'm accommodating to the presentations here, and your posts have

me wondering why someone with at much heart as you obviously have has chosen the

whack-'em-dead persona. I always liked Nisargardatta's vibe for that reason --

he smacked folks around when they came to him with a blindfold on. His clarity

in doing so won me over so much that I had to adjust to his style even though I

don't have the wherewithal to put out that kind of confrontational oomph. Are

you echoing that vibe of Nisargadatta?

>

> Each time I read your posts that BLAM BLAM BLAM someone's attachment to words,

I think it's effective as a psychological tool -- gets the ego to halt for a

second and assess its certainties, but, and I ask this as one who would learn

from you, do you think this abrasiveness is a burden worth carrying by you? To

keep a one-note-song going like this would be an onerous task for me, because

I'm addicted to outer validations, love it when I get a pat on my widdle head,

but you? Are you being caustic-on-purpose to prevent yourself from taking words

-- or you -- too seriously -- is this tactic a " personally derived spiritual

technique " that's, in the final analysis, mostly about your evolution to

detaching from all things manifest? Do you neti your own thoughts as they

arrive as mentally spoken words?

>

> I looked in the mirror last night and argued with the image about who was

real, or realer, and in a flurry of back and forths, I found that " who I was "

became a very slippery determination. There was no end to the arguing possible,

because, hey, that image in the mirror had bright piercing eyes that drilled me

goodly a wholebunchalotta. I wonder if the " lessons of mirrors " is that the

Absolute can even be the observer of the image's non-existence -- that is, as

if, enliven the mirror image and see from its point of view. Silly thought,

but, man, the Absolute will not be denied its omnipresence.

>

> Now, if you come back at me with your " usual, " I'll accommodate, but I'm

wondering if you have other songs to sing to us.

>

> Edg

 

 

not really.

 

i'm an asshole.

 

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , Edg <edg@> wrote:

> >

>

> >

> > Now, if you come back at me with your " usual, " I'll accommodate, but I'm

wondering if you have other songs to sing to us.

> >

> > Edg

>

>

> not really.

>

> i'm an asshole.

>

> .b b.b.

 

P: Ya're bragging now, me lad!

>

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Edg <edg@> wrote:

> > >

> >

> > >

> > > Now, if you come back at me with your " usual, " I'll accommodate, but I'm

wondering if you have other songs to sing to us.

> > >

> > > Edg

> >

> >

> > not really.

> >

> > i'm an asshole.

> >

> > .b b.b.

>

> P: Ya're bragging now, me lad!

 

 

it's true.

 

sometimes i set my sights too high.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , Edg <edg@> wrote:

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Now, if you come back at me with your " usual, " I'll accommodate, but I'm

wondering if you have other songs to sing to us.

> > > >

> > > > Edg

> > >

> > >

> > > not really.

> > >

> > > i'm an asshole.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> >

> > P: Ya're bragging now, me lad!

>

>

> it's true.

>

> sometimes i set my sights too high.

>

> .b b.b.

 

P :)

>

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At 04:54 AM 7/11/2009, you wrote:

whats the point ? really ?

if eaverything is not real...but only a ghost in the dark corners of the

mind !

are we just going around in the same vicious circle year after

eons...?

some days the mind is in the better mood...some days not....ups and

downs...well you know the song...some are trying to improve the mind to

get away with the bad seeds...so the good one can

sprout...well...again...whats the point ?

its all weed anyway...the seed of the good and the same bad goast...

I find it harder every year to take thing seriously...

and this makes me dead to society...or the society dead to me...same

same...

honestly...what are we doing...why are doing...why?

theese days there are mere a feeling of hopelessness....that all...

but I dont bother even with this feeling...I mean...the goast is almost

nearly completely dead to me...

for years it have had its show(s)...but nowdays I dont find it attractive

anymore...I come to this list from time to time...but all I ever see

(mostly) is porroting...perhaps the words are used in a new touch...these

as well...its like poetry...I used to be a fan of the beauty of

words...now they are just almost empty bottles...

maby this post is not like other post...I dont know...you have to ask the

goast for the right answer...and that goast my friends...is dead...as a

shadow in the night....\

Edg says:

My heart is spoken to.

This emptiness, this meaninglessness -- I think it can be entered

fruitfully. Embracing it can be profitable.

Eschewing it keeps it coming back to you " for closure. "

All objects are as if aching for a return to their source -- Mommy

Divine, amness and hoping we'll be able to merge them back into

unity. Poor things. No wonder Meher Baba wanted to incarnate

until all of them were rescued.

I think meaninglessnness is a fit object (process, mental buzzingness)

for spiritual practice -- a mantra-sutra upon which to do samyama -- e.g.

Entertain the process just as you would be momentarily be aware of a

mantra. Then, let go of this entertainingness intent, stop, wait,

and listen.

That's samyama. That's doing inquiry. You put an object in

the awareness spotlight, and then your act of silencing, a " laying

down Arjuna's bow to ask Krishna for enlightenment,) is the act of laying

that object at the feet of Identity and asking, " What the fuck am I

supposed to make of this? " You stop thinking about

meaninglessness to signal that you have no power to resolve its challenge

to your ego. Your ego surrenders its Adamic power of naming to the

feet of Identity. It's an act of recognizing that only the Absolute

can answer that question (name some thing, fill it with relational

meaning.) Amness is pure ignorance (ignores the Absolute) so it

cannot have the answer just as Brahma's giant brain couldn't find an

answer to " what is at the bottom of my lotus' stalk? " So

don't pray to amness for a boon. But amness is a saint that will --

without any causation -- be a " divine " manifesting process that

has no (Godel aside) dissonance within itself. Unity is thus

lived.

See? One need not confront meaninglessness -- one only has to be present

with it like one only has to shine light on the rope that we fear is a

snake. Bring Identity to meaninglessness by noting that Identity is

already there.

Consider that the quality, meaninglessness, is as if serving as a symbol

of the Absolute in the relative like the concept, zero, serves for

math.

Zero has no value, but recognizing the non-value of zero is the reason

math can precisely define the bookends of math: endlessness and

nothingness. Again, Godel's theorem aside for the nonce, let us

agree that zeroness makes math able to be relate all its core axioms

without a host of inconsistencies. The relative needs the

same thing: a recognition that nothingness needs to be grasped as well as

somethingness needs to be grasped in order for all somethings to be

relatable with consistency. Lacking the Self, all objects of

consciousness become individuated instead of " all of a

piece. " Without a grasp of amness (OM, as a " pure

zero, " is realized as an all time reality in every state of

consciousness) all the manifestational structures of amness are like

numbers without rules for handling them.

Just so, finding " no meaning in life " is the same as saying,

" I see a place for an integer, but all I'll put there is a place

holder -- not a number actually, but a handy construct

nonetheless. " When you recognize meaninglessness (a process of

the brain, a concludingness, yes?) I say, see it as a place holder for

the Absolute in the relative. It's where the Absolute is needed to

make the relative meaningful -- it's where an enlightened person would

say: " Whew, if I were not here filling to the brim ALL THIS, all

this would be a desert, an empty place/time, but since the observer is

here, the meaninglessness of what is observed is not a sadness but a

proof the Identity is, ahem, absolutely needed. "

An Advaitan " technique " (a spiritually legitimate

surrendering to Grace:)

When one is confronted with the meaninglessness and ignoring

Identity, that's the call for one to turn to Identity -- stop thinking

for a second, for a century, for a yuga, whatever, but stop thinking when

meaninglessness floods the mind. That's an act of ending the

ignoring of Identity.

Anyone can stop a thought for at least a nonce, yes? Just like

stopping breathing for a nonce. Same deal -- grabbing the reins of

the mind and saying, " Whoa Nelly. " You can hit a nail

once with a hammer, yes? Well, hit the thought process once, and

then stand back and see if another whack is needed.

To continue to place attention on meaninglessness (keep whacking it) is

an indulging in the meaninglessness -- it iterates the process and

toggles it again and again leading to harder wiring of the nervous system

that will have to be abandoned eventually. So stop it at the first

seeing of it. Don't rubber neck.

Stopping it doesn't mean one starts other processes to drown out the

process of " seeing meaninglessness. " No, simply stop for

as long as your brain can do so -- decades of practicing this will help

build the skill of stopping until it's clear that stopping isn't about

acting in any manner. Stopping isn't a controlling of the mind so

much as it's a taking the hands off the steering wheel.

For instance, watch the breath. Watching breathingness lessens it,

allows it to quiet down. You're not doing samyama if breathing

doesn't lessen. Inquiry always should lessen excitation. See

the meaninglessness in the spotlight (hovering like a dust mote in a

shaft of light,) then, SHIFT -- note the silence of that shaft of

light. Noting that silence can only be inquiry of the highest

order.

Asking " Who am I? " is doing samyama on ego. It's laying

the ego at the feet of Identity and saying, " Will you do something

with this? I can't even grab the sucker. " Turn

meaninglessness into inquiry's question, ya see? Arjuna had never

once dropped Gandiva -- his individual power -- until he recognized his

lack of wisdom about how to use his potency. Immediately the bow

dropped -- it was his symbol of surrendering to Krishna -- the

Absolute. Like that, dropping indulgence in meaninglessness is a

giving up of personal power to name (imbue meaninglessness with meaning

-- hee hee) and simply waiting. In that waitingness, BLAM,

Identity is found to be cramming the mind like a fire-hose blasting into

a thimble.

So yay for meaninglessness, eh? But why wait for it, every thing is

just such a beggar for unity. Stop and recognize Identity and every

beggar is instantly fulfilled. No thought need be turned away. Each

can be entirely embraced if Identity is included in the hugging.

Thus, inquiry is a technique that can be done in the midst of any

activity. Just listen instead of speaking. Listening means

" wait for meaning to arrive from Identity via its stooge,

amness. "

Edg

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