Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > All your mockery has its basis in your belief that you are different. > And to be different makes you very attractive, doesn't it ? Being different actually doesn't make one attractive at all. I may try to be different, but people are not really seeing " me " ... they're seeing their own self-images. So, whatever I try to be is bound to fail. One is best off being nobody and nothing in particular. When one is nobody, one is everybody. When one is nothing, one is everything. To try and be " something " , when (by being nothing) one can be everything, is very silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > All your mockery has its basis in your belief that you are different. > And to be different makes you very attractive, doesn't it ? > > Being different actually doesn't make one attractive at all. I may try to be different, but people are not really seeing " me " ... they're seeing their own self-images. So, whatever I try to be is bound to fail. One is best off being nobody and nothing in particular. When one is nobody, one is everybody. When one is nothing, one is everything. > > To try and be " something " , when (by being nothing) one can be everything, is very silly. on cannot " be " nothing. when Nothing prevails.. as it now and always does.. there is no one. you're being silly. but not as ridiculous as wernie-poo i agree. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > All your mockery has its basis in your belief that you are different. > And to be different makes you very attractive, doesn't it ? > > Being different actually doesn't make one attractive at all. I may try to be different, but people are not really seeing " me " ... they're seeing their own self-images. So, whatever I try to be is bound to fail. One is best off being nobody and nothing in particular. When one is nobody, one is everybody. When one is nothing, one is everything. > > To try and be " something " , when (by being nothing) one can be everything, is very silly. > This is all just mental constructs, Tim. But logic has no power when meeting the psyche. What counts is your psychological structure and not your little Advaita which maybe you use as kinda holy waters hoping to ban the powerful conditioned psyche with but which never is following some weak logic. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > All your mockery has its basis in your belief that you are different. > And to be different makes you very attractive, doesn't it ? > > > > Being different actually doesn't make one attractive at all. I may try to be different, but people are not really seeing " me " ... they're seeing their own self-images. So, whatever I try to be is bound to fail. One is best off being nobody and nothing in particular. When one is nobody, one is everybody. When one is nothing, one is everything. > > > > To try and be " something " , when (by being nothing) one can be everything, is very silly. > > > > > This is all just mental constructs, Tim. ^^^ and so is that. The point being? > What counts is your psychological structure No. What counts is " Werner's " psychological structure (and Werner's orientation in general), not " someone else's " . When this is seen clearly here, all the trashing about ends and all is brilliant and clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > All your mockery has its basis in your belief that you are different. > And to be different makes you very attractive, doesn't it ? > > > > > > Being different actually doesn't make one attractive at all. I may try to be different, but people are not really seeing " me " ... they're seeing their own self-images. So, whatever I try to be is bound to fail. One is best off being nobody and nothing in particular. When one is nobody, one is everybody. When one is nothing, one is everything. > > > > > > To try and be " something " , when (by being nothing) one can be everything, is very silly. > > > > > > > > > This is all just mental constructs, Tim. > > ^^^ and so is that. The point being? > > > > What counts is your psychological structure > > No. What counts is " Werner's " psychological structure (and Werner's orientation in general), not " someone else's " . When this is seen clearly here, all the trashing about ends and all is brilliant and clear. > Amen, Tim. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > All your mockery has its basis in your belief that you are different. > And to be different makes you very attractive, doesn't it ? > > > > Being different actually doesn't make one attractive at all. I may try to be different, but people are not really seeing " me " ... they're seeing their own self-images. So, whatever I try to be is bound to fail. One is best off being nobody and nothing in particular. When one is nobody, one is everybody. When one is nothing, one is everything. > > > > To try and be " something " , when (by being nothing) one can be everything, is very silly. > > > > > This is all just mental constructs, Tim. But logic has no power when meeting the psyche. > > What counts is your psychological structure and not your little Advaita which maybe you use as kinda holy waters hoping to ban the powerful conditioned psyche with but which never is following some weak logic. > > Werner ROFLMAO! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > All your mockery has its basis in your belief that you are different. > And to be different makes you very attractive, doesn't it ? > > > > > > Being different actually doesn't make one attractive at all. I may try to be different, but people are not really seeing " me " ... they're seeing their own self-images. So, whatever I try to be is bound to fail. One is best off being nobody and nothing in particular. When one is nobody, one is everybody. When one is nothing, one is everything. > > > > > > To try and be " something " , when (by being nothing) one can be everything, is very silly. > > > > > > > > > This is all just mental constructs, Tim. > > ^^^ and so is that. The point being? > > > > What counts is your psychological structure > > No. What counts is " Werner's " psychological structure (and Werner's orientation in general), not " someone else's " . When this is seen clearly here, all the trashing about ends and all is brilliant and clear. actually.. " brilliant and clear " .. is a rather low level " state " . it involves judgment..the judge..the judged. this will pass. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > All your mockery has its basis in your belief that you are different. > And to be different makes you very attractive, doesn't it ? > > > > > > > > Being different actually doesn't make one attractive at all. I may try to be different, but people are not really seeing " me " ... they're seeing their own self-images. So, whatever I try to be is bound to fail. One is best off being nobody and nothing in particular. When one is nobody, one is everybody. When one is nothing, one is everything. > > > > > > > > To try and be " something " , when (by being nothing) one can be everything, is very silly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is all just mental constructs, Tim. > > > > ^^^ and so is that. The point being? > > > > > > > What counts is your psychological structure > > > > No. What counts is " Werner's " psychological structure (and Werner's orientation in general), not " someone else's " . When this is seen clearly here, all the trashing about ends and all is brilliant and clear. > > > > > Amen, Tim. > > > > Werner Also, please just " be as you are " . I don't want you acting some other way because I may be thinking this and that about what you say. I like that you say what comes from your heart, not bending what you say to what " somebody else " wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > actually.. > > " brilliant and clear " .. > > is a rather low level " state " . If all is not brilliant and clear, that's fine, too. It will be, if one for a change pays attention to the perceiver rather than the perceived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > actually.. > > > > " brilliant and clear " .. > > > > is a rather low level " state " . > > If all is not brilliant and clear, that's fine, too. It will be, if one for a change pays attention to the perceiver rather than the perceived. that's a cute baby step. when there is neither observed nor observer... all that childishness about clear and bright.. and " one who perceives " .. and whatever is supposedly perceived in delusional ecstasy.. is lost. The Vanishing...Vacant...Hallowed..Hollow. no condition applies. " you' will never understand. " you " will be gone...and will be as never having been. " you " cannot believe this. It is So. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > actually.. > > > > > > " brilliant and clear " .. > > > > > > is a rather low level " state " . > > > > If all is not brilliant and clear, that's fine, too. It will be, if one for a change pays attention to the perceiver rather than the perceived. > > > that's a cute baby step. When one believes one's body and personal history to be " oneself " , it's a necessary step. Otherwise, the false beliefs just " keep coming back " (like the old N.A. slogan), except in this case it doesn't work. As is obvious, watching mankind and his blundering about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > actually.. > > > > > > > > " brilliant and clear " .. > > > > > > > > is a rather low level " state " . > > > > > > If all is not brilliant and clear, that's fine, too. It will be, if one for a change pays attention to the perceiver rather than the perceived. > > > > > > that's a cute baby step. > > When one believes one's body and personal history to be " oneself " , it's a necessary step. > > Otherwise, the false beliefs just " keep coming back " (like the old N.A. slogan), except in this case it doesn't work. As is obvious, watching mankind and his blundering about. when " one " believes anything.. it's bullshit. there is nothing to believe and most certainly by that very fact.. no one to " do " believing. " false beliefs " ??????????? all beliefs are false. get with it. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > actually.. > > > > > > > > > > " brilliant and clear " .. > > > > > > > > > > is a rather low level " state " . > > > > > > > > If all is not brilliant and clear, that's fine, too. It will be, if one for a change pays attention to the perceiver rather than the perceived. > > > > > > > > > that's a cute baby step. > > > > When one believes one's body and personal history to be " oneself " , it's a necessary step. > > > > Otherwise, the false beliefs just " keep coming back " (like the old N.A. slogan), except in this case it doesn't work. As is obvious, watching mankind and his blundering about. > > > when " one " believes anything.. > > it's bullshit. Including the belief that it's bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > actually.. > > > > > > > > > > > > " brilliant and clear " .. > > > > > > > > > > > > is a rather low level " state " . > > > > > > > > > > If all is not brilliant and clear, that's fine, too. It will be, if one for a change pays attention to the perceiver rather than the perceived. > > > > > > > > > > > > that's a cute baby step. > > > > > > When one believes one's body and personal history to be " oneself " , it's a necessary step. > > > > > > Otherwise, the false beliefs just " keep coming back " (like the old N.A. slogan), except in this case it doesn't work. As is obvious, watching mankind and his blundering about. > > > > > > when " one " believes anything.. > > > > it's bullshit. > > Including the belief that it's bullshit. there is no belief nor bullshit here. it's difficult if not impossible for the lost to understand. it doesn't matter. baba doesn't give a shit. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > there is no belief nor bullshit here. I know... it appears to be " everywhere else " instead (chuckling). All the bullshit has been projected " out there " , and now Bobby has no problems... except, of course, everything and everyone else. Whether one's problems are " in here " or " out there " , one still has them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > there is no belief nor bullshit here. > > I know... it appears to be " everywhere else " instead (chuckling). > > All the bullshit has been projected " out there " , and now Bobby has no problems... except, of course, everything and everyone else. > > Whether one's problems are " in here " or " out there " , one still has them. there is no " else " nor " elsewhere. All is dimensionless. you are tired. get some rest. rock-a-bye. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > there is no belief nor bullshit here. > > > > I know... it appears to be " everywhere else " instead (chuckling). > > > > All the bullshit has been projected " out there " , and now Bobby has no problems... except, of course, everything and everyone else. > > > > Whether one's problems are " in here " or " out there " , one still has them. > > > there is no " else " nor " elsewhere. > > All is dimensionless. > > you are tired. Thanks for letting me know ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > there is no belief nor bullshit here. > > > > > > I know... it appears to be " everywhere else " instead (chuckling). > > > > > > All the bullshit has been projected " out there " , and now Bobby has no problems... except, of course, everything and everyone else. > > > > > > Whether one's problems are " in here " or " out there " , one still has them. > > > > > > there is no " else " nor " elsewhere. > > > > All is dimensionless. > > > > you are tired. > > Thanks for letting me know ;-). no thanks required. ..b b.b. gives freely of the Understanding. baba has no choice but to do so.. truthfully and happily. It is that It is. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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