Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: Trying to " get out of this " or " get around this " is precisely why so few > ever realize the truth. > -tim- > > So now there are others that realize truth. I thought you said it takes an > ego to see other egos. (??) > -geo- P.S. this isn't a particularly interesting line of conversation here, as you seem to want to hold me to some sort of consistency (?) which is unnecessary. Words can be inconsistent, and there's nothing wrong with that... they indicate only. But anyway -- yes, few seem to realize the truth. I never said there weren't people, only no *other* people. And there seem to be few people who speak with clarity, at least around these lists. I actually don't know how common or rare 'realizing the truth' is in a general case, cuz there really is no such thing as a general case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trying to " get out of this " or " get around this " is precisely why so few > > ever realize the truth. > > -tim- > > > > So now there are others that realize truth. I thought you said it takes an > > ego to see other egos. (??) > > -geo- > > P.S. this isn't a particularly interesting line of conversation here, as you seem to want to hold me to some sort of consistency (?) which is unnecessary. Words can be inconsistent, and there's nothing wrong with that... they indicate only. > > But anyway -- yes, few seem to realize the truth. I never said there weren't people, only no *other* people. And there seem to be few people who speak with clarity, at least around these lists. I actually don't know how common or rare 'realizing the truth' is in a general case, cuz there really is no such thing as a general case. and there's no such thing as " realization " . for whom would that term apply? the wizard of oz? LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > and there's no such thing as " realization " . > > for whom would that term apply? > > the wizard of oz? It doesn't apply for anyone. " Realization " is the absence of the 'someone', not the presence of something that someone 'has'. Why so much focus on words? Who cares about terms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > and there's no such thing as " realization " . > > > > for whom would that term apply? > > > > the wizard of oz? > > It doesn't apply for anyone. " Realization " is the absence of the 'someone', not the presence of something that someone 'has'. > > Why so much focus on words? Who cares about terms? i don't care about words or terms or you. and as long as you're writing here.. by your own definition.. you haven't " realized " . because you sure as hell are a presence of a someone here. just not a very bright someone. s'okay. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > i don't care about words or terms or you. > > and as long as you're writing here.. > > by your own definition.. > > you haven't " realized " . > > because you sure as hell are a presence of a someone here. Only to another " someone " . Ego is what sees ego, remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > i don't care about words or terms or you. > > > > and as long as you're writing here.. > > > > by your own definition.. > > > > you haven't " realized " . > > > > because you sure as hell are a presence of a someone here. > > Only to another " someone " . Ego is what sees ego, remember? of course. what the hell else do you think i or you are. you're a hopeless and feckless romantic. do you watch soap operas? LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > i don't care about words or terms or you. > > > > > > and as long as you're writing here.. > > > > > > by your own definition.. > > > > > > you haven't " realized " . > > > > > > because you sure as hell are a presence of a someone here. > > > > Only to another " someone " . Ego is what sees ego, remember? > > > of course. > > what the hell else do you think i or you are. > > you're a hopeless and feckless romantic. > > do you watch soap operas? Sure... Bobby's ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't care about words or terms or you. > > > > > > > > and as long as you're writing here.. > > > > > > > > by your own definition.. > > > > > > > > you haven't " realized " . > > > > > > > > because you sure as hell are a presence of a someone here. > > > > > > Only to another " someone " . Ego is what sees ego, remember? > > > > > > of course. > > > > what the hell else do you think i or you are. > > > > you're a hopeless and feckless romantic. > > > > do you watch soap operas? > > Sure... Bobby's ;-). that figures for sure timmy. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:33 PM Re: This Morning At Niz (deleted II) P.S. Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > i don't care about words or terms or you. > > and as long as you're writing here.. > > by your own definition.. > > you haven't " realized " . > > because you sure as hell are a presence of a someone here. Only to another " someone " . Ego is what sees ego, remember? -tim- That is the way you think it is. There is no such thing as ego much the less some seeing ego. There is the sense of some inner fixed observer (that in fact is not). While that is the case the guy can not see oranges from GM. -ego- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:33 PM > Re: This Morning At Niz (deleted II) P.S. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > > > i don't care about words or terms or you. > > > > and as long as you're writing here.. > > > > by your own definition.. > > > > you haven't " realized " . > > > > because you sure as hell are a presence of a someone here. > > Only to another " someone " . Ego is what sees ego, remember? > -tim- > > That is the way you think it is. That is the way it is, through direct observation. It's actually very obvious... all one has to do is look and see it. Watch when folks address " you " (other), and pretend they're talking about " I " instead... it's extremely revealing. Try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:33 PM > > Re: This Morning At Niz (deleted II) P.S. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > i don't care about words or terms or you. > > > > > > and as long as you're writing here.. > > > > > > by your own definition.. > > > > > > you haven't " realized " . > > > > > > because you sure as hell are a presence of a someone here. > > > > Only to another " someone " . Ego is what sees ego, remember? > > -tim- > > > > That is the way you think it is. > > That is the way it is, through direct observation. It's actually very obvious... all one has to do is look and see it. > > Watch when folks address " you " (other), and pretend they're talking about " I " instead... it's extremely revealing. Try it. timmy.. the only thing that that sort of stuff reveals.. is a stupid fascination with " guruspeak " .. and a lack of grounding in reality. for your own good.. stray away once and awhile from la-la land. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > timmy.. > > the only thing that that sort of stuff reveals.. > > is a stupid fascination with " guruspeak " .. > > and a lack of grounding in reality. Oh, trust me, Bobby, just the opposite is the case. Interesting how one would see things in 'other' just the opposite of the way they really are, eh? When one is not only ignorant of the other but is ignorant of oneself as well, one's condition is precarious. But Bob knows that already about himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:44 PM Re: This Morning At Niz (deleted II) P.S. Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:33 PM > Re: This Morning At Niz (deleted II) P.S. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > > > i don't care about words or terms or you. > > > > and as long as you're writing here.. > > > > by your own definition.. > > > > you haven't " realized " . > > > > because you sure as hell are a presence of a someone here. > > Only to another " someone " . Ego is what sees ego, remember? > -tim- > > That is the way you think it is. That is the way it is, through direct observation. It's actually very obvious... all one has to do is look and see it. Watch when folks address " you " (other), and pretend they're talking about " I " instead... it's extremely revealing. Try it. -tim- I know...but I prefer to play this other game...its much more straight-forward. See existence as a brilliance midst nothingness...with all included..mes...yous..theys..time...space...matter...dreams...etc...Who cares what is what, who is who....IT -ising...amazingly. Just make sure you dont loose sight of nothingness.....dont let it escape...for no money (..I hear to protests....) -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > timmy.. > > > > the only thing that that sort of stuff reveals.. > > > > is a stupid fascination with " guruspeak " .. > > > > and a lack of grounding in reality. > > Oh, trust me, Bobby, just the opposite is the case. > > Interesting how one would see things in 'other' just the opposite of the way they really are, eh? > > When one is not only ignorant of the other but is ignorant of oneself as well, one's condition is precarious. But Bob knows that already about himself. there you go again. see that shrink soon timmy. very soon son. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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