Ego, realization, conceptual and nonconceptual (who's he?)

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Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@>

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> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

<douglasmitch1963@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

<douglasmitch1963@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

<douglasmitch1963@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

<douglasmitch1963@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds "

<skywords@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds "

<skywords@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. "

<fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds "

<skywords@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I've asked myself precisely those

questions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I've COMPLETELY changed from believing in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " no freedom, hence, compassion. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To " absolute freedom, hence no need for

compassion "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need for anything... but compassion

arises, anyway.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot but tend toward compassion toward

another, when that other is oneself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, AND

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are choices made

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions change things

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The will has an effect

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can resist one's Self

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is the freedom to be utterly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Demonic, destructive, idiotic, trivial

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Negative and UNFREE for it's own sake:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Merely to be free to be unfree

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and (for me, this is the BEST NEWS)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > One CAN

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciously and deliberately decide to willfully:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Truly be blissfully happy, loving, compassionate

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Freely in the Now

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Gleefully in the Know

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (without ANY prerequisites, processes, etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the idea of " not this without that, not that without

this, "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is pure suffering, spiritually. Science is NOT

exactly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > poetry/spirit/feeling and poetry/spirit/feeling is NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly science. To equate the two realms is

suffering.)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In " I AM That " Nisargadatta said, " I do not need to make

an effort; the deed follows the thought, without delay and friction. I have

also found that thoughts become self-fulfilling; things would fall into place

smoothly and rightly. The main change was in the mind; it became motionless and

silent, responding quickly, but not perpetuating the response. Spontaneity

became a way of life, the real became natural and the natural became real. And

above all, infinite affection, love, dark and quiet, radiating in all

directions, embracing all, making all interesting and beautiful, significant and

auspicious. "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > BEAUTIFUL!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > smoooooooooooooooth eh pancho?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > just like you'd like it to be.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > it's not.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > it's just words on a page like words in a bible.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the believers in both kinds of nonsense..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > are believers because they just want to..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > or have to....... believe.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > it's the only way they can live with themselves..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and their hollow lives.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > it's an " excuse " little cisco.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It boils down to whether or not you trust the words of the

guru - the Self as manifested as Nisargadatta.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I don't get it, that you'd say that!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your quote is awesome but I was also assuming! that

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You yourself were having the same experience as Nis.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For me, " it all boils down " to my own personal experience:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My trusting my own experience:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would never trust another's experience, ever..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Until it was also, PRIMARILY, my own.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Still, I think you're probably on the

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Right track, "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (whatever that means...hope I don't sound too presumptuous)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My own experience would quite possibly never have happened had " i "

not trusted the words of the guru is the point.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That clears up my confusion: perfect!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > and my experience..

> > > > >

> > > > > despite the words of any or all gurus..

> > > > >

> > > > > sutras..haiku..bibles..saints...mystics..

> > > > >

> > > > > and any and all other bullshit..

> > > > >

> > > > > has proven beautifully to me..

> > > > >

> > > > > in perfect fashion and form..

> > > > >

> > > > > that there are smarmy..unrepentant..nonreciprocating..ignorant

> > > > >

> > > > > cheap assholes in the world.

> > > > >

> > > > > and that they would have you believe that they believe..

> > > > >

> > > > > their own crap and excuses.

> > > > >

> > > > > not to mention names but to mention one name anyway:

> > > > >

> > > > > robert amory..aka ~sky..aka mstrdmmlbrn.

> > > > >

> > > > > love and kisses pancho.

> > > > >

> > > > > LOL!

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Do you " believe " your own crap and excuses?

> > >

> > >

> > > that's not been my experience.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> > Whew!

>

>

> YEAH!

>

>

>

> The " problem, " if there IS one,

>

>

> And I don't think there is one,

>

> Well, not necessarily, just significantly,

>

> (For me, an admittedly fine point,

>

> Is that " it " can be significant yet unnecessary)

>

>

>

> Is that he DOESN'T know that!!

>

>

> (In his avowed fragmentation,

>

> He doesn't know just how fragmented he is:

>

>

> He IS SUCCESSFULLY fragmented.)

>

>

> That IS his freedom:

>

>

> In PERFECT play.

 

 

why don't you address the real issue?

 

not me..

 

YOU!

 

and why you are such a cheapo..

 

and expect everyone to just GIVE you everything YOU want and need...

 

without even a gesture on your part of reciprocation.

 

perfect play?

 

perfect pretentious pretending that you are anything but a loser.

 

..b b.b.

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roberibus111

Nisargadatta

Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:36 PM

Re: Ego, realization, conceptual and nonconceptual

(who's he?)

 

 

Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

> <douglasmitch1963@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

> > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

> > > > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 "

> > > > > > > > <douglasmitch1963@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds "

> > > > > > > > > > <skywords@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta ,

> > > > > > > > > > > " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <skywords@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <skywords@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I've asked myself precisely those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > questions.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I've COMPLETELY changed from believing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " no freedom, hence, compassion. "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To " absolute freedom, hence no need for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no need for anything... but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compassion arises, anyway.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One cannot but tend toward compassion toward

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another, when that other is oneself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, AND

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are choices made

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions change things

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The will has an effect

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One can resist one's Self

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is the freedom to be utterly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Demonic, destructive, idiotic, trivial

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Negative and UNFREE for it's own sake:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Merely to be free to be unfree

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and (for me, this is the BEST NEWS)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > One CAN

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciously and deliberately decide to willfully:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Truly be blissfully happy, loving, compassionate

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Freely in the Now

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Most Gleefully in the Know

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (without ANY prerequisites, processes, etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the idea of " not this without that, not that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > without this, "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is pure suffering, spiritually. Science is NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > poetry/spirit/feeling and poetry/spirit/feeling is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly science. To equate the two realms is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > suffering.)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In " I AM That " Nisargadatta said, " I do not need to

> > > > > > > > > > > > make an effort; the deed follows the thought,

> > > > > > > > > > > > without delay and friction. I have also found that

> > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts become self-fulfilling; things would fall

> > > > > > > > > > > > into place smoothly and rightly. The main change was

> > > > > > > > > > > > in the mind; it became motionless and silent,

> > > > > > > > > > > > responding quickly, but not perpetuating the

> > > > > > > > > > > > response. Spontaneity became a way of life, the real

> > > > > > > > > > > > became natural and the natural became real. And

> > > > > > > > > > > > above all, infinite affection, love, dark and quiet,

> > > > > > > > > > > > radiating in all directions, embracing all, making

> > > > > > > > > > > > all interesting and beautiful, significant and

> > > > > > > > > > > > auspicious. "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > BEAUTIFUL!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > smoooooooooooooooth eh pancho?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > just like you'd like it to be.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > it's not.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > it's just words on a page like words in a bible.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the believers in both kinds of nonsense..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > are believers because they just want to..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > or have to....... believe.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > it's the only way they can live with themselves..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and their hollow lives.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > it's an " excuse " little cisco.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It boils down to whether or not you trust the words of the

> > > > > > > > > guru - the Self as manifested as Nisargadatta.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I don't get it, that you'd say that!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your quote is awesome but I was also assuming! that

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You yourself were having the same experience as Nis.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For me, " it all boils down " to my own personal experience:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My trusting my own experience:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would never trust another's experience, ever..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Until it was also, PRIMARILY, my own.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Still, I think you're probably on the

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Right track, "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (whatever that means...hope I don't sound too presumptuous)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My own experience would quite possibly never have happened had

> > > > > > > " i " not trusted the words of the guru is the point.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That clears up my confusion: perfect!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > and my experience..

> > > > >

> > > > > despite the words of any or all gurus..

> > > > >

> > > > > sutras..haiku..bibles..saints...mystics..

> > > > >

> > > > > and any and all other bullshit..

> > > > >

> > > > > has proven beautifully to me..

> > > > >

> > > > > in perfect fashion and form..

> > > > >

> > > > > that there are smarmy..unrepentant..nonreciprocating..ignorant

> > > > >

> > > > > cheap assholes in the world.

> > > > >

> > > > > and that they would have you believe that they believe..

> > > > >

> > > > > their own crap and excuses.

> > > > >

> > > > > not to mention names but to mention one name anyway:

> > > > >

> > > > > robert amory..aka ~sky..aka mstrdmmlbrn.

> > > > >

> > > > > love and kisses pancho.

> > > > >

> > > > > LOL!

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Do you " believe " your own crap and excuses?

> > >

> > >

> > > that's not been my experience.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> > Whew!

>

>

> YEAH!

>

>

>

> The " problem, " if there IS one,

>

>

> And I don't think there is one,

>

> Well, not necessarily, just significantly,

>

> (For me, an admittedly fine point,

>

> Is that " it " can be significant yet unnecessary)

>

>

>

> Is that he DOESN'T know that!!

>

>

> (In his avowed fragmentation,

>

> He doesn't know just how fragmented he is:

>

>

> He IS SUCCESSFULLY fragmented.)

>

>

> That IS his freedom:

>

>

> In PERFECT play.

 

why don't you address the real issue?

 

not me..

 

YOU!

 

and why you are such a cheapo..

 

and expect everyone to just GIVE you everything YOU want and need...

 

without even a gesture on your part of reciprocation.

 

perfect play?

 

perfect pretentious pretending that you are anything but a loser.

 

..b b.b.

 

Hmmm...you seem really pissed of having given him/her something!! Really

ressented. Very much so.

-geo-