Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. -- from " I Am That " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > -- from " I Am That " > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. > > Werner > Do " you " recognize an unknowable " source " ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. > > > > Werner > > > Do " you " recognize an unknowable " source " ? > Hm, is it something like the Universal Pretzel ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > Do " you " recognize an unknowable " source " ? > > > > > Hm, is it something like the Universal Pretzel ? > > Werner > Differently put, is there a source of consciousness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > Do " you " recognize an unknowable " source " ? > > > > > > > > > Hm, is it something like the Universal Pretzel ? > > > > Werner > > > > > Differently put, is there a source of consciousness? > One should think so.... ;-) ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > Do " you " recognize an unknowable " source " ? > > > > > > > > > Hm, is it something like the Universal Pretzel ? > > > > Werner > > > > > Differently put, is there a source of consciousness? > Such a thing as consciousness does not exist, Doug. But there are appearances like objetcs, sounds, smells, dreams, thoughts etc created by a network of millions of firing neurons. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. > > > > Werner > > >D: Do " you " recognize an unknowable " source " ? What is the referent of the word absolute? A word is like a pie, it has something inside. An abstract word is a word pie. It has only words inside. When you bite into the word absolute what other words do you find? Of course, it depends who baked the pie. When Nis baked an absolute pie, he put only the finest words inside. Words such as: " The absolute is not aware of itself. " If you don't get what that means, you're kidding yourself. He made it very plain: The ABSOLUTE IS COMPLETE ABSENT OF AWARENESS! Even the most unenlightened jiba has been completely unaware of existing. We all can be aware of not having been aware. Your awareness perceives the absolute as the unaware Other. If you ask me what is the absolute, as a Zen man I'd answer: Were you feeling the absent of a tiger in your room before you read this? No, you didn't. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > Do " you " recognize an unknowable " source " ? > > > > > Hm, is it something like the Universal Pretzel ? > > Werner no. it's like a Universal Turing Machine nitwit. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Do " you " recognize an unknowable " source " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm, is it something like the Universal Pretzel ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Differently put, is there a source of consciousness? > > > > > Such a thing as consciousness does not exist, Doug. > > But there are appearances like objetcs, sounds, smells, dreams, thoughts etc created by a network of millions of firing neurons. > > Werner just because you are unconscious wernie.. doesn't mean intelligent people are in the same state. stay thirsty my friend. the most interesting man in the world: ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Do " you " recognize an unknowable " source " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm, is it something like the Universal Pretzel ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Differently put, is there a source of consciousness? > > > > > Such a thing as consciousness does not exist, Doug. > > But there are appearances like objetcs, sounds, smells, dreams, thoughts etc created by a network of millions of firing neurons. > > Werner > I acknowledge that consciousness is an abstraction and a concept, and so is " the source " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > Do " you " recognize an unknowable " source " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm, is it something like the Universal Pretzel ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > Differently put, is there a source of consciousness? > > > > > > > > > Such a thing as consciousness does not exist, Doug. > > > > But there are appearances like objetcs, sounds, smells, dreams, thoughts etc created by a network of millions of firing neurons. > > > > Werner > > > I acknowledge that consciousness is an abstraction and a concept, and so is " the source " . > I know nothing. Intimate strangers. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which > no one else does. > > Werner Anybody can say they feel or see something no one else does. How is that helpful? Who cares about a 'someone else'? Only a 'me here'. Peace... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > Do " you " recognize an unknowable " source " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm, is it something like the Universal Pretzel ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > Differently put, is there a source of consciousness? > > > > > > > > > Such a thing as consciousness does not exist, Doug. > > > > But there are appearances like objetcs, sounds, smells, dreams, thoughts etc created by a network of millions of firing neurons. > > > > Werner > > > I acknowledge that consciousness is an abstraction and a concept, and so is " the source " . > Consciousness comes and goes. Awareness shines immutably. - Nisargadatta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which > no one else does. > > > > Werner > > Anybody can say they feel or see something no one else does. > > How is that helpful? At least it will help you to sing your old song again: " Only a 'me here' " Peace, Love and Bliss Werner > > Who cares about a 'someone else'? > > Only a 'me here'. > > Peace... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963 wrote: > > Consciousness comes and goes. Awareness shines immutably. - > Nisargadatta Yes... awareness is there, whether thought is there or not. It has nothing to do with 'being aware of' something, i.e. a thought arising about something. It is the 'background' of all thought and experience, so to speak, and is cognizant of consciousness as a whole, as a gestalt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do " you " recognize an unknowable " source " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm, is it something like the Universal Pretzel ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Differently put, is there a source of consciousness? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such a thing as consciousness does not exist, Doug. > > > > > > But there are appearances like objetcs, sounds, smells, dreams, thoughts etc created by a network of millions of firing neurons. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > I acknowledge that consciousness is an abstraction and a concept, and so is " the source " . > > > > > > I know nothing. > > Intimate strangers. > > ~A now THAT anna is one of your best poems! straight shootin'. good stuff. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which > no one else does. > > > > Werner > > Anybody can say they feel or see something no one else does. > > How is that helpful? > > Who cares about a 'someone else'? > > Only a 'me here'. > > Peace... there is no help. hope is a dream. surrendering unto: the ultimate and inevitable and always and ever annihilation.. of all and everything dreamed of.. felt..thought..known.. is the whole of Law. IT is the ONLY way. come unto Me..My little lambs... for the fire burns even NOW! for it is that THAT Loves " you " so much.. it will eat you up. thou art consumed in It's Heart. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. > > Werner Yes, you're right. No one and nothing is left out. No one and nothing knows this, so no one and nothing is left out. - Dan - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. > > > > Werner > > Yes, you're right. > > No one and nothing is left out. > > No one and nothing knows this, so no one and nothing is left out. Well, let's get " no one " and " nothing " back into the picture then... the poor fellows must be feeling awfully forlorn, being left out that way ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Questioner: How is the Absolute experienced? > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta: It is not an object to be recognised and stored up in memory. It is in the present and in feeling rather. It has more to do with the 'how' than with the 'what'. It is in the quality, in the value; being the source of everything, it is in everything. > > > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that is what makes a real guru: To feel and see something which no one else does. > > > > > > Werner > > > > Yes, you're right. > > > > No one and nothing is left out. > > > > No one and nothing knows this, so no one and nothing is left out. > > Well, let's get " no one " and " nothing " back into the picture then... the poor fellows must be feeling awfully forlorn, being left out that way ;-). Funny. No one and nothing decided to hang out with nobody else. Somehow, they didn't get any feeling of accomplishment. - Dan - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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