Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Nisargadatta encouraged people to go search for the I am because he knew that there was no such thing. The conceptual mind is confined to searching within its own little bucket of words.....(a self-referential closed loop)......for its true identity when the searching IS its identity. Nissy suggested that we stop swinging from the branches and kill the root. Conceptual thought evolved to look out. Looking in......it sees nothing. For one very good reason. This is the most terrifying thing that the identified entity can pursue. Most recoil back into the familiar. A few continue on....and simply evaporate in the light of awareness. But you won't get it by thinking that you already have it. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:09 PM Nizzy's I Am Nisargadatta encouraged people to go search for the I am because he knew that there was no such thing. The conceptual mind is confined to searching within its own little bucket of words.....(a self-referential closed loop)......for its true identity when the searching IS its identity. Nissy suggested that we stop swinging from the branches and kill the root. Conceptual thought evolved to look out. Looking in......it sees nothing. For one very good reason. This is the most terrifying thing that the identified entity can pursue. Most recoil back into the familiar. A few continue on....and simply evaporate in the light of awareness. But you won't get it by thinking that you already have it. toombaru But...but...but...toomba...will I still be able to write compendiums about it?? -edg2- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:09 PM > Nizzy's I Am > > > > > Nisargadatta encouraged people to go search for the I am because he knew > that there was no such thing. > > The conceptual mind is confined to searching within its own little bucket of > words.....(a self-referential closed loop)......for its true identity when > the searching IS its identity. > > Nissy suggested that we stop swinging from the branches and kill the root. > > Conceptual thought evolved to look out. > > Looking in......it sees nothing. > > For one very good reason. > > This is the most terrifying thing that the identified entity can pursue. > > Most recoil back into the familiar. > > A few continue on....and simply evaporate in the light of awareness. > > But you won't get it by thinking that you already have it. > > toombaru > > But...but...but...toomba...will I still be able to write compendiums about > it?? > -edg2- > Writing will happen......or not......but no longer will there a little man claiming to be the author. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:29 PM Re: Nizzy's I Am Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:09 PM > Nizzy's I Am > > > > > Nisargadatta encouraged people to go search for the I am because he knew > that there was no such thing. > > The conceptual mind is confined to searching within its own little bucket > of > words.....(a self-referential closed loop)......for its true identity when > the searching IS its identity. > > Nissy suggested that we stop swinging from the branches and kill the root. > > Conceptual thought evolved to look out. > > Looking in......it sees nothing. > > For one very good reason. > > This is the most terrifying thing that the identified entity can pursue. > > Most recoil back into the familiar. > > A few continue on....and simply evaporate in the light of awareness. > > But you won't get it by thinking that you already have it. > > toombaru > > But...but...but...toomba...will I still be able to write compendiums about > it?? > -edg2- > Writing will happen......or not......but no longer will there a little man claiming to be the author. toombaru But I am BIG..my knowledge is enormous!! -edg2- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:29 PM > Re: Nizzy's I Am > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:09 PM > > Nizzy's I Am > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta encouraged people to go search for the I am because he knew > > that there was no such thing. > > > > The conceptual mind is confined to searching within its own little bucket > > of > > words.....(a self-referential closed loop)......for its true identity when > > the searching IS its identity. > > > > Nissy suggested that we stop swinging from the branches and kill the root. > > > > Conceptual thought evolved to look out. > > > > Looking in......it sees nothing. > > > > For one very good reason. > > > > This is the most terrifying thing that the identified entity can pursue. > > > > Most recoil back into the familiar. > > > > A few continue on....and simply evaporate in the light of awareness. > > > > But you won't get it by thinking that you already have it. > > > > toombaru > > > > But...but...but...toomba...will I still be able to write compendiums about > > it?? > > -edg2- > > > > Writing will happen......or not......but no longer will there a little man > claiming to be the author. > > toombaru > > But I am BIG..my knowledge is enormous!! > -edg2- > It really feels like we are real doesn't it? ............and important too. LOL toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta encouraged people to go search for the I am because he knew that there was no such thing. > > The conceptual mind is confined to searching within its own little bucket of words.....(a self-referential closed loop)......for its true identity when the searching IS its identity. Yes. The search is also an attempt to escape or control suffering. And thus, a non-acknowledgment that suffering is what one is. > Nissy suggested that we stop swinging from the branches and kill the root. > > Conceptual thought evolved to look out. > > Looking in......it sees nothing. > > For one very good reason. > > This is the most terrifying thing that the identified entity can pursue. > > Most recoil back into the familiar. > > A few continue on....and simply evaporate in the light of awareness. > > But you won't get it by thinking that you already have it. Yes, you won't understand the thorough and instantaneous destruction of any sense of having had an existence by maintaining an attempt to attach to a thought as yours. However, there is no volition involved. And as awareness is as it is, the attempt to maintain an attachment to a thought as yours, must dissolve automatically, can't be continued. What is not, can't attempt to be. So, it's a simple matter of being aware. And can't be helped (pun intended). - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 At 11:09 AM 8/9/2009, you wrote: Nisargadatta encouraged people to go search for the I am because he knew that there was no such thing. Edg: Absolute bullshit. Inquiry is to immediately realize the ultimate Identity -- not to do neti on the ego. You have it backwards, and all your posts show this. I doubt you even understand the point I'm making. The conceptual mind is confined to searching within its own little bucket of words.....(a self-referential closed loop)......for its true identity when the searching IS its identity. Edg: Again, such bullshit. You're teaching bullshit. " Searching " is not anything but a processing. Identity is beyond processing. Nissy suggested that we stop swinging from the branches and kill the root. Conceptual thought evolved to look out. Edg: Bullfucking shit. Concepts that remove the attachment to conceptuality are thorns that remove thorns. The intellect is a tool to reach the finest level of being and from there grace can suddenly descend upon one just as it does to the bhakti who's practice worshiping enough to reside in that rarified realm. For you to make fun of the use of the intellect is completely opposed to any teaching of Nisargadatta. Looking in......it sees nothing. For one very good reason. This is the most terrifying thing that the identified entity can pursue. Most recoil back into the familiar. A few continue on....and simply evaporate in the light of awareness. But you won't get it by thinking that you already have it. toombaru Edg: Are you accusing me of thinking I already have it, and that I'm happy with a mere thought passing through my mind? Don't answer -- try silence -- it's the one thing even a fool can resort to and be correct 100% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 From edg to fucking edg it's all the same fucking edge. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Boring, eh? Edg At 01:25 PM 8/10/2009, you wrote: From edg to fucking edg it's all the same fucking edge. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 .....sometimes.... ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > ....sometimes.... ;-) When I bore ya, you have my permission to stop reading -- I know you enjoy my arty hearties a lot, but I do drag on and on. You poets love abstraction cuz it gives your brain the triggering ya wants but still allows you to personalize the meaning you project into words arbitrarily such that your sense of creative freedom is not pinched. I get it. Me, not so much a poet, cuz I write to manipulate, and that requires precision that I have yet to master, and so I barf and retch long after my stomach's empty. Sigh. But, defensively let me state: saturation requires repetition and the intellect can easily make the mistake of discounting the value of therapeutic iterations. It is human nature to repeat -- and hey, who doesn't know this? If I said, " I love you " merely once to my gal and then insisted that once was enough, cuz, " hey you understood me, " why I'd be in a world of hurt, right? Something gets built with repetition that cannot be gained by merely intellectual transfer of concept. The concept isn't really integrated until one " fits it into " many, many, many life scenarios. I've gotta tell her I love her when she's just getting out of bed in flannels with a hair bump and bad breath, right? She wants to know that I'm seeing her as transcendental to her parts, right? Just so, one must woo the brain into adopting the Advaitan intellectual point of view. Keep telling the brain " that's resonant, and that's resonant, that tastes like Advaita " and sooner or later the brain will be well versed, and a sort of intellectual quiescence is thereby achieved. Not that seeking stops, but that the urgency of seeking is greatly lessened. One knows that inquiry is valid and to stay on that path now makes " gelled sense. " One is no longer obeying a command to do inquiry as much as one is downright in love with inquiry. Nowadays, I can read any scripture and see Advaitan concepts being bandied for the people targeted when the scriptures were written. Christ spoke of a father in heaven -- I get it. Hindus speak of Mother Divine -- I get it. Those with eyes can see. And, now I can work on heart much more, cuz the intellect is clear that the heart is naturally resonant with Advaita and should be nurtured more than instructed. There's goodness in everyone that is sooooooo thirsty, eh? Still reading? Was it too much again? Sue me! Edg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 > > Nowadays, I can read any scripture and see Advaitan concepts being bandied for the people targeted when the scriptures were written. Christ spoke of a father in heaven -- I get it. Hindus speak of Mother Divine -- I get it. Those with eyes can see. Perhaps you would care to elucidate the advaitan concepts in the following scripture: If your son chooses another God you should stone him to death. Don't beat your wife with a stick bigger than your thumb or your child with a stick bigger than your finger. " For I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever. " (Jeremiah 3:12) " Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever. " (Jeremiah 17:4) " If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. " (John 5:31) " Jesus answered: Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid. " (John 8:14) " And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. " (Matthew 28:18) " the whole world is under control of the evil one. " (1 John 5:19) And Jesus said, " For judgement I am come into this world. " (John 9:39) " I came not to judge the world " (John 12:47) " Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. " (Matthew 5:16) " Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. " (Matthew 6:1) " Jacob said, 'I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.' " (Genesis 32:30) " No man hath seen God at any time. " (John 1:18) We should fear God (Matthew 10:28) We should love God (Matthew 22:37) There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18) The Arguments from Confusion and Biblical Defects Foolery " But anyone who says 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. " (Jesus) Mat 5:22 " You fools! " (Jesus) Luke 11:40 " You blind fools! " (Jesus) Mat 23:17 " How foolish you are " (Jesus) Luke 24:25 " But God said to him, 'You fool!' " (Jesus) Luke 12:20 " You foolish Galatians! " (St. Paul) Galatians 3:1 " You foolish man " James 2:20 (Also - Psalms 14:1 and again at 53:1 - you have to think me a fool because I have said in my heart that there is no God - oops, both of us in hell now!) Feedback: This " foolery " section has been criticised and is discussed further here. Jesus teaches us how to turn the cheek and forgive those who trespass against us... " Whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father. " [Matt. x, 33.] " Whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness. " [Mark iii, 29.] " Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee ... tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican. " [Matt. xviii, 15-17.] Rejoicing " Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles... If your enemy is hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink... He who rejoices at calamity shall not go unpunished. " [Prov. 24:17; 25:21; 17:5] " The Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you " [Deut. 28:63] " The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance, he will bathe his feet in the blood of the wicked " [Ps. 58:10] Mercy " Blessed are the merciful " [Matthew 5:7] " Leave alive nothing that breathes. Show them no mercy. " [Deut. 7:2] " The Lord hardened their hearts... that they might receive no mercy. " [Joshua 11:20] " I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the Lord: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them. A curse on him who is lax in doing the Lord's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed. " [Jer. 13:14; 48:10] Love? " I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children. " (Leviticus 26:22) " Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man. " (Numbers 31:17-18) " The Lord commands: " ... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women " (Ezechial 9:4-6) " When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males ..... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. " (Deuteronomy 20:13-14) " You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you. " (Deuteronomy 28:53) " The Lord said to Joshua [...] 'you are to hamstring their horses.' " (Exceedingly cruel.) (Joshua 11:6) " ... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy. " (Judges 21:10-12) " This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass .... And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword. " (1 Samuel 15:3,7-8) " The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their women with child ripped open. " (Hosea 13:16) " A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed! " (Jeremiah 48:10) Is this really the " word of God " or the cruel thoughts of Bronze age warriors? Did you know this was in the bible? If not then are you shocked? If you did know it was there then is Christianity really about a healthy loving relationship or is it a case of the Stockholm syndrome? Is God A Criminal? The bible god admits he performs evil acts. (As if the above was not proof enough!) A Christian wrote: " God did not create evil. Evil is simply the state where God is not present. " If " God did not create evil " then what of the following? Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Exodus 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. Joshua 23:15 Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things. Judges 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit 1 Samuel 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. 2 Samuel 12:11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house 1 Kings 9:9 ...therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil. 1 Kings 14:10 Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam 2 Kings 6:33 ...Behold, this evil is of the LORD; 2 Kings 21:12 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle. 2 Kings 22:16 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place 2 Chronicles 34:24 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof... Nehemiah 13:18 Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? Jeremiah 4:6 Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction. Jeremiah 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people Jeremiah 11:11 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them Jeremiah 25:29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil Jeremiah 35:17 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them: Jeremiah 44:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Ye have seen all the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, and upon all the cities of Judah Jeremiah 45:5 ...behold, I will bring evil upon all flesh, saith the LORD: Jeremiah 49:37 ...I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them: Micah 1:12 .... evil came down from the LORD Micah 2:3 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, against this family do I devise an evil " It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being. " - Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. Just as all the contradictions in human personalities, behaviors, social groups. How about the black widow? She woos to kill ... You don't need to stone her though, she's already stoned. Everybody must get stoned. And when Quinn the Eskimo gets here, he'll see to it. -- D -- Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > Nowadays, I can read any scripture and see Advaitan concepts being bandied for the people targeted when the scriptures were written. Christ spoke of a father in heaven -- I get it. Hindus speak of Mother Divine -- I get it. Those with eyes can see. > > > > Perhaps you would care to elucidate the advaitan concepts in the following scripture: > > > If your son chooses another God you should stone him to death. > > Don't beat your wife with a stick bigger than your thumb or your child with a stick bigger than your finger. > > " For I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever. " (Jeremiah 3:12) > " Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever. " (Jeremiah 17:4) > > " If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. " (John 5:31) > " Jesus answered: Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid. " (John 8:14) > > " And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. " (Matthew 28:18) > " the whole world is under control of the evil one. " (1 John 5:19) > > And Jesus said, " For judgement I am come into this world. " (John 9:39) > " I came not to judge the world " (John 12:47) > > " Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. " (Matthew 5:16) > " Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. " (Matthew 6:1) > > " Jacob said, 'I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.' " (Genesis 32:30) > " No man hath seen God at any time. " (John 1:18) > > We should fear God (Matthew 10:28) > We should love God (Matthew 22:37) > There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18) > > The Arguments from Confusion and Biblical Defects > > Foolery > > " But anyone who says 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. " (Jesus) Mat 5:22 > > " You fools! " (Jesus) Luke 11:40 > " You blind fools! " (Jesus) Mat 23:17 > " How foolish you are " (Jesus) Luke 24:25 > > " But God said to him, 'You fool!' " (Jesus) Luke 12:20 > > " You foolish Galatians! " (St. Paul) Galatians 3:1 > " You foolish man " James 2:20 > > (Also - Psalms 14:1 and again at 53:1 - you have to think me a fool because I have said in my heart that there is no God - oops, both of us in hell now!) > > Feedback: This " foolery " section has been criticised and is discussed further here. > > Jesus teaches us how to turn the cheek and forgive those who trespass against us... > > " Whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father. " [Matt. x, 33.] > > " Whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness. " [Mark iii, 29.] > > " Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee ... tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican. " [Matt. xviii, 15-17.] > > Rejoicing > > " Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles... If your enemy is hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink... He who rejoices at calamity shall not go unpunished. " [Prov. 24:17; 25:21; 17:5] > " The Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you " [Deut. 28:63] > " The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance, he will bathe his feet in the blood of the wicked " [Ps. 58:10] > > Mercy > > " Blessed are the merciful " [Matthew 5:7] > " Leave alive nothing that breathes. Show them no mercy. " [Deut. 7:2] > " The Lord hardened their hearts... that they might receive no mercy. " [Joshua 11:20] > " I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the Lord: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them. A curse on him who is lax in doing the Lord's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed. " [Jer. 13:14; 48:10] > > Love? > > " I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children. " (Leviticus 26:22) > > " Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man. " (Numbers 31:17-18) > > " The Lord commands: " ... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women " (Ezechial 9:4-6) > > " When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males ..... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. " (Deuteronomy 20:13-14) > > " You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you. " (Deuteronomy 28:53) > > " The Lord said to Joshua [...] 'you are to hamstring their horses.' " (Exceedingly cruel.) (Joshua 11:6) > > " ... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy. " (Judges 21:10-12) > > " This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass .... And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword. " (1 Samuel 15:3,7-8) > > " The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their women with child ripped open. " (Hosea 13:16) > > " A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work! > A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed! " (Jeremiah 48:10) > > Is this really the " word of God " or the cruel thoughts of Bronze age warriors? > Did you know this was in the bible? If not then are you shocked? If you did know it was there then is Christianity really about a healthy loving relationship or is it a case of the Stockholm syndrome? > > Is God A Criminal? > > The bible god admits he performs evil acts. (As if the above was not proof enough!) > > A Christian wrote: " God did not create evil. Evil is simply the state where God is not present. " > > If " God did not create evil " then what of the following? > > Isaiah 45:7 > I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. > > Exodus 32:14 > And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. > > Joshua 23:15 > Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things. > > Judges 9:23 > Then God sent an evil spirit > > 1 Samuel 16:14 > But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. > > 2 Samuel 12:11 > Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house > > 1 Kings 9:9 > ...therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil. > > 1 Kings 14:10 > Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam > > 2 Kings 6:33 ...Behold, this evil is of the LORD; > > 2 Kings 21:12 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle. > > 2 Kings 22:16 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place > > 2 Chronicles 34:24 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof... > > Nehemiah 13:18 Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? > > Jeremiah 4:6 Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction. > > Jeremiah 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people > > Jeremiah 11:11 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them > > Jeremiah 25:29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil > > Jeremiah 35:17 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them: > > Jeremiah 44:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Ye have seen all the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, and upon all the cities of Judah > > Jeremiah 45:5 ...behold, I will bring evil upon all flesh, saith the LORD: > > Jeremiah 49:37 ...I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them: > > Micah 1:12 .... evil came down from the LORD > > Micah 2:3 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, against this family do I devise an evil > " It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. 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Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical thinking. The scriptures of all religions are ludicrous folk tales. There is a very good reason that no human.....living or dead.....knows anything about things spiritual. Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't one. toombaru toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical > thinking. All thinking is 'magical thinking'. It all pretends to separate the perceiver from the perceived. > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't > one. Yes, the thought above, as well. The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " that is present, now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical > > thinking. > > All thinking is 'magical thinking'. Yes.......and yet some is based on physical-repeatable relationships and some is based on imaginary-fear-based speculations. > > It all pretends to separate the perceiver from the perceived. > > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't > > one. > > Yes, the thought above, as well. > > The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " that is present, now. > Just like the people in your dreams last night? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > Yes, the thought above, as well. > > > > The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " that is present, now. > > > > > > > Just like the people in your dreams last night? Now it's 'me' and 'you', and 'now' vs. 'last night', and 'dream' vs. 'reality'. Very, very important. The more separation, the more I can avoid myself, and the more I can avoid / split away from myself, the more I can " be " myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:02 AM Re: Nizzy's I Am Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical thinking. The scriptures of all religions are ludicrous folk tales. There is a very good reason that no human.....living or dead.....knows anything about things spiritual. Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't one. toombaru One who sees it....recognises scriptures comming from others who are seeing the same. Obvious. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 11/8/2009 06:52:25 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical thinking. > The scriptures of all religions are ludicrous folk tales. > There is a very good reason that no human.....living or dead.....knows anything about things spiritual. > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't one. > > > > > > toombaru > No one is thinking, Toom. And without thought going on, it's very clear when a circular thought process defends against suffering. Awareness is like a mirror. Have you noticed? Smiles, -- D -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical > > thinking. > > All thinking is 'magical thinking'. > > It all pretends to separate the perceiver from the perceived. > > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't > > one. > > Yes, the thought above, as well. > > The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " that is present, now. The amazing thing about thought is that it can go 'round and 'round restating the same formulae over and over compulsively without getting tired of doing so. Thought can project " self " as something that others suffer from " out there, " and can endlessly repeat its conclusions that there is no self, everything " out there " is being done for selves that don't exist -- and never notice the self involved in the ever-repeating thought loops. It's an amazing sight. In various forms, this is what is going on around the world, across cultures, and on the advaita e-lists as well. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical > > > thinking. > > > > All thinking is 'magical thinking'. > Yes.......and yet some is based on physical-repeatable relationships and some is based on imaginary-fear-based speculations. > > > > > > > > It all pretends to separate the perceiver from the perceived. > > > > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't > > > one. > > > > Yes, the thought above, as well. > > > > The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " that is present, now. > > > > > > > Just like the people in your dreams last night? > > > > toombaru Just like the dream constructed by your thought as it loops around again. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:02 AM > Re: Nizzy's I Am > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical thinking. > The scriptures of all religions are ludicrous folk tales. > There is a very good reason that no human.....living or dead.....knows > anything about things spiritual. > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't one. > > toombaru > > One who sees it....recognises scriptures comming from others who are seeing > the same. Obvious. Thought is involved in human life from the very first steps. There is an awareness prior to thought, from before the first step. That awareness comes through in many vehicles. For one who has eyes to see, it is coming through every pore of the body. There is nothing for thought to negate. Just is. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical thinking. > > The scriptures of all religions are ludicrous folk tales. > > There is a very good reason that no human.....living or dead.....knows anything about things spiritual. > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't one. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > No one is thinking, Toom. > > And without thought going on, it's very clear when a circular thought process defends against suffering. > > Awareness is like a mirror. > > Have you noticed? > > Smiles, > > > -- D -- > No.......but the image is beginning to suspect that sumthin ain't right. LOL toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical > > > thinking. > > > > All thinking is 'magical thinking'. > > > > It all pretends to separate the perceiver from the perceived. > > > > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't > > > one. > > > > Yes, the thought above, as well. > > > > The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " that is present, now. > > > The amazing thing about thought is that it can go 'round and 'round restating the same formulae over and over compulsively without getting tired of doing so. > > Thought can project " self " as something that others suffer from " out there, " and can endlessly repeat its conclusions that there is no self, everything " out there " is being done for selves that don't exist -- and never notice the self involved in the ever-repeating thought loops. > > It's an amazing sight. > > In various forms, this is what is going on around the world, across cultures, and on the advaita e-lists as well. > > - D - > For us there is only this one arena. Some see that.......some don't. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical > > > > thinking. > > > > > > All thinking is 'magical thinking'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes.......and yet some is based on physical-repeatable relationships and some is based on imaginary-fear-based speculations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It all pretends to separate the perceiver from the perceived. > > > > > > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't > > > > one. > > > > > > Yes, the thought above, as well. > > > > > > The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " that is present, now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just like the people in your dreams last night? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Just like the dream constructed by your thought as it loops around again. > > - D - > Yes.......except the " your thought " part. :-) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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