Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical > > > > thinking. > > > > > > All thinking is 'magical thinking'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes.......and yet some is based on physical-repeatable relationships and some is based on imaginary-fear-based speculations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It all pretends to separate the perceiver from the perceived. > > > > > > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't > > > > one. > > > > > > Yes, the thought above, as well. > > > > > > The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " that is present, now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just like the people in your dreams last night? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > And another way to phrase this that might be more comfortable to hear: > > Just like the dream constructed by my thought, as it loops around again. > > - D - > Yes......except for the " my " part. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical > > > thinking. > > > > All thinking is 'magical thinking'. > > > > It all pretends to separate the perceiver from the perceived. > > > > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't > > > one. > > > > Yes, the thought above, as well. > > > > The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " that is present, now. > > > The amazing thing about thought is that it can go 'round and 'round restating the same formulae over and over compulsively without getting tired of doing so. > > Thought can project " self " as something that others suffer from " out there, " and can endlessly repeat its conclusions that there is no self, everything " out there " is being done for selves that don't exist -- and never notice the self involved in the ever-repeating thought loops. > > It's an amazing sight. Yup... There's a 'hidden' quality to the self, which I suspect is both ingrained habit (of projecting/introjecting) and avoidance. The self-and-other thing is so automatic, it generally isn't noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:04 PM Re: Nizzy's I Am Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as > > > > life. > > > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical > > > thinking. > > > > All thinking is 'magical thinking'. > > > > It all pretends to separate the perceiver from the perceived. > > > > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't > > > one. > > > > Yes, the thought above, as well. > > > > The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " > > that is present, now. > > > The amazing thing about thought is that it can go 'round and 'round > restating the same formulae over and over compulsively without getting > tired of doing so. > > Thought can project " self " as something that others suffer from " out > there, " and can endlessly repeat its conclusions that there is no self, > everything " out there " is being done for selves that don't exist -- and > never notice the self involved in the ever-repeating thought loops. > > It's an amazing sight. > > In various forms, this is what is going on around the world, across > cultures, and on the advaita e-lists as well. > > - D - > For us there is only this one arena. Some see that.......some don't. toombaru Just one " place " in this whole wide wild universe. Nowhere else. Kind of.....amazing... -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 11/8/2009 14:07:17 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:04 PM > Re: Nizzy's I Am > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical > > > > thinking. > > > > > > All thinking is 'magical thinking'. > > > > > > It all pretends to separate the perceiver from the perceived. > > > > > > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't > > > > one. > > > > > > Yes, the thought above, as well. > > > > > > The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " > > > that is present, now. > > > > > > The amazing thing about thought is that it can go 'round and 'round > > restating the same formulae over and over compulsively without getting > > tired of doing so. > > > > Thought can project " self " as something that others suffer from " out > > there, " and can endlessly repeat its conclusions that there is no self, > > everything " out there " is being done for selves that don't exist -- and > > never notice the self involved in the ever-repeating thought loops. > > > > It's an amazing sight. > > > > In various forms, this is what is going on around the world, across > > cultures, and on the advaita e-lists as well. > > > > - D - > > > > For us there is only this one arena. > > Some see that.......some don't. > > toombaru > > Just one " place " in this whole wide wild universe. Nowhere else. Kind > of.....amazing... > -geo- > > > > > > > > It's the Dream Of Separation.. ....that never happened. Welcome.....to the Zombie Jamboree. The lights dim.... ...The music begins. In the center of the stage....... ......a small figure dances in the spot light. Oh my god.............it's me! toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical thinking. > > > The scriptures of all religions are ludicrous folk tales. > > > There is a very good reason that no human.....living or dead.....knows anything about things spiritual. > > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > No one is thinking, Toom. > > > > And without thought going on, it's very clear when a circular thought process defends against suffering. > > > > Awareness is like a mirror. > > > > Have you noticed? > > > > Smiles, > > > > > > -- D -- > > > > > > No.......but the image is beginning to suspect that sumthin ain't right. > > > > > LOL > > > > > toombaru The image is coming apart, there is smoke in the air, and the film has developed a hole in it ... -- D -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical > > > > thinking. > > > > > > All thinking is 'magical thinking'. > > > > > > It all pretends to separate the perceiver from the perceived. > > > > > > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't > > > > one. > > > > > > Yes, the thought above, as well. > > > > > > The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " that is present, now. > > > > > > The amazing thing about thought is that it can go 'round and 'round restating the same formulae over and over compulsively without getting tired of doing so. > > > > Thought can project " self " as something that others suffer from " out there, " and can endlessly repeat its conclusions that there is no self, everything " out there " is being done for selves that don't exist -- and never notice the self involved in the ever-repeating thought loops. > > > > It's an amazing sight. > > > > In various forms, this is what is going on around the world, across cultures, and on the advaita e-lists as well. > > > > - D - > > > > > > For us there is only this one arena. > > Some see that.......some don't. toombaru The ones that see can get rid of the ones that don't see, so we can all be one. LOL. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:17 PM > Re: Nizzy's I Am > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:02 AM > > Re: Nizzy's I Am > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical thinking. > > The scriptures of all religions are ludicrous folk tales. > > There is a very good reason that no human.....living or dead.....knows > > anything about things spiritual. > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't one. > > > > toombaru > > > > One who sees it....recognises scriptures comming from others who are > > seeing > > the same. Obvious. > > Thought is involved in human life from the very first steps. > > There is an awareness prior to thought, from before the first step. > > That awareness comes through in many vehicles. > > For one who has eyes to see, it is coming through every pore of the body. > > There is nothing for thought to negate. > > Just is. > > - D - > > Well done...I prefer this discourse...:>)) > -geo- Cool! My work is not in vain. Time for a martini. Just kidding. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical > > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > All thinking is 'magical thinking'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes.......and yet some is based on physical-repeatable relationships and some is based on imaginary-fear-based speculations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It all pretends to separate the perceiver from the perceived. > > > > > > > > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't > > > > > one. > > > > > > > > Yes, the thought above, as well. > > > > > > > > The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " that is present, now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just like the people in your dreams last night? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > And another way to phrase this that might be more comfortable to hear: > > > > Just like the dream constructed by my thought, as it loops around again. > > > > - D - > > > > > > Yes......except for the " my " part. > > > > toombaru Trying to get rid of a part, is the " my " ... Preferring " me " not to be there, is the me ... - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical > > > > thinking. > > > > > > All thinking is 'magical thinking'. > > > > > > It all pretends to separate the perceiver from the perceived. > > > > > > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't > > > > one. > > > > > > Yes, the thought above, as well. > > > > > > The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " that is present, now. > > > > > > The amazing thing about thought is that it can go 'round and 'round restating the same formulae over and over compulsively without getting tired of doing so. > > > > Thought can project " self " as something that others suffer from " out there, " and can endlessly repeat its conclusions that there is no self, everything " out there " is being done for selves that don't exist -- and never notice the self involved in the ever-repeating thought loops. > > > > It's an amazing sight. > > Yup... > > There's a 'hidden' quality to the self, which I suspect is both ingrained habit (of projecting/introjecting) and avoidance. > > The self-and-other thing is so automatic, it generally isn't noticed. Exactly so. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical > > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > All thinking is 'magical thinking'. > > > > > > > > It all pretends to separate the perceiver from the perceived. > > > > > > > > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't > > > > > one. > > > > > > > > Yes, the thought above, as well. > > > > > > > > The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " that is present, now. > > > > > > > > > The amazing thing about thought is that it can go 'round and 'round restating the same formulae over and over compulsively without getting tired of doing so. > > > > > > Thought can project " self " as something that others suffer from " out there, " and can endlessly repeat its conclusions that there is no self, everything " out there " is being done for selves that don't exist -- and never notice the self involved in the ever-repeating thought loops. > > > > > > It's an amazing sight. > > > > Yup... > > > > There's a 'hidden' quality to the self, which I suspect is both ingrained habit (of projecting/introjecting) and avoidance. > > > > The self-and-other thing is so automatic, it generally isn't noticed. > > > Exactly so. > > - D - It isn't *me* that's suffering from the delusion of self, it's all those others, and... whoops ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a small mind that can't accept the paradoxes that abound as life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contradictions in scripture, or in teachings, are just evidence of life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is an absurd attempt to validate the belief in magical > > > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > > > All thinking is 'magical thinking'. > > > > > > > > > > It all pretends to separate the perceiver from the perceived. > > > > > > > > > > > Anything spiritual is relative to the self.......and there isn't > > > > > > one. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the thought above, as well. > > > > > > > > > > The above is an absurd attempt to separate from the feeling of " self " that is present, now. > > > > > > > > > > > > The amazing thing about thought is that it can go 'round and 'round restating the same formulae over and over compulsively without getting tired of doing so. > > > > > > > > Thought can project " self " as something that others suffer from " out there, " and can endlessly repeat its conclusions that there is no self, everything " out there " is being done for selves that don't exist -- and never notice the self involved in the ever-repeating thought loops. > > > > > > > > It's an amazing sight. > > > > > > Yup... > > > > > > There's a 'hidden' quality to the self, which I suspect is both ingrained habit (of projecting/introjecting) and avoidance. > > > > > > The self-and-other thing is so automatic, it generally isn't noticed. > > > > > > Exactly so. > > > > - D - > > It isn't *me* that's suffering from the delusion of self, it's all those others, and... whoops ;-). Oh, so you mean I am the delusion I am warning everyone about? LOL. Smiles and happy zebras, - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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