Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, thought, also happening 'here and now'. But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, that contains: " me " . Which also, incidentally, is as imaginary as the past, future and world that contain it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, that contains: > > " me " . -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, that contains: > > " me " . > > Which also, incidentally, is as imaginary as the past, future and world that contain it. > The here and now is a flow of changing contents of consciousness and they all are happening in your brain. What is if all that is part of a 'big dream' and not just your lovely 'here and now' ? Have you ever considered that, Tim ? Consciousness is all there is. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, that contains: > > > > " me " . > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > Marc True. The past/future/world is the 'self'. Where this imagination is " located " is irrelevant -- pinning it to 'the brain' is just another way to declare a past, future and world (for 'the brain' to exist in). This is an issue of " the mind " , not the brain, and it is tricky, as in the example above ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, that contains: > > > > > > " me " . > > > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > > > > > Marc > > True. The past/future/world is the 'self'. > > Where this imagination is " located " is irrelevant -- pinning it to 'the brain' is just another way to declare a past, future and world (for 'the brain' to exist in). > > This is an issue of " the mind " , not the brain, and it is tricky, as in the example above ;-). > yes....some good " spirit " in this words..... don't ask me about the definition of such " spirit " ... there is nobody existing who could give a definition... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:08 AM More 'here and now' If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, thought, also happening 'here and now'. But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, that contains: " me " . Which also, incidentally, is as imaginary as the past, future and world that contain it. -tim- Yes. Exactly. The whole history of mankind is in it. This stream is impersonal and very powerfull....till......impersonal presence downs. Then, where is its power? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM Re: More 'here and now' Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > that contains: > > " me " . -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " Marc There is a dynamism that invov]lves the centered ME and also the periphery as " society " . If you look impersonaly to our world/society you will notice that 99,99% of its values, guidelines, moralities, religions, pubs....are all based in " personality " values. So it is the ME and the society I live in. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, that contains: > > > > > > > > " me " . > > > > > > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > True. The past/future/world is the 'self'. > > > > Where this imagination is " located " is irrelevant -- pinning it to 'the brain' is just another way to declare a past, future and world (for 'the brain' to exist in). > > > > This is an issue of " the mind " , not the brain, and it is tricky, as in the example above ;-). > > > > > yes....some good " spirit " in this words..... > > don't ask me about the definition of such " spirit " ... > > there is nobody existing who could give a definition... > > > Marc > ......for one very good reason. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, that contains: > > > > > > > > > > " me " . > > > > > > > > > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > True. The past/future/world is the 'self'. > > > > > > Where this imagination is " located " is irrelevant -- pinning it to 'the brain' is just another way to declare a past, future and world (for 'the brain' to exist in). > > > > > > This is an issue of " the mind " , not the brain, and it is tricky, as in the example above ;-). > > > > > > > > > yes....some good " spirit " in this words..... > > > > don't ask me about the definition of such " spirit " ... > > > > there is nobody existing who could give a definition... > > > > > > Marc > > .....for one very good reason. > > > > > toombaru > exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > Re: More 'here and now' > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > that contains: > > > > " me " . > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > Marc > The self will assume any identity.....even that of being nothing. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a > > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > > that contains: > > > > > > " me " . > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > Marc > > > > > > The self will assume any identity.....even that of being nothing. > > > > toombaru > being nothing?..... sounds funny... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:50 AM Re: More 'here and now' Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > Re: More 'here and now' > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of > > a > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > that contains: > > > > " me " . > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > Marc > The self will assume any identity.....even that of being nothing. toombaru What is your selfs identity now? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:50 AM > Re: More 'here and now' > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of > > > a > > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > > that contains: > > > > > > " me " . > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > Marc > > > > The self will assume any identity.....even that of being nothing. > > toombaru > > What is your selfs identity now? > -geo- > A moving photo album. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:02 PM Re: More 'here and now' Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:50 AM > Re: More 'here and now' > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is > > > of > > > a > > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > > that contains: > > > > > > " me " . > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > Marc > > > > The self will assume any identity.....even that of being nothing. > > toombaru > > What is your selfs identity now? > -geo- > A moving photo album. toombaru LOL...that is not a self anymore! (besides...in our days we call it movies) :>)) -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:02 PM > Re: More 'here and now' > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:50 AM > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is > > > > of > > > > a > > > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > > > that contains: > > > > > > > > " me " . > > > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > The self will assume any identity.....even that of being nothing. > > > > toombaru > > > > What is your selfs identity now? > > -geo- > > > > A moving photo album. > > toombaru > > LOL...that is not a self anymore! (besides...in our days we call it movies) > :>)) > -geo- > Yeah......like that. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, that contains: > > > > " me " . > > > > Which also, incidentally, is as imaginary as the past, future and world that contain it. > > > > > The here and now is a flow of changing contents of consciousness and they all are happening in your brain. > > What is if all that is part of a 'big dream' and not just your lovely 'here and now' ? Have you ever considered that, Tim ? > > Consciousness is all there is. > > Werner Werner - You can only say that if you have a standpoint beyond consciousness. Otherwise, you'd have no way to know what consciousness is or isn't. You have no way to know all there is, unless you have seen it all, known it all, and there is nothing beyond you. Therefore, Werner is beyond consciousness, and Werner is the ultimate reality. Hail Werner! -- D -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > Re: More 'here and now' > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > that contains: > > > > " me " . > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > Marc > > There is a dynamism that invov]lves the centered ME and also the periphery > as " society " . If you look impersonaly to our world/society you will notice > that 99,99% of its values, guidelines, moralities, religions, pubs....are > all based in " personality " values. So it is the ME and the society I live > in. > -geo- Quite so. It is all about the me. The politics of me rules the world and has for millenia. Me motivates science and industry. Me is the basis for religion and spiritual practices. Getting rid of the me is one of the projects of me (pun intended). It has to be about the me. Because the me is the reference point for everything encountered and known. Me is the adventure, the basis for ongoing experience. With the me truly dissolved, there is no reference point for perceptions. What is perception when there is no organization of it, no center for it, no time to know it? ? ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a > > > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > > > that contains: > > > > > > > > " me " . > > > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > The self will assume any identity.....even that of being nothing. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > being nothing?..... > > sounds funny... > > > Marc He talks about being nothing, but has no clue what he is talking about. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:50 AM > Re: More 'here and now' > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of > > > a > > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > > that contains: > > > > > > " me " . > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > Marc > > > > The self will assume any identity.....even that of being nothing. > > toombaru > > What is your selfs identity now? > -geo- There is none. And it is not doing anything. It can't assume anything, because it is not the basis for any initiative. -- D -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:56 PM Re: More 'here and now' Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > Re: More 'here and now' > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of > > a > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > that contains: > > > > " me " . > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > Marc > > There is a dynamism that invov]lves the centered ME and also the periphery > as " society " . If you look impersonaly to our world/society you will notice > that 99,99% of its values, guidelines, moralities, religions, pubs....are > all based in " personality " values. So it is the ME and the society I live > in. > -geo- Quite so. It is all about the me. The politics of me rules the world and has for millenia. Me motivates science and industry. Me is the basis for religion and spiritual practices. Getting rid of the me is one of the projects of me (pun intended). It has to be about the me. Because the me is the reference point for everything encountered and known. Me is the adventure, the basis for ongoing experience. With the me truly dissolved, there is no reference point for perceptions. What is perception when there is no organization of it, no center for it, no time to know it? ? ??? I am tempted to use someones words: order - real non-pre-meditated order. -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:50 AM > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of > > > > a > > > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > > > that contains: > > > > > > > > " me " . > > > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > The self will assume any identity.....even that of being nothing. > > > > toombaru > > > > What is your selfs identity now? > > -geo- > > > > > > A moving photo album. > > > toombaru So the self assumes the identity of a moving photo album? Okay, sure. And who is observing this self assuming the identity of a moving photo album? Another self? And what identity does that observer have? Another moving photo album somewhere else? And, you are having fun with this, one presumes ... -- D -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > > > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a > > > > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > > > > that contains: > > > > > > > > > > " me " . > > > > > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self will assume any identity.....even that of being nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > being nothing?..... > > > > sounds funny... > > > > > > Marc > > > He talks about being nothing, but has no clue what he is talking about. > > - D - > And you do? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:50 AM > > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > > > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of > > > > > a > > > > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > > > > that contains: > > > > > > > > > > " me " . > > > > > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > The self will assume any identity.....even that of being nothing. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > What is your selfs identity now? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > A moving photo album. > > > > > > toombaru > > > So the self assumes the identity of a moving photo album? > > Okay, sure. > > And who is observing this self assuming the identity of a moving photo album? > > Another self? > > And what identity does that observer have? > > Another moving photo album somewhere else? > > And, you are having fun with this, one presumes ... > > > -- D -- > Movin & groovin. :-) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:56 PM > Re: More 'here and now' > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dennis_travis33 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of > > > a > > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > > that contains: > > > > > > " me " . > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > Marc > > > > There is a dynamism that invov]lves the centered ME and also the periphery > > as " society " . If you look impersonaly to our world/society you will notice > > that 99,99% of its values, guidelines, moralities, religions, pubs....are > > all based in " personality " values. So it is the ME and the society I live > > in. > > -geo- > > Quite so. > > It is all about the me. > > The politics of me rules the world and has for millenia. > > Me motivates science and industry. > > Me is the basis for religion and spiritual practices. > > Getting rid of the me is one of the projects of me (pun intended). > > It has to be about the me. > > Because the me is the reference point for everything encountered and known. > > Me is the adventure, the basis for ongoing experience. > > With the me truly dissolved, there is no reference point for perceptions. > > What is perception when there is no organization of it, no center for it, no > time to know it? > > ? > > ??? > > I am tempted to use someones words: order - real non-pre-meditated order. > -geo- True, as far as it goes. You could even say " the order of chaos, chaotic ordering. " The question is not looking for a verbal answer, though. The question cuts to the quick, to the bone. The question is answered in immediacy, or not, and it is not answered by words. But, as far as provision of words for an answer, you did okay. ;-) Yours in chaotic ordering, - Dan - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > > > > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a > > > > > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > > > > > that contains: > > > > > > > > > > > > " me " . > > > > > > > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self will assume any identity.....even that of being nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > being nothing?..... > > > > > > sounds funny... > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > He talks about being nothing, but has no clue what he is talking about. > > > > - D - > > > > > > And you do? > > > > toombaru He asks questions, but there is no one in there to get the answers. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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