Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:51 PM > Re: More 'here and now' > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:56 PM > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is > > > > of > > > > a > > > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > > > that contains: > > > > > > > > " me " . > > > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > There is a dynamism that invov]lves the centered ME and also the > > > periphery > > > as " society " . If you look impersonaly to our world/society you will > > > notice > > > that 99,99% of its values, guidelines, moralities, religions, > > > pubs....are > > > all based in " personality " values. So it is the ME and the society I > > > live > > > in. > > > -geo- > > > > Quite so. > > > > It is all about the me. > > > > The politics of me rules the world and has for millenia. > > > > Me motivates science and industry. > > > > Me is the basis for religion and spiritual practices. > > > > Getting rid of the me is one of the projects of me (pun intended). > > > > It has to be about the me. > > > > Because the me is the reference point for everything encountered and > > known. > > > > Me is the adventure, the basis for ongoing experience. > > > > With the me truly dissolved, there is no reference point for perceptions. > > > > What is perception when there is no organization of it, no center for it, > > no > > time to know it? > > > > ? > > > > ??? > > > > I am tempted to use someones words: order - real non-pre-meditated order. > > -geo- > > True, as far as it goes. > > You could even say " the order of chaos, chaotic ordering. " > > The question is not looking for a verbal answer, though. > > The question cuts to the quick, to the bone. > > The question is answered in immediacy, or not, and it is not answered by > words. > > But, as far as provision of words for an answer, you did okay. > > ;-) > > Yours in chaotic ordering, > > - Dan - > > Thank you. Can I sit? > -geo- No. But you may ascend into chaos, and be ordered. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > > > > > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a > > > > > > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > > > > > > that contains: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " me " . > > > > > > > > > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self will assume any identity.....even that of being nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > being nothing?..... > > > > > > > > sounds funny... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > He talks about being nothing, but has no clue what he is talking about. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > And you do? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > He asks questions, but there is no one in there to get the answers. > > - D - > I see pixels.......... ....but I'm not sure how real they are. :-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > > > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a > > > > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > > > > that contains: > > > > > > > > > > " me " . > > > > > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self will assume any identity.....even that of being nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > being nothing?..... > > > > sounds funny... > > > > > > Marc > > > He talks about being nothing, but has no clue what he is talking about. > > - D - > the one who talks about " being nothing " must be nothing.... if not....we have a problem....again.... the world is about problems....of all kind.... that's fine.... as long one don't expect a world without problems .... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:18 AM > > > > > Re: More 'here and now' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If we can agree that wherever we go, one is always 'here' > > > > > > > > > > > > and whatever time it is, it's always 'now', > > > > > > > > > > > > then... anything that isn't 'here and now' must be imagination, > > > > > > > > > > > > thought, also happening 'here and now'. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, this imagination doesn't drop away easily, because this dream is of a > > > > > > big, wide world extending way back into the past, and into the future, > > > > > > that contains: > > > > > > > > > > > > " me " . > > > > > > > > > > -it doesn't contains " you " ....but it Is " you " > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The self will assume any identity.....even that of being nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > being nothing?..... > > > > > > sounds funny... > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > He talks about being nothing, but has no clue what he is talking about. > > > > - D - > > > > the one who talks about " being nothing " must be nothing.... > > if not....we have a problem....again.... > > the world is about problems....of all kind.... > > that's fine.... > > as long one don't expect a world without problems > > ... > > Marc Yes, well-said. I don't expect a world with no problems. I don't need to be different than the world that arises as it is. I am not living somewhere else, in some unreal mystical place. I am the presentness, the is of it. No expectations. I am the appearing of what appears. So, I never appear. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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