Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:57 AM > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and I " involved in > > > > > > > > > all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, happiness and love > > > > > > > > > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no common sense with happiness, peace and love?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > No, because common sense is the sense society has accepted as good..and > > > > > > society is insane, mad. > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Madness cannot be the norm. > > > > > > > > > > Society is just society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you no shame? > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wash my car with mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > You are mad, and shameless. > > > > I will stay off the road when you are driving your car. > > > > - D - > > > > > My wife would agree with you. > > :-) > > > > toombaru Listen to her. She's the reason you're still alive. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and I " involved in all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, happiness and love > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. " peace, happiness and love " are not descriptive of this at all, nor is " spirituality " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Words/concepts are like child's trinkets, 'pulling' the formless into transitory form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reality is absolutely unlike anything it's imagined to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No word, sentence or mental picture comes anywhere near to capturing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest we all wake up from our mutual wet dream, before > > > > > > > the bombs of indifference fall, right there, where you lie sleeping. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no plan in place but natural selection. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tribes of men are programmed to wipe each other out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " They are programmed. " > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. Poppycock. Tommyrot. > > > > > > > > > > And who are you, as you observe these programmed machines - the programmer? > > > > > > > > > > Where do you think you are observing these programmed selves from? > > > > > > > > > > Mount Olympus? > > > > > > > > > > You can't comment about what you are. > > > > > > > > > > Nice try, though. > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Survival and reproduction is the program......is the self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > So, being able to observe this and state this, you are somewhere where survival, reproduction, and programming are not an issue, correct? > > > > > > Thus, you can look down and see all the creatures being programmed, reproducing, and surviving. > > > > > > Or are you saying that you are a programmed creature who has learned how to step out of itself, observe its programmed responses, without that observation itself being programmed? > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is within the program a small program that allows it a glimpse of the overall program. > > > > But.....it's all program. > > > > > > toombaru > > > Therefore, you can't observe your programming. > > And everything you say about it has no validity. > > -- Dan - > Yeah............that about sums it up. What can really be said about something that never existed........especially by itself? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:57 AM > > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and I " involved in > > > > > > > > > > all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, happiness and love > > > > > > > > > > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no common sense with happiness, peace and love?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, because common sense is the sense society has accepted as good..and > > > > > > > society is insane, mad. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Madness cannot be the norm. > > > > > > > > > > > > Society is just society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you no shame? > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wash my car with mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > You are mad, and shameless. > > > > > > I will stay off the road when you are driving your car. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > My wife would agree with you. > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Listen to her. > > She's the reason you're still alive. > > - D - > I'm alive? :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Feelings pass. > > And they are experienced, as all experience, according to their opposite states. > > If you can experience joy, you can experience sorrow. > > And why single out joy as a feeling you like? What about love? What about wonder, awe? > > I find awe to be deeper than joy. > > But that's just me, and what I like. > > And awe passes as well. > > > Awareness is not thinking, not feeling, not coming or going. > > Not a state, nor an experience. > > Not the word or concept. > > > > Awe shucks, > > - Dan - It seems here that 'what I am' is something too simple to " have feelings " , in the commonly understood sense. Not that it is unfeeling. It can't be put into words, because the common understanding is based on separation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > Feelings pass. > > > > And they are experienced, as all experience, according to their opposite states. > > > > If you can experience joy, you can experience sorrow. > > > > And why single out joy as a feeling you like? What about love? What about wonder, awe? > > > > I find awe to be deeper than joy. > > > > But that's just me, and what I like. > > > > And awe passes as well. > > > > > > Awareness is not thinking, not feeling, not coming or going. > > > > Not a state, nor an experience. > > > > Not the word or concept. > > > > > > > > Awe shucks, > > > > - Dan - > Your new name shall be " Awefull Dan " . > > > > toombaru I like it. I've been looking for a nickname. But it's not my new name. It's already ten seconds old. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and I " involved in all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, happiness and love > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. " peace, happiness and love " are not descriptive of this at all, nor is " spirituality " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Words/concepts are like child's trinkets, 'pulling' the formless into transitory form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reality is absolutely unlike anything it's imagined to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No word, sentence or mental picture comes anywhere near to capturing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest we all wake up from our mutual wet dream, before > > > > > > > > the bombs of indifference fall, right there, where you lie sleeping. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no plan in place but natural selection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tribes of men are programmed to wipe each other out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " They are programmed. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. Poppycock. Tommyrot. > > > > > > > > > > > > And who are you, as you observe these programmed machines - the programmer? > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do you think you are observing these programmed selves from? > > > > > > > > > > > > Mount Olympus? > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't comment about what you are. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice try, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Survival and reproduction is the program......is the self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > So, being able to observe this and state this, you are somewhere where survival, reproduction, and programming are not an issue, correct? > > > > > > > > Thus, you can look down and see all the creatures being programmed, reproducing, and surviving. > > > > > > > > Or are you saying that you are a programmed creature who has learned how to step out of itself, observe its programmed responses, without that observation itself being programmed? > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is within the program a small program that allows it a glimpse of the overall program. > > > > > > But.....it's all program. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Therefore, you can't observe your programming. > > > > And everything you say about it has no validity. > > > > -- Dan - > > > > > > Yeah............that about sums it up. > > What can really be said about something that never existed........especially by itself? > > > > toombaru It can't say that it never existed, either. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:57 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and I " involved in > > > > > > > > > > > all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, happiness and love > > > > > > > > > > > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no common sense with happiness, peace and love?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, because common sense is the sense society has accepted as good..and > > > > > > > > society is insane, mad. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Madness cannot be the norm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Society is just society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you no shame? > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wash my car with mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are mad, and shameless. > > > > > > > > I will stay off the road when you are driving your car. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > My wife would agree with you. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Listen to her. > > > > She's the reason you're still alive. > > > > - D - > > > > > > I'm alive? > > :-0 > > > > > > toombaru Ask her to pinch you, and then she'll let you know. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Feelings pass. > > > > And they are experienced, as all experience, according to their opposite states. > > > > If you can experience joy, you can experience sorrow. > > > > And why single out joy as a feeling you like? What about love? What about wonder, awe? > > > > I find awe to be deeper than joy. > > > > But that's just me, and what I like. > > > > And awe passes as well. > > > > > > Awareness is not thinking, not feeling, not coming or going. > > > > Not a state, nor an experience. > > > > Not the word or concept. > > > > > > > > Awe shucks, > > > > - Dan - > > It seems here that 'what I am' is something too simple to " have feelings " , in the commonly understood sense. > > Not that it is unfeeling. > > It can't be put into words, because the common understanding is based on separation. > One day I took the tar babies out and sat them in the sun until they started to melt. I emptied some pillows on them and watched as they tried to pick the feathers off each other. It's like that. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Feelings pass. > > > > > > And they are experienced, as all experience, according to their opposite states. > > > > > > If you can experience joy, you can experience sorrow. > > > > > > And why single out joy as a feeling you like? What about love? What about wonder, awe? > > > > > > I find awe to be deeper than joy. > > > > > > But that's just me, and what I like. > > > > > > And awe passes as well. > > > > > > > > > Awareness is not thinking, not feeling, not coming or going. > > > > > > Not a state, nor an experience. > > > > > > Not the word or concept. > > > > > > > > > > > > Awe shucks, > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your new name shall be " Awefull Dan " . > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > I like it. > > I've been looking for a nickname. > > But it's not my new name. > > It's already ten seconds old. > > - D - > .......I'll invent........a revolving stamp..........thingy....that you can push in front of you....... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > Your new name shall be " Awefull Dan " . > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > I like it. > > I've been looking for a nickname. > > But it's not my new name. > > It's already ten seconds old. > > - D - Is there something about " Thursday, August 13ths " ? ;-) Can't remember seeing this much morning activity on the list before. But then, I can't remember remembering before, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:21 PM Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:21 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:13 PM > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dennis_travis33 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:32 AM > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:11 AM > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:57 AM > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:19 AM > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:18 AM > > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:57 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and > > > > > > > > > > > I " > > > > > > > > > > > involved > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as > > > > > > > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, > > > > > > > > > > happiness > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no common sense with happiness, peace and love?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, because common sense is the sense society has accepted > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > good..and > > > > > > > > society is insane, mad. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the only madness existing....can only be yours.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything is IT. Humans eat fruits and meat but not wood. > > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > humans > > > > > > > eat > > > > > > > excrements. I feel sick with that. I feel " somehting " whem > > > > > > > children > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > miss-treated. I feel " something " with atom bombs. Some love > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you realy expect " something " different when the eyes of the > > > > > > identity > > > > > > called " geo " look at the world....?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > wake up > > > > > > > > > > > > the world is only about worldly things > > > > > > > > > > > > and ever will be... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not geo as some identity looking at the world - wake up! > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > si si geo.... > > > > > > > > > > the eyes of geo are seeing this your mentionned " bombs " .... > > > > > some other eyes are seeing something else... > > > > > > > > > > geo> Geo or marc can not look or see. Even consciousness can not > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > geo can only see what he Is... > > > > > marc can only see what he Is... > > > > > > > > > > geo> Look carefully. Not geo and marc seeing. When there is seing > > > > > what > > > > > one > > > > > is - if that is really the case - then one is consciousness, one > > > > > is > > > > > everything that falls upon the senses...whic is indeed the world. > > > > > So > > > > > now > > > > > we > > > > > are ble to say " I am the world " - but not geo or marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wake up... > > > > > want to fight the bombs with some appearent others?.... > > > > > ...if so....you are already dead.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Did I say I want to fight bombs? Where? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > good... > > > > > > > > then everything is fine... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > It there is interest lets dig a bit more. > > > > Are you able to say " I am the world " ? What is marc then? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > i have no problems with what i see....it's just fine... > > > > > > how about you?....having problems?.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > I like to look into this stuff - thats all. No need for problems to do > > > it - > > > just joy. > > > -geo- > > > > That's all we need, a bunch of joyful advaita idiots pretending to be > > blissed out while the world is on fire. > > > > Look up the meaning of the word " delusion. " > > > > It may be of some value at this point. > > > > - D - > > > > errr..er...eheehem...did I say something so revolting? > > -geo- > > Not really. > > But let's be honest, neither you nor I, nor any of the other humans > posting > here, are always experiencing joy, always motivated by joy alone. > > Indeed, the leap to awareness is motivated by inability to answer the > deepest anxiety of being human - and therefore having no other option than > to choicelessly be that fear. > > Helplessness and choicelessness open as awareness. > > Not that there isn't joy as well. > > Certainly, there is joy and happiness. > > Yet inquiry is not about being joyful and happy. > > It is intense need to be aware, fully aware. > > It is beyond any need, in fact. > > More than a need. > > A requirement. > > - D - > > ...and the most genuine..... the deepest sense.... of joy. > -geo- Feelings pass. And they are experienced, as all experience, according to their opposite states. If you can experience joy, you can experience sorrow. And why single out joy as a feeling you like? What about love? What about wonder, awe? I find awe to be deeper than joy. But that's just me, and what I like. And awe passes as well. Awareness is not thinking, not feeling, not coming or going. Not a state, nor an experience. Not the word or concept. Awe shucks, - Dan - Ah well..yes. I did not mean by the word joy...like any pleasure..the opposite of sorrow. Could be love, could be compassion, could be....lkjjjjlkjl. It is something related to freedom - total absolute freedom...not from something or other. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 13/8/2009 16:57:25 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:03 PM Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and I " > > > > > > > > > involved in all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, happiness > > > > > > > > and love > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic > > > > > > > > bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. " peace, happiness and love " are not descriptive of this at > > > > > > all, nor is " spirituality " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Words/concepts are like child's trinkets, 'pulling' the formless > > > > > > into transitory form. > > > > > > > > > > > > The reality is absolutely unlike anything it's imagined to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > No word, sentence or mental picture comes anywhere near to > > > > > > capturing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest we all wake up from our mutual wet dream, before > > > > > the bombs of indifference fall, right there, where you lie > > > > > sleeping. > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no plan in place but natural selection. > > > > > > > > Tribes of men are programmed to wipe each other out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > " They are programmed. " > > > > > > Nonsense. Poppycock. Tommyrot. > > > > > > And who are you, as you observe these programmed machines - the > > > programmer? > > > > > > Where do you think you are observing these programmed selves from? > > > > > > Mount Olympus? > > > > > > You can't comment about what you are. > > > > > > Nice try, though. > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Survival and reproduction is the program......is the self. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > So, being able to observe this and state this, you are somewhere where > survival, reproduction, and programming are not an issue, correct? > > Thus, you can look down and see all the creatures being programmed, > reproducing, and surviving. > > Or are you saying that you are a programmed creature who has learned how > to step out of itself, observe its programmed responses, without that > observation itself being programmed? > > - D - > There is within the program a small program that allows it a glimpse of the overall program. But.....it's all program. toombaru Sometimes you make sense...then suddenly you come up with this total nonesense. Is it the brand of the stuff you smoke? Dont you see that obviously there is something called çlkasdfçlkaçldkç beyond the program? The program itself is dead, it can not see...feel....BE. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 13/8/2009 16:57:27 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:37 PM Re: Common Sense (Toomie) Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and > > > > > > > > > > > I " involved in all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as > > > > > > > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, > > > > > > > > > > happiness and love > couldn't be destroyed....even not > > > > > > > > > > by atomic bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. " peace, happiness and love " are not descriptive of this > > > > > > > > at all, nor is " spirituality " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Words/concepts are like child's trinkets, 'pulling' the > > > > > > > > formless into transitory form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reality is absolutely unlike anything it's imagined to > > > > > > > > be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No word, sentence or mental picture comes anywhere near to > > > > > > > > capturing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest we all wake up from our mutual wet dream, > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > the bombs of indifference fall, right there, where you lie > > > > > > > sleeping. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no plan in place but natural selection. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tribes of men are programmed to wipe each other out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " They are programmed. " > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. Poppycock. Tommyrot. > > > > > > > > > > And who are you, as you observe these programmed machines - the > > > > > programmer? > > > > > > > > > > Where do you think you are observing these programmed selves from? > > > > > > > > > > Mount Olympus? > > > > > > > > > > You can't comment about what you are. > > > > > > > > > > Nice try, though. > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Survival and reproduction is the program......is the self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > So, being able to observe this and state this, you are somewhere where > > > survival, reproduction, and programming are not an issue, correct? > > > > > > Thus, you can look down and see all the creatures being programmed, > > > reproducing, and surviving. > > > > > > Or are you saying that you are a programmed creature who has learned > > > how to step out of itself, observe its programmed responses, without > > > that observation itself being programmed? > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is within the program a small program that allows it a glimpse of > > the overall program. > > > > But.....it's all program. > > > > > > toombaru > > > Therefore, you can't observe your programming. > > And everything you say about it has no validity. > > -- Dan - > Yeah............that about sums it up. What can really be said about something that never existed........especially by itself? toombaru What is that? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 13/8/2009 16:57:30 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:03 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and I " > > > > > > > > > > involved in all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, happiness > > > > > > > > > and love > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic > > > > > > > > > bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. " peace, happiness and love " are not descriptive of this at > > > > > > > all, nor is " spirituality " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Words/concepts are like child's trinkets, 'pulling' the formless > > > > > > > into transitory form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reality is absolutely unlike anything it's imagined to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No word, sentence or mental picture comes anywhere near to > > > > > > > capturing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest we all wake up from our mutual wet dream, before > > > > > > the bombs of indifference fall, right there, where you lie > > > > > > sleeping. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no plan in place but natural selection. > > > > > > > > > > Tribes of men are programmed to wipe each other out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > " They are programmed. " > > > > > > > > Nonsense. Poppycock. Tommyrot. > > > > > > > > And who are you, as you observe these programmed machines - the > > > > programmer? > > > > > > > > Where do you think you are observing these programmed selves from? > > > > > > > > Mount Olympus? > > > > > > > > You can't comment about what you are. > > > > > > > > Nice try, though. > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Survival and reproduction is the program......is the self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > So, being able to observe this and state this, you are somewhere where > > survival, reproduction, and programming are not an issue, correct? > > > > Thus, you can look down and see all the creatures being programmed, > > reproducing, and surviving. > > > > Or are you saying that you are a programmed creature who has learned how > > to step out of itself, observe its programmed responses, without that > > observation itself being programmed? > > > > - D - > > > > There is within the program a small program that allows it a glimpse of the > overall program. > > But.....it's all program. > > toombaru > > Sometimes you make sense...then suddenly you come up with this total > nonesense. Is it the brand of the stuff you smoke? > Dont you see that obviously there is something called çlkasdfçlkaçldkç > beyond the program? The program itself is dead, it can not see...feel....BE. > -geo- > > > > Ever come across Wei Wu Wei? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Ever come across Wei Wu Wei? > > > > toombaru Wei wooed me to his way. But I went my own wei, eventually :-p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 > There is within the program a small program that allows it a glimpse of the overall program.> > But.....it's all program.> > > toombaruDan said, < Therefore, you can't observe your programming.< And everything you say about it has no validity.< -- Dan - Question: If one's programming cannot be observed, how does one know that one is programmed, or that one *is* the programming itself? Michael A Adamson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > > There is within the program a small program that allows it a glimpse of the overall program. > > > > But.....it's all program. > > > > > > toombaru > > Dan said, > > < Therefore, you can't observe your programming. > > < And everything you say about it has no validity. > > < -- Dan - > > Question: If one's programming cannot be observed, how does one know that one is programmed, or that one *is* the programming itself? > > Michael A > Adamson > It is all seen as a program. And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. toombaru toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > It is all seen as a program. > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. Well, all that is the program. There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one is one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > Well, all that is the program. > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one is one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > The mind turns nothing into something. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > > > Well, all that is the program. > > > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one is one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). > The mind turns nothing into something. > > > > > toombaru > Thank God. I'd hate not to be something ie. someone who can think, write on a keyboard and press *send*.. After all, I've been nothing for millions of years... thinking about eventually becoming me. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > Your new name shall be " Awefull Dan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I like it. > > > > I've been looking for a nickname. > > > > But it's not my new name. > > > > It's already ten seconds old. > > > > - D - > > Is there something about " Thursday, August 13ths " ? ;-) > > Can't remember seeing this much morning activity on the list before. > > But then, I can't remember remembering before, either. I remember confabulating that I remembered after, before. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and I " involved in all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, happiness and love > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. " peace, happiness and love " are not descriptive of this at all, nor is " spirituality " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Words/concepts are like child's trinkets, 'pulling' the formless into transitory form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reality is absolutely unlike anything it's imagined to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No word, sentence or mental picture comes anywhere near to capturing this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's all dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would suggest we all wake up from our mutual wet dream, before > > > > > > > > > > the bombs of indifference fall, right there, where you lie sleeping. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no plan in place but natural selection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tribes of men are programmed to wipe each other out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " They are programmed. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nonsense. Poppycock. Tommyrot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who are you, as you observe these programmed machines - the programmer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where do you think you are observing these programmed selves from? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mount Olympus? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't comment about what you are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice try, though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Survival and reproduction is the program......is the self. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, being able to observe this and state this, you are somewhere where survival, reproduction, and programming are not an issue, correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus, you can look down and see all the creatures being programmed, reproducing, and surviving. > > > > > > > > > > > > Or are you saying that you are a programmed creature who has learned how to step out of itself, observe its programmed responses, without that observation itself being programmed? > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is within the program a small program that allows it a glimpse of the overall program. > > > > > > > > > > But.....it's all program. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, you can't observe your programming. > > > > > > > > And everything you say about it has no validity. > > > > > > > > -- Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah............that about sums it up. > > > > > > What can really be said about something that never existed........especially by itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > It can't say that it never existed, either. > > > > - D - > > > > > > It can say anything.......well if it's about things. > > > > > > toombaru Thing-ing in the rain, I'm thing-ing in the rain. That wonderful feeling, I'm thing-ing again. .... and the beauty of time is that it's snowing ... (Steve Miller Band) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:21 PM > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:21 PM > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:13 PM > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:32 AM > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:11 AM > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:57 AM > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:19 AM > > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:18 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > dennis_travis33 > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:57 AM > > > > > > > > > Re: Common Sense (Toomie) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Common sense......is common sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " is overrunning the planet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > committing genocides, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constant warfare, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > economic breakdown, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > atomic bombs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > global warming, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do ya think maybe these are " people just like you and > > > > > > > > > > > > I " > > > > > > > > > > > > involved > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > all this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Common sense " at work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest to abandon 'common sense' as soon as > > > > > > > > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > running away from bombs?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought that this your common spiritual peace, > > > > > > > > > > > happiness > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couldn't be destroyed....even not by atomic bombs.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What 'peace, happiness and love' is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And who ever suggested running away from bombs? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no common sense with happiness, peace and love?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, because common sense is the sense society has accepted > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > good..and > > > > > > > > > society is insane, mad. > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the only madness existing....can only be yours.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything is IT. Humans eat fruits and meat but not wood. > > > > > > > > Some > > > > > > > > humans > > > > > > > > eat > > > > > > > > excrements. I feel sick with that. I feel " somehting " whem > > > > > > > > children > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > miss-treated. I feel " something " with atom bombs. Some love > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you realy expect " something " different when the eyes of the > > > > > > > identity > > > > > > > called " geo " look at the world....?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wake up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the world is only about worldly things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and ever will be... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not geo as some identity looking at the world - wake up! > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > si si geo.... > > > > > > > > > > > > the eyes of geo are seeing this your mentionned " bombs " .... > > > > > > some other eyes are seeing something else... > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Geo or marc can not look or see. Even consciousness can not > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo can only see what he Is... > > > > > > marc can only see what he Is... > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Look carefully. Not geo and marc seeing. When there is seing > > > > > > what > > > > > > one > > > > > > is - if that is really the case - then one is consciousness, one > > > > > > is > > > > > > everything that falls upon the senses...whic is indeed the world. > > > > > > So > > > > > > now > > > > > > we > > > > > > are ble to say " I am the world " - but not geo or marc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wake up... > > > > > > want to fight the bombs with some appearent others?.... > > > > > > ...if so....you are already dead.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say I want to fight bombs? Where? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good... > > > > > > > > > > then everything is fine... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > It there is interest lets dig a bit more. > > > > > Are you able to say " I am the world " ? What is marc then? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have no problems with what i see....it's just fine... > > > > > > > > how about you?....having problems?.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > I like to look into this stuff - thats all. No need for problems to do > > > > it - > > > > just joy. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > That's all we need, a bunch of joyful advaita idiots pretending to be > > > blissed out while the world is on fire. > > > > > > Look up the meaning of the word " delusion. " > > > > > > It may be of some value at this point. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > errr..er...eheehem...did I say something so revolting? > > > -geo- > > > > Not really. > > > > But let's be honest, neither you nor I, nor any of the other humans > > posting > > here, are always experiencing joy, always motivated by joy alone. > > > > Indeed, the leap to awareness is motivated by inability to answer the > > deepest anxiety of being human - and therefore having no other option than > > to choicelessly be that fear. > > > > Helplessness and choicelessness open as awareness. > > > > Not that there isn't joy as well. > > > > Certainly, there is joy and happiness. > > > > Yet inquiry is not about being joyful and happy. > > > > It is intense need to be aware, fully aware. > > > > It is beyond any need, in fact. > > > > More than a need. > > > > A requirement. > > > > - D - > > > > ...and the most genuine..... the deepest sense.... of joy. > > -geo- > > Feelings pass. > > And they are experienced, as all experience, according to their opposite > states. > > If you can experience joy, you can experience sorrow. > > And why single out joy as a feeling you like? What about love? What about > wonder, awe? > > I find awe to be deeper than joy. > > But that's just me, and what I like. > > And awe passes as well. > > Awareness is not thinking, not feeling, not coming or going. > > Not a state, nor an experience. > > Not the word or concept. > > Awe shucks, > > - Dan - > > Ah well..yes. I did not mean by the word joy...like any pleasure..the > opposite of sorrow. Could be love, could be compassion, could > be....lkjjjjlkjl. > It is something related to freedom - total absolute freedom...not from > something or other. > -geo- Oh, I see. You mean that thing that you can't ever see or say, but you can only just be ... Well, hell's bells, geo - why dincha just say so in the first place? - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > > There is within the program a small program that allows it a glimpse of the overall program. > > > > But.....it's all program. > > > > > > toombaru > > Dan said, > > < Therefore, you can't observe your programming. > > < And everything you say about it has no validity. > > < -- Dan - > > Question: If one's programming cannot be observed, how does one know that one is programmed, or that one *is* the programming itself? > > Michael A > Adamson How can one ask a question that isn't? - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > It is all seen as a program. > > And it is known that that seeing is also part of the program. > > And it is known that there is nothing beyond the program. > > Well, all that is the program. > > There is definitely Nothing, beyond the program. > > silent Nothing, which is also being inclusive of everything (i.e. one is one's perceptions, not a separate watcher apart from them). There isn't any program to be beyond. Sheesh. You think you're beyond a program? And you think if you see a program, you're beyond the program? Double sheesh. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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