Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > yes, find out who you are..... > > > > > > > > > > maybe then you will get some occupation which let you (choicelessly) bubble some more serious words in here....and which don't let you wast all this " your " time on internet....bubbling with other appearent pseudo non-dualists......in endless number of posts....etc... > > > > > > > > > > get real ...... > > > > > > > > > > Who you are?... > > > > > > > > > > a bubbling bubble... > > > > > > > > > > what else... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a bad joke, with a smile at the end. > > > > > > > > It never cheered anyone up :-p. > > > > > > > > > > good....i knew it!....lol > > > > > > > > > but then....have some serious occupation.... > > > > > > there is absolutly nothing in here! > > > > > > except some jokes hanging around like fools....you know...this kind of fools.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > No fools, no wise ones either. > > > > Just perfect peace. > > > > But the attempt to live within a bubble distorts the perfect peace that is. > > > > With no attempt, just " is. " > > > > - D - > > > > > now we are the point!! > > some people only dream about this your " no attempt, just is " .... > > for the simple reason....that they get no choice for this " no attempt " .....for some reason....means, because of ignorance > > lol > > > Marc Hi Marc - " Some people " is a construction. All constructions co-arise and are inter-dependently defined. Choicelessly, of course - because " choice " and " no choice " are also constructions, and also co-arise. It is as if everything that happens, happens " of itself, " spontaneously ordering all experiences and phenomena. Ignorance is " ignore-ance. " It is a convolution of awareness, whereby it attempt to deny itself by forming an existence outside itself to observe itself as an object. It can't be done, and never happened. So, everything experienced as a result of ignore-ance, never happened. One instant of clear seeing, and ignore-ance is transformed (without anything actually changing). Ignore-ance never happened. There is only awareness, only " suchness " or " thusness. " This, as is. There are no actual self-bubbles ever, anywhere. This is true freedom. One being this freedom has freed the entire perceptual reality, and all projected " others " - which are aspects of the perceived reality. There is only one freedom. It has no name. It is one's being right now - unrecognized because memory has no way to integrate it. The attempt of memory to integrate experience is ignore-ance, is time. That attempt never actually occurred, was always " as if " ... could only ever be " as if. " As you are now, you are this freedom. There is nothing other than freedom. Freedom to be, freedom from being ... it is the same. To be or not to be, is not the question. To be *is* not to be. Being and nonbeing don't apply. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One need the energy of God to enter a world... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One enter the world with the energy of God... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no choice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God is the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are the imaginary included ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until we know the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and God > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and with little chance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: off > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In answering the unknown using the God card........answers nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's the lazy way out.....that doesn't get you out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think it's very lazy to ignore some facts about " God " ....about some " energy of God " ......people are talking about since thousands of years.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either God can do something about the suffering.....or he won't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which do you think it is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why coming from " God " ...to " suffering " ....?....means, why the relation of/to both?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the energy of God is always present..... > > > > > > > > like the apple on the tree.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's about to use It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The energy of God " is an idea in your head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see some of that stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's take a look at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you only need to take a look at yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............if I could only find it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark........there is no self......and that makes all of its gods obsolete. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds ok this your conclusion.... > > > > > > > > but maybe this doesn't mean, that for some duration of time....it has been necessary to know the nature of such imaginary self....and also the nature of God...etc > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > to know that there is no self....come out from a whole process of seeking/searching/contacts/experiences/understandings etc... > > > > > > > > there is no " shortcut " to the result of such process > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > means, you can't help out anybody on such process > > > > > > > > and also...you don't need to help anybody on such process....means, there is no obligation or natural law or mission or mysterious power or consciousness or awareness which give imaginary " you " the right/mission to help out anybody on such process > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you suppose that Ramana and Nisargadatta spoke of this until they died? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > because they weren't forced to do anything special anymore....they were free from any worldly tasks......means, they got liberation from choicelessness.... > > > > they weren't anymore from/about/of this your appearent world..... > > > > they weren't anymore this their appearent bodies.... > > > > they felt great peace, happiness and joy.....and they knew exactly the reason why.... > > > > etc... > > etc... > > > > Means, they just had some occupation which allowed them to keep on being what they ARE....and ever have been for real. > > > > ... > > > > This isn't the case for many many pseudo enlightened and spiritual teachers, Gurus etc.....who are still running after this their final liberation....means to fullfill this their ONLY real lifetask they ever got......like everybody else. > > > > The only lifetask of life is liberation. > > > > This concern the imaginary self. > > > > Nobody else. > > > > After liberation....there is nobody anymore who need any liberation. > > > > .... > > > > Wish a successful day to all this little spiritual egos in here.....who are just running after this their liberation.....with, or without being aware of it. > > > > > > Marc > > > Says Marc to himself, by addressing the " others " he projects. > > > - D - > Whenever projectors meet....they fight. :-) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One need the energy of God to enter a world... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One enter the world with the energy of God... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no choice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God is the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are the imaginary included ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until we know the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and God > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and with little chance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: off > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In answering the unknown using the God > > > > > > > > > > > card........answers nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's the lazy way out.....that doesn't get you out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think it's very lazy to ignore some facts about > > > > > > > > > > " God " ....about some " energy of God " ......people are > > > > > > > > > > talking about since thousands of years.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either God can do something about the suffering.....or he > > > > > > > > > won't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which do you think it is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why coming from " God " ...to " suffering " ....?....means, why > > > > > > > > the relation of/to both?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the energy of God is always present..... > > > > > > > > like the apple on the tree.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's about to use It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The energy of God " is an idea in your head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see some of that stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's take a look at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you only need to take a look at yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............if I could only find it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark........there is no self......and that makes all of its gods > > > > > obsolete. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds ok this your conclusion.... > > > > > > > > but maybe this doesn't mean, that for some duration of time....it > > > > has been necessary to know the nature of such imaginary self....and > > > > also the nature of God...etc > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > to know that there is no self....come out from a whole process of > > > > seeking/searching/contacts/experiences/understandings etc... > > > > > > > > there is no " shortcut " to the result of such process > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > means, you can't help out anybody on such process > > > > > > > > and also...you don't need to help anybody on such process....means, > > > > there is no obligation or natural law or mission or mysterious power > > > > or consciousness or awareness which give imaginary " you " the > > > > right/mission to help out anybody on such process > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you suppose that Ramana and Nisargadatta spoke of this until > > > they died? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > because they weren't forced to do anything special anymore....they were > > free from any worldly tasks......means, they got liberation from > > choicelessness.... > > > > they weren't anymore from/about/of this your appearent world..... > > > > they weren't anymore this their appearent bodies.... > > > > they felt great peace, happiness and joy.....and they knew exactly the > > reason why.... > > > > etc... > > etc... > > > > Means, they just had some occupation which allowed them to keep on being > > what they ARE....and ever have been for real. > > > > ... > > > > This isn't the case for many many pseudo enlightened and spiritual > > teachers, Gurus etc.....who are still running after this their final > > liberation....means to fullfill this their ONLY real lifetask they ever > > got......like everybody else. > > > > The only lifetask of life is liberation. > > > > This concern the imaginary self. > > > > Nobody else. > > > > After liberation....there is nobody anymore who need any liberation. > > > > .... > > > > Wish a successful day to all this little spiritual egos in here.....who > > are just running after this their liberation.....with, or without being > > aware of it. > > > > > > Marc > > > Says Marc to himself, by addressing the " others " he projects. > > > - D - > Whenever projectors meet....they fight. :-) toombaru LOL ...or the ones in charge of them... -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One need the energy of God to enter a world... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One enter the world with the energy of God... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no choice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God is the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are the imaginary included ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until we know the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and God > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and with little chance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: off > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In answering the unknown using the God card........answers nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's the lazy way out.....that doesn't get you out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think it's very lazy to ignore some facts about " God " ....about some " energy of God " ......people are talking about since thousands of years.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either God can do something about the suffering.....or he won't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which do you think it is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why coming from " God " ...to " suffering " ....?....means, why the relation of/to both?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the energy of God is always present..... > > > > > > > > > like the apple on the tree.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's about to use It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The energy of God " is an idea in your head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see some of that stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's take a look at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you only need to take a look at yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............if I could only find it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark........there is no self......and that makes all of its gods obsolete. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds ok this your conclusion.... > > > > > > > > > > but maybe this doesn't mean, that for some duration of time....it has been necessary to know the nature of such imaginary self....and also the nature of God...etc > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > to know that there is no self....come out from a whole process of seeking/searching/contacts/experiences/understandings etc... > > > > > > > > > > there is no " shortcut " to the result of such process > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > means, you can't help out anybody on such process > > > > > > > > > > and also...you don't need to help anybody on such process....means, there is no obligation or natural law or mission or mysterious power or consciousness or awareness which give imaginary " you " the right/mission to help out anybody on such process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you suppose that Ramana and Nisargadatta spoke of this until they died? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > because they weren't forced to do anything special anymore....they were free from any worldly tasks......means, they got liberation from choicelessness.... > > > > > > they weren't anymore from/about/of this your appearent world..... > > > > > > they weren't anymore this their appearent bodies.... > > > > > > they felt great peace, happiness and joy.....and they knew exactly the reason why.... > > > > > > etc... > > > etc... > > > > > > Means, they just had some occupation which allowed them to keep on being what they ARE....and ever have been for real. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > This isn't the case for many many pseudo enlightened and spiritual teachers, Gurus etc.....who are still running after this their final liberation....means to fullfill this their ONLY real lifetask they ever got......like everybody else. > > > > > > The only lifetask of life is liberation. > > > > > > This concern the imaginary self. > > > > > > Nobody else. > > > > > > After liberation....there is nobody anymore who need any liberation. > > > > > > .... > > > > > > Wish a successful day to all this little spiritual egos in here.....who are just running after this their liberation.....with, or without being aware of it. > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Says Marc to himself, by addressing the " others " he projects. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Whenever projectors meet....they fight. > > > :-) > > > > toombaru If you are projecting a fight, that is what you see. 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Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One need the energy of God to enter a world... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One enter the world with the energy of God... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no choice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God is the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are the imaginary included ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until we know the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and God > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and with little chance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: off > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In answering the unknown using the God card........answers nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's the lazy way out.....that doesn't get you out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think it's very lazy to ignore some facts about " God " ....about some " energy of God " ......people are talking about since thousands of years.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either God can do something about the suffering.....or he won't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which do you think it is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why coming from " God " ...to " suffering " ....?....means, why the relation of/to both?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the energy of God is always present..... > > > > > > > > like the apple on the tree.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's about to use It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The energy of God " is an idea in your head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see some of that stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's take a look at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you only need to take a look at yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............if I could only find it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark........there is no self......and that makes all of its gods obsolete. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds ok this your conclusion.... > > > > > > > > but maybe this doesn't mean, that for some duration of time....it has been necessary to know the nature of such imaginary self....and also the nature of God...etc > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > to know that there is no self....come out from a whole process of seeking/searching/contacts/experiences/understandings etc... > > > > > > > > there is no " shortcut " to the result of such process > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > means, you can't help out anybody on such process > > > > > > > > and also...you don't need to help anybody on such process....means, there is no obligation or natural law or mission or mysterious power or consciousness or awareness which give imaginary " you " the right/mission to help out anybody on such process > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you suppose that Ramana and Nisargadatta spoke of this until they died? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > because they weren't forced to do anything special anymore....they were free from any worldly tasks......means, they got liberation from choicelessness.... > > > > they weren't anymore from/about/of this your appearent world..... > > > > they weren't anymore this their appearent bodies.... > > > > they felt great peace, happiness and joy.....and they knew exactly the reason why.... > > > > etc... > > etc... > > > > Means, they just had some occupation which allowed them to keep on being what they ARE....and ever have been for real. > > > > ... > > > > This isn't the case for many many pseudo enlightened and spiritual teachers, Gurus etc.....who are still running after this their final liberation....means to fullfill this their ONLY real lifetask they ever got......like everybody else. > > > > The only lifetask of life is liberation. > > > > This concern the imaginary self. > > > > Nobody else. > > > > After liberation....there is nobody anymore who need any liberation. > > > > .... > > > > Wish a successful day to all this little spiritual egos in here.....who are just running after this their liberation.....with, or without being aware of it. > > > > > > Marc > > > Says Marc to himself, by addressing the " others " he projects. > > > - D - > great concept.... 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Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One need the energy of God to enter a world... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One enter the world with the energy of God... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no choice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God is the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are the imaginary included ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until we know the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and God > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and with little chance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: off > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In answering the unknown using the God card........answers nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's the lazy way out.....that doesn't get you out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think it's very lazy to ignore some facts about " God " ....about some " energy of God " ......people are talking about since thousands of years.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either God can do something about the suffering.....or he won't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which do you think it is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why coming from " God " ...to " suffering " ....?....means, why the relation of/to both?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the energy of God is always present..... > > > > > > > > > like the apple on the tree.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's about to use It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The energy of God " is an idea in your head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see some of that stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's take a look at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you only need to take a look at yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............if I could only find it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark........there is no self......and that makes all of its gods obsolete. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds ok this your conclusion.... > > > > > > > > > > but maybe this doesn't mean, that for some duration of time....it has been necessary to know the nature of such imaginary self....and also the nature of God...etc > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > to know that there is no self....come out from a whole process of seeking/searching/contacts/experiences/understandings etc... > > > > > > > > > > there is no " shortcut " to the result of such process > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > means, you can't help out anybody on such process > > > > > > > > > > and also...you don't need to help anybody on such process....means, there is no obligation or natural law or mission or mysterious power or consciousness or awareness which give imaginary " you " the right/mission to help out anybody on such process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you suppose that Ramana and Nisargadatta spoke of this until they died? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > because they weren't forced to do anything special anymore....they were free from any worldly tasks......means, they got liberation from choicelessness.... > > > > > > they weren't anymore from/about/of this your appearent world..... > > > > > > they weren't anymore this their appearent bodies.... > > > > > > they felt great peace, happiness and joy.....and they knew exactly the reason why.... > > > > > > etc... > > > etc... > > > > > > Means, they just had some occupation which allowed them to keep on being what they ARE....and ever have been for real. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > This isn't the case for many many pseudo enlightened and spiritual teachers, Gurus etc.....who are still running after this their final liberation....means to fullfill this their ONLY real lifetask they ever got......like everybody else. > > > > > > The only lifetask of life is liberation. > > > > > > This concern the imaginary self. > > > > > > Nobody else. > > > > > > After liberation....there is nobody anymore who need any liberation. > > > > > > .... > > > > > > Wish a successful day to all this little spiritual egos in here.....who are just running after this their liberation.....with, or without being aware of it. > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Says Marc to himself, by addressing the " others " he projects. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > great concept.... > > > > Marc Thanks. 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Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, find out who you are..... > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe then you will get some occupation which let you (choicelessly) bubble some more serious words in here....and which don't let you wast all this " your " time on internet....bubbling with other appearent pseudo non-dualists......in endless number of posts....etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > get real ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > Who you are?... > > > > > > > > > > > > a bubbling bubble... > > > > > > > > > > > > what else... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a bad joke, with a smile at the end. > > > > > > > > > > It never cheered anyone up :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > good....i knew it!....lol > > > > > > > > > > > > but then....have some serious occupation.... > > > > > > > > there is absolutly nothing in here! > > > > > > > > except some jokes hanging around like fools....you know...this kind of fools.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > No fools, no wise ones either. > > > > > > Just perfect peace. > > > > > > But the attempt to live within a bubble distorts the perfect peace that is. > > > > > > With no attempt, just " is. " > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > now we are the point!! > > > > some people only dream about this your " no attempt, just is " .... > > > > for the simple reason....that they get no choice for this " no attempt " .....for some reason....means, because of ignorance > > > > lol > > > > > > Marc > > Hi Marc - > > " Some people " is a construction. > > All constructions co-arise and are inter-dependently defined. > > Choicelessly, of course - because " choice " and " no choice " are also constructions, and also co-arise. > > It is as if everything that happens, happens " of itself, " spontaneously ordering all experiences and phenomena. > > Ignorance is " ignore-ance. " > > It is a convolution of awareness, whereby it attempt to deny itself by forming an existence outside itself to observe itself as an object. > > It can't be done, and never happened. > > So, everything experienced as a result of ignore-ance, never happened. > > One instant of clear seeing, and ignore-ance is transformed (without anything actually changing). > > Ignore-ance never happened. > > There is only awareness, only " suchness " or " thusness. " > > This, as is. > > There are no actual self-bubbles ever, anywhere. > > This is true freedom. > > One being this freedom has freed the entire perceptual reality, and all projected " others " - which are aspects of the perceived reality. > > There is only one freedom. > > It has no name. > > It is one's being right now - > > unrecognized because memory has no way to integrate it. > > > The attempt of memory to integrate experience is ignore-ance, is time. > > > That attempt never actually occurred, was always " as if " ... could only ever be " as if. " > > > As you are now, you are this freedom. > > > There is nothing other than freedom. > > > Freedom to be, freedom from being ... it is the same. > > > To be or not to be, is not the question. > > To be *is* not to be. > > > Being and nonbeing don't apply. > > > - D - > you already forget...after few secondes ....of this your great writings... that " Marc " is just a construction.... .... Marc Ps: Tim is your brother?...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One need the energy of God to enter a world... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One enter the world with the energy of God... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no choice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God is the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are the imaginary included ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until we know the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and God > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and with little chance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: off > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In answering the unknown using the God card........answers nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's the lazy way out.....that doesn't get you out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think it's very lazy to ignore some facts about " God " ....about some " energy of God " ......people are talking about since thousands of years.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either God can do something about the suffering.....or he won't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which do you think it is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why coming from " God " ...to " suffering " ....?....means, why the relation of/to both?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the energy of God is always present..... > > > > > > > > > like the apple on the tree.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's about to use It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The energy of God " is an idea in your head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see some of that stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's take a look at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you only need to take a look at yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............if I could only find it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark........there is no self......and that makes all of its gods obsolete. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds ok this your conclusion.... > > > > > > > > > > but maybe this doesn't mean, that for some duration of time....it has been necessary to know the nature of such imaginary self....and also the nature of God...etc > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > to know that there is no self....come out from a whole process of seeking/searching/contacts/experiences/understandings etc... > > > > > > > > > > there is no " shortcut " to the result of such process > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > means, you can't help out anybody on such process > > > > > > > > > > and also...you don't need to help anybody on such process....means, there is no obligation or natural law or mission or mysterious power or consciousness or awareness which give imaginary " you " the right/mission to help out anybody on such process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you suppose that Ramana and Nisargadatta spoke of this until they died? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > because they weren't forced to do anything special anymore....they were free from any worldly tasks......means, they got liberation from choicelessness.... > > > > > > they weren't anymore from/about/of this your appearent world..... > > > > > > they weren't anymore this their appearent bodies.... > > > > > > they felt great peace, happiness and joy.....and they knew exactly the reason why.... > > > > > > etc... > > > etc... > > > > > > Means, they just had some occupation which allowed them to keep on being what they ARE....and ever have been for real. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > This isn't the case for many many pseudo enlightened and spiritual teachers, Gurus etc.....who are still running after this their final liberation....means to fullfill this their ONLY real lifetask they ever got......like everybody else. > > > > > > The only lifetask of life is liberation. > > > > > > This concern the imaginary self. > > > > > > Nobody else. > > > > > > After liberation....there is nobody anymore who need any liberation. > > > > > > .... > > > > > > Wish a successful day to all this little spiritual egos in here.....who are just running after this their liberation.....with, or without being aware of it. > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Says Marc to himself, by addressing the " others " he projects. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Whenever projectors meet....they fight. > > > :-) > > > > toombaru > wherever fools meet....they share a fantastic time.... 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Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One need the energy of God to enter a world... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One enter the world with the energy of God... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no choice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God is the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are the imaginary included ones > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until we know the world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and God > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and with little chance... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > us too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: off > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In answering the unknown using the God card........answers nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's the lazy way out.....that doesn't get you out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i think it's very lazy to ignore some facts about " God " ....about some " energy of God " ......people are talking about since thousands of years.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either God can do something about the suffering.....or he won't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which do you think it is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why coming from " God " ...to " suffering " ....?....means, why the relation of/to both?.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the energy of God is always present..... > > > > > > > > > > like the apple on the tree.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's about to use It.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " The energy of God " is an idea in your head. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see some of that stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's take a look at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you only need to take a look at yourself.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ............if I could only find it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark........there is no self......and that makes all of its gods obsolete. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds ok this your conclusion.... > > > > > > > > > > > > but maybe this doesn't mean, that for some duration of time....it has been necessary to know the nature of such imaginary self....and also the nature of God...etc > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > to know that there is no self....come out from a whole process of seeking/searching/contacts/experiences/understandings etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no " shortcut " to the result of such process > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > means, you can't help out anybody on such process > > > > > > > > > > > > and also...you don't need to help anybody on such process....means, there is no obligation or natural law or mission or mysterious power or consciousness or awareness which give imaginary " you " the right/mission to help out anybody on such process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you suppose that Ramana and Nisargadatta spoke of this until they died? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because they weren't forced to do anything special anymore....they were free from any worldly tasks......means, they got liberation from choicelessness.... > > > > > > > > they weren't anymore from/about/of this your appearent world..... > > > > > > > > they weren't anymore this their appearent bodies.... > > > > > > > > they felt great peace, happiness and joy.....and they knew exactly the reason why.... > > > > > > > > etc... > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > Means, they just had some occupation which allowed them to keep on being what they ARE....and ever have been for real. > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > This isn't the case for many many pseudo enlightened and spiritual teachers, Gurus etc.....who are still running after this their final liberation....means to fullfill this their ONLY real lifetask they ever got......like everybody else. > > > > > > > > The only lifetask of life is liberation. > > > > > > > > This concern the imaginary self. > > > > > > > > Nobody else. > > > > > > > > After liberation....there is nobody anymore who need any liberation. > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > Wish a successful day to all this little spiritual egos in here.....who are just running after this their liberation.....with, or without being aware of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Says Marc to himself, by addressing the " others " he projects. > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > great concept.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > Thanks. Glad you liked it. > > > - D - > glad you got some nice occupation....even if it's only about concepts.... lol Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, find out who you are..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe then you will get some occupation which let you (choicelessly) bubble some more serious words in here....and which don't let you wast all this " your " time on internet....bubbling with other appearent pseudo non-dualists......in endless number of posts....etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get real ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who you are?... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bubbling bubble... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what else... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a bad joke, with a smile at the end. > > > > > > > > > > > > It never cheered anyone up :-p. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good....i knew it!....lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but then....have some serious occupation.... > > > > > > > > > > there is absolutly nothing in here! > > > > > > > > > > except some jokes hanging around like fools....you know...this kind of fools.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > No fools, no wise ones either. > > > > > > > > Just perfect peace. > > > > > > > > But the attempt to live within a bubble distorts the perfect peace that is. > > > > > > > > With no attempt, just " is. " > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > now we are the point!! > > > > > > some people only dream about this your " no attempt, just is " .... > > > > > > for the simple reason....that they get no choice for this " no attempt " .....for some reason....means, because of ignorance > > > > > > lol > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > Hi Marc - > > > > " Some people " is a construction. > > > > All constructions co-arise and are inter-dependently defined. > > > > Choicelessly, of course - because " choice " and " no choice " are also constructions, and also co-arise. > > > > It is as if everything that happens, happens " of itself, " spontaneously ordering all experiences and phenomena. > > > > Ignorance is " ignore-ance. " > > > > It is a convolution of awareness, whereby it attempt to deny itself by forming an existence outside itself to observe itself as an object. > > > > It can't be done, and never happened. > > > > So, everything experienced as a result of ignore-ance, never happened. > > > > One instant of clear seeing, and ignore-ance is transformed (without anything actually changing). > > > > Ignore-ance never happened. > > > > There is only awareness, only " suchness " or " thusness. " > > > > This, as is. > > > > There are no actual self-bubbles ever, anywhere. > > > > This is true freedom. > > > > One being this freedom has freed the entire perceptual reality, and all projected " others " - which are aspects of the perceived reality. > > > > There is only one freedom. > > > > It has no name. > > > > It is one's being right now - > > > > unrecognized because memory has no way to integrate it. > > > > > > The attempt of memory to integrate experience is ignore-ance, is time. > > > > > > That attempt never actually occurred, was always " as if " ... could only ever be " as if. " > > > > > > As you are now, you are this freedom. > > > > > > There is nothing other than freedom. > > > > > > Freedom to be, freedom from being ... it is the same. > > > > > > To be or not to be, is not the question. > > > > To be *is* not to be. > > > > > > Being and nonbeing don't apply. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > you already forget...after few secondes ....of this your great writings... > > that " Marc " is just a construction.... > > ... > > > Marc > > > Ps: Tim is your brother?...lol Forget? Was there something that should have been remembered? If so, I forgot it. And guess what? Everything is fine. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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