Critics of realism: leave life alone if you cannot adore it (daily Nisargadatta)

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

Beautiful

 

" Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > Questioner: A crude, unevolved man will not work without a reward. Is it not

right to offer him incentives?

> >

> > Nisargadatta: He will create for himself incentives anyhow. He does not

know that to grow is in the nature of consciousness. He will progress from

motive to motive and will chase Gurus for the fulfilment of his desires. When by

the laws of his being he finds the way of return (nivritti) he abandons all

motives, for his interest in the world is over. He wants nothing -- neither from

others nor from himself. He dies to all and becomes the All. To want nothing and

do nothing -- that is true creation! To watch the universe emerging and

subsiding in one's heart is a wonder.

> >

> > -- from " I Am That "

> >

 

Dan, (et al)

 

I have yet to see you in strong dissonance with Advaita. I respect your posts

here. They remind me of Tolle's " feel " -- dry, but precise and clear.

 

So, I have to ask: why do you call Nisargadatta's quote " beautiful? " After all,

it represents the complete annihilation of all things conceptual, material, and

spiritual, and it is utterly true, yet it is only 1/2 of Nisargadatta's stance.

 

Point being: Nisargadatta's lifestyle was robust, engaged, heartful, effulgent,

blazingly energetic -- where do you see his body/mind adopting, or

accommodating, or integrating, or " making practical " or reflecting his above

statement? Where do we see his lifestyle espousing the brand of redneck

nihilism bandied here? He loved life and lived it, and that is contrary to his

statement -- thus we must resolve this dissonance.

 

The nonsense that's offered here as " true Advaita " offends the balance and

vastness of the knowledge Nisargadatta embodied. He was all about having your

cake and eating it too.

 

Someone posted here that Nisargadatta did pujas etc. " just to humor the short

bus folks " -- something like that.

 

How tawdry and low a summation of Nisargadatta's contributions!

 

He was all about having " 200% of life " -- Purnamidah Purnamidam -- " the Absolute

is full; the relative is full. "

 

Creation was not manifested solely so that folks could then reject it with a

vile attachment to and a misuse of Advaita-as-a-tool -- a misuse that sinfully

intends to pull the rug out from under all spiritual values.

 

The relative is the face of the Absolute, and the very " fact " that it -- somehow

-- beyond intellect -- is the source of the relative gives the relative the

status of " sacredly formed by divinity we know not the non-ways of. "

 

Creation should be honored, bowed to as God's Art, and welcomed into one's

mind's small theater and roundly applauded by one's small audience. We're all

inside a divinely built cathedral -- worshiping is the order of the day. And,

awhoa, what's not to worship? What isn't transcendentally immanent and

effulgent?

 

I call all here to step up and get the tee shirt called: " the care and feeding

of a human mind. " The poor beast that is one's organism -- my heart breaks for

it -- this overworked animal that one has ridden across the plains of time

goaded by one's inner homunculus' constant spurrings, and that has been worked

into lather after lather, deserves some respect and kindness and sheltering and

spiritual husbandry.

 

And that means: give your horse some peace. Give it pasture and oats. Give it

a shade tree. Curry it. Love it. It only and solely wants to please you. It

is in love with you. It wants only to put its head over your shoulder while you

stroke its velvet nose. You are its God.

 

For has it not served you and endured every foul substance you've forced it to

eat, has it not burned its candle at both ends for you -- even to the extent

that it becomes ill from the stress of trying to serve your many contradictory

intents? Is not the body/mind completely sold out to you as your most ardent

devotee?

 

All the nihilists here who have dogs or cats as their house pets are certain to

treat those pets with more respect than they conceptually treat their own

body/minds herein. I say, love your pet-self until you find your pet-owner-Self

hidden in plain sight.

 

To post such negativity day after day is to sap one's life of value by

hardwiring the brain to be a constant producer of hopelessness. That simply

cannot be the intent of creation. Creation is the cherry on top of the Absolute

Sundae. One should stride into the future as if carrying God's banner. Each and

all of us have body/minds that are capable of being perfect reflections -- how

bad is that, eh? Perfection in any form -- gotta love that.

 

Here's the proof of the hypocrisy of the fun-killers here: if any of them --

EACH ONE OF THEM, ALL OF THEM -- were to be walking down the street and a car

jumped the curb and rushed towards them -- whoa....we'd see some fuckers

scattering. We see some jerks who loved their humanness-pets panicked into every

sort of self preservation.

 

If any of you smug fucks deny that you'd jump away, who here would believe you?

 

And, miss not that Ramana or Nisargadatta would jump out of the way too -- even

though both are on record with statements like the above.

 

Every Buddha, every incarnation of Krishna, Christ, and on and on the gurus can

be named, each and all addressed an audience -- an audience that the stooges and

dolts here denigrate. Buddha, Krishna, Christ -- they fucking loved us and took

us seriously enough to dedicate their entire lives to alluring us to their

spirituality.

 

Each of them thought highly of our nothingness.

 

Yet, here, we see mangy dogs barking themselves hoarse -- arfing about how

stoooooopid it is to bark -- bow-wowing that life is a hydrant -- instead of

bowing and wowing to/about the miracle that life is.

 

No one gets enlightened by neti nearly as fast as those who love creation and

seek unity with it. The perfect neti-ist gets to the state where " nothing can

allure me any longer cuz it's all illusion, " but the bhakti gets to a state

where " I have been given all that God can give to me, and yet I must have more. "

The bhakti is all set to receive grace, the neti-ist has to be hit with a board

upside the head and made to pay attention to that which cannot be attended.

Gee, does ya think God has an easier time with bhaktis?

 

Do you like Hollywood movies? Does ya pay goodly sums to see them?

 

Tell me: how much would you pay to be able to walk into a store and have a

thousand incarnations to choose from? Isn't that what you're doing right now:

enjoying an incarnation God chose especially for your entertainment? Are you

not now in a Star Trek holodeck watching the big-screen called " my mind? " Is

not every thought and feeling you have ABSOLUTELY INTERESTING AND ATTENTION

GRABBING?

 

Nope, you fuzzyheads so in love with deconstruction, this ride across the

universe is meant to be done laughing all the way.

 

Mount up!

 

Edg

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Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: Beautiful

>

> " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > Questioner: A crude, unevolved man will not work without a reward. Is it

not right to offer him incentives?

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta: He will create for himself incentives anyhow. He does not

know that to grow is in the nature of consciousness. He will progress from

motive to motive and will chase Gurus for the fulfilment of his desires. When by

the laws of his being he finds the way of return (nivritti) he abandons all

motives, for his interest in the world is over. He wants nothing -- neither from

others nor from himself. He dies to all and becomes the All. To want nothing and

do nothing -- that is true creation! To watch the universe emerging and

subsiding in one's heart is a wonder.

> > >

> > > -- from " I Am That "

> > >

>

> Dan, (et al)

>

> I have yet to see you in strong dissonance with Advaita.

I respect your posts here. They remind me of Tolle's " feel " -- dry, but

precise and clear.

>

> So, I have to ask: why do you call Nisargadatta's quote " beautiful? "

 

There wasn't any why.

 

When I read it, it felt beautiful to read it, so I said so.

 

Thanks for asking,

 

-- Dan --

 

(nothing new below)

 

 

After all, it represents the complete annihilation of all things conceptual,

material, and spiritual, and it is utterly true, yet it is only 1/2 of

Nisargadatta's stance.

>

> Point being: Nisargadatta's lifestyle was robust, engaged, heartful,

effulgent, blazingly energetic -- where do you see his body/mind adopting, or

accommodating, or integrating, or " making practical " or reflecting his above

statement? Where do we see his lifestyle espousing the brand of redneck

nihilism bandied here? He loved life and lived it, and that is contrary to his

statement -- thus we must resolve this dissonance.

>

> The nonsense that's offered here as " true Advaita " offends the balance and

vastness of the knowledge Nisargadatta embodied. He was all about having your

cake and eating it too.

>

> Someone posted here that Nisargadatta did pujas etc. " just to humor the short

bus folks " -- something like that.

>

> How tawdry and low a summation of Nisargadatta's contributions!

>

> He was all about having " 200% of life " -- Purnamidah Purnamidam -- " the

Absolute is full; the relative is full. "

>

> Creation was not manifested solely so that folks could then reject it with a

vile attachment to and a misuse of Advaita-as-a-tool -- a misuse that sinfully

intends to pull the rug out from under all spiritual values.

>

> The relative is the face of the Absolute, and the very " fact " that it --

somehow -- beyond intellect -- is the source of the relative gives the relative

the status of " sacredly formed by divinity we know not the non-ways of. "

>

> Creation should be honored, bowed to as God's Art, and welcomed into one's

mind's small theater and roundly applauded by one's small audience. We're all

inside a divinely built cathedral -- worshiping is the order of the day. And,

awhoa, what's not to worship? What isn't transcendentally immanent and

effulgent?

>

> I call all here to step up and get the tee shirt called: " the care and feeding

of a human mind. " The poor beast that is one's organism -- my heart breaks for

it -- this overworked animal that one has ridden across the plains of time

goaded by one's inner homunculus' constant spurrings, and that has been worked

into lather after lather, deserves some respect and kindness and sheltering and

spiritual husbandry.

>

> And that means: give your horse some peace. Give it pasture and oats. Give

it a shade tree. Curry it. Love it. It only and solely wants to please you.

It is in love with you. It wants only to put its head over your shoulder while

you stroke its velvet nose. You are its God.

>

> For has it not served you and endured every foul substance you've forced it to

eat, has it not burned its candle at both ends for you -- even to the extent

that it becomes ill from the stress of trying to serve your many contradictory

intents? Is not the body/mind completely sold out to you as your most ardent

devotee?

>

> All the nihilists here who have dogs or cats as their house pets are certain

to treat those pets with more respect than they conceptually treat their own

body/minds herein. I say, love your pet-self until you find your pet-owner-Self

hidden in plain sight.

>

> To post such negativity day after day is to sap one's life of value by

hardwiring the brain to be a constant producer of hopelessness. That simply

cannot be the intent of creation. Creation is the cherry on top of the Absolute

Sundae. One should stride into the future as if carrying God's banner. Each and

all of us have body/minds that are capable of being perfect reflections -- how

bad is that, eh? Perfection in any form -- gotta love that.

>

> Here's the proof of the hypocrisy of the fun-killers here: if any of them --

EACH ONE OF THEM, ALL OF THEM -- were to be walking down the street and a car

jumped the curb and rushed towards them -- whoa....we'd see some fuckers

scattering. We see some jerks who loved their humanness-pets panicked into every

sort of self preservation.

>

> If any of you smug fucks deny that you'd jump away, who here would believe

you?

>

> And, miss not that Ramana or Nisargadatta would jump out of the way too --

even though both are on record with statements like the above.

>

> Every Buddha, every incarnation of Krishna, Christ, and on and on the gurus

can be named, each and all addressed an audience -- an audience that the stooges

and dolts here denigrate. Buddha, Krishna, Christ -- they fucking loved us and

took us seriously enough to dedicate their entire lives to alluring us to their

spirituality.

>

> Each of them thought highly of our nothingness.

>

> Yet, here, we see mangy dogs barking themselves hoarse -- arfing about how

stoooooopid it is to bark -- bow-wowing that life is a hydrant -- instead of

bowing and wowing to/about the miracle that life is.

>

> No one gets enlightened by neti nearly as fast as those who love creation and

seek unity with it. The perfect neti-ist gets to the state where " nothing can

allure me any longer cuz it's all illusion, " but the bhakti gets to a state

where " I have been given all that God can give to me, and yet I must have more. "

The bhakti is all set to receive grace, the neti-ist has to be hit with a board

upside the head and made to pay attention to that which cannot be attended.

Gee, does ya think God has an easier time with bhaktis?

>

> Do you like Hollywood movies? Does ya pay goodly sums to see them?

>

> Tell me: how much would you pay to be able to walk into a store and have a

thousand incarnations to choose from? Isn't that what you're doing right now:

enjoying an incarnation God chose especially for your entertainment? Are you

not now in a Star Trek holodeck watching the big-screen called " my mind? " Is

not every thought and feeling you have ABSOLUTELY INTERESTING AND ATTENTION

GRABBING?

>

> Nope, you fuzzyheads so in love with deconstruction, this ride across the

universe is meant to be done laughing all the way.

>

> Mount up!

>

> Edg

>