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Questioner: We are advised to worship reality personified as God, or as the

Perfect Man. We are told not to attempt the worship of the Absolute, as it is

much too difficult for a brain-centred consciousness.

 

Nisargadatta Maharaj: Truth is simple and open to all. Why do you complicate?

Truth is loving and lovable. It includes all, accepts all, purifies all. It is

untruth that is difficult and a source of trouble. It always wants, expects,

demands. Being false, it is empty, always in search of confirmation and

reassurance. It is afraid of and avoids enquiry. It identifies itself with any

support, however weak and momentary. Whatever it gets, it loses and asks for

more.

 

-- from " I Am That "

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

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> Questioner: We are advised to worship reality personified as God, or as the

Perfect Man. We are told not to attempt the worship of the Absolute, as it is

much too difficult for a brain-centred consciousness.

>

> Nisargadatta Maharaj: Truth is simple and open to all. Why do you complicate?

Truth is loving and lovable. It includes all, accepts all, purifies all. It is

untruth that is difficult and a source of trouble. It always wants, expects,

demands. Being false, it is empty, always in search of confirmation and

reassurance. It is afraid of and avoids enquiry. It identifies itself with any

support, however weak and momentary. Whatever it gets, it loses and asks for

more.

>

> -- from " I Am That "

>

 

 

 

" Truth is loving and lovable " is a very comforting thought.

 

Is that the way you see it?

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Questioner: We are advised to worship reality personified as God, or as

the Perfect Man. We are told not to attempt the worship of the Absolute, as it

is much too difficult for a brain-centred consciousness.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta Maharaj: Truth is simple and open to all. Why do you

complicate? Truth is loving and lovable. It includes all, accepts all, purifies

all. It is untruth that is difficult and a source of trouble. It always wants,

expects, demands. Being false, it is empty, always in search of confirmation and

reassurance. It is afraid of and avoids enquiry. It identifies itself with any

support, however weak and momentary. Whatever it gets, it loses and asks for

more.

> > >

> > > -- from " I Am That "

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > " Truth is loving and lovable " is a very comforting thought.

> >

> > Is that the way you see it?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> Do you see comforting thoughts as troublesome?

>

 

 

When they function to comfort the self.........Yes....I do.

 

 

 

toombaru

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toombaru2006

Nisargadatta

Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:41 PM

Re: today's Nisargadatta

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Questioner: We are advised to worship reality personified as God, or

> > > as the Perfect Man. We are told not to attempt the worship of the

> > > Absolute, as it is much too difficult for a brain-centred

> > > consciousness.

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta Maharaj: Truth is simple and open to all. Why do you

> > > complicate? Truth is loving and lovable. It includes all, accepts all,

> > > purifies all. It is untruth that is difficult and a source of trouble.

> > > It always wants, expects, demands. Being false, it is empty, always in

> > > search of confirmation and reassurance. It is afraid of and avoids

> > > enquiry. It identifies itself with any support, however weak and

> > > momentary. Whatever it gets, it loses and asks for more.

> > >

> > > -- from " I Am That "

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > " Truth is loving and lovable " is a very comforting thought.

> >

> > Is that the way you see it?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> Do you see comforting thoughts as troublesome?

>

 

When they function to comfort the self.........Yes....I do.

 

toombaru

 

Funny..I dont have problems to understand the quote at all. Being the ground

there is nothing needed...no needs...no becoming something else...no hope of

attaining a goal in future. Once these obstacles are not what remains is

that. Call it what you want...love...adfoiasofi...ejriedjadn...the same. Of

course there is the " practice " of love which is nonsense, or the pursuit of

pure love...manure, making love....sex. IN the other hand he is calling

the " false " that which is transitory, with boundaries, needy, empty in the

heart...

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote:

>

> Questioner: We are advised to worship reality personified as God, or as the

Perfect Man. We are told not to attempt the worship of the Absolute, as it is

much too difficult for a brain-centred consciousness.

>

> Nisargadatta Maharaj: Truth is simple and open to all. Why do you complicate?

Truth is loving and lovable. It includes all, accepts all, purifies all. It is

untruth that is difficult and a source of trouble. It always wants, expects,

demands. Being false, it is empty, always in search of confirmation and

reassurance. It is afraid of and avoids enquiry. It identifies itself with any

support, however weak and momentary. Whatever it gets, it loses and asks for

more.

>

> -- from " I Am That "

 

 

Good stuff.

 

" To he who has shall be given. From he who has not, I shall take away the

little that he has. "

 

Amazing resonation here between the words of Nis. and the words above from the

NT.

 

Also, these words from an old Zen teacher:

 

" If you have a staff, I shall give you one. If you don't have a staff, I will

take it away. "

 

For one who understands the sufficiency of the moment, each moment always is

sufficient, the movement of life as it is is always " given. "

 

For one who holds to support, who is looking for support - there never is enough

there, and it is always being taken.

 

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Nisargadatta

Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:25 PM

Re: today's Nisargadatta

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:41 PM

> Re: today's Nisargadatta

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Questioner: We are advised to worship reality personified as God, or

> > > > as the Perfect Man. We are told not to attempt the worship of the

> > > > Absolute, as it is much too difficult for a brain-centred

> > > > consciousness.

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj: Truth is simple and open to all. Why do you

> > > > complicate? Truth is loving and lovable. It includes all, accepts

> > > > all,

> > > > purifies all. It is untruth that is difficult and a source of

> > > > trouble.

> > > > It always wants, expects, demands. Being false, it is empty, always

> > > > in

> > > > search of confirmation and reassurance. It is afraid of and avoids

> > > > enquiry. It identifies itself with any support, however weak and

> > > > momentary. Whatever it gets, it loses and asks for more.

> > > >

> > > > -- from " I Am That "

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " Truth is loving and lovable " is a very comforting thought.

> > >

> > > Is that the way you see it?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > Do you see comforting thoughts as troublesome?

> >

>

> When they function to comfort the self.........Yes....I do.

>

> toombaru

>

> Funny..I dont have problems to understand the quote at all. Being the

> ground

> there is nothing needed...no needs...no becoming something else...no hope

> of

> attaining a goal in future. Once these obstacles are not what remains is

> that. Call it what you want...love...adfoiasofi...ejriedjadn...the same.

> Of

> course there is the " practice " of love which is nonsense, or the pursuit

> of

> pure love...manure, making love....sex. IN the other hand he is calling

> the " false " that which is transitory, with boundaries, needy, empty in the

> heart...

> -geo-

>

 

Ok......Let's call " it " anything you like.

 

Basically what is being referred to is the comfort zone of the conceptual

entity.

 

Its ultimate goal is its own comfort.

 

It seeks enlightenment....eternal bliss....the peace that passes

understanding....the Elysian Fields......Heaven......Valhalla.....Shangra

La......a new car....a new lover......

 

It is searching for one of its own acquired concepts in an effort to improve

its imaginary existence.

 

There's nothing wrong with that....that's just what life has programmed it

to do.

 

I am saying that there is a totally different take on things.

 

One that is not accessible to the conceptual mind and its spurious self.

 

One that is not concerned with the outcome of the on going events.

 

Call it love......call it God....call it guru.......call it anything you

like.....but as soon as you give it a name........it becomes part if the

self-referential loop and loses all relevance to anything outside of the

delusional dream of separation.

 

toombaru

 

Ok toomba. I get the message - really. But there is a paradox here. You also

are naming it - with other names. And the second problem is that you START

OFF with the idea that what geo is saying is conceptual. That is what you

say to anything you read. When I read your words I can also easyly identify

where the conceptivating machine creaped in. You say: basically what is

being referred to is the comfort zone of the conceptual entity. But that is

a conceptual take! How can you say so to ANYthing you read. When wayne says

" everything is consciousness " ...can also be just parroting, concept. So I

dont know....if everything is just an escape... whatare you doing here?

Telling us that you got it beyond concepts and not " us " ? Just because you

think you had some kind of enlightening " fit " where you almost died nobady

who did not have it is a conceptual parrot? Why are you glued to this list

then?? To listen to parrots?

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> toombaru2006

> Nisargadatta

> Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:25 PM

> Re: today's Nisargadatta

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > toombaru2006

> > Nisargadatta

> > Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:41 PM

> > Re: today's Nisargadatta

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Questioner: We are advised to worship reality personified as God, or

> > > > > as the Perfect Man. We are told not to attempt the worship of the

> > > > > Absolute, as it is much too difficult for a brain-centred

> > > > > consciousness.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj: Truth is simple and open to all. Why do you

> > > > > complicate? Truth is loving and lovable. It includes all, accepts

> > > > > all,

> > > > > purifies all. It is untruth that is difficult and a source of

> > > > > trouble.

> > > > > It always wants, expects, demands. Being false, it is empty, always

> > > > > in

> > > > > search of confirmation and reassurance. It is afraid of and avoids

> > > > > enquiry. It identifies itself with any support, however weak and

> > > > > momentary. Whatever it gets, it loses and asks for more.

> > > > >

> > > > > -- from " I Am That "

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Truth is loving and lovable " is a very comforting thought.

> > > >

> > > > Is that the way you see it?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > Do you see comforting thoughts as troublesome?

> > >

> >

> > When they function to comfort the self.........Yes....I do.

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> > Funny..I dont have problems to understand the quote at all. Being the

> > ground

> > there is nothing needed...no needs...no becoming something else...no hope

> > of

> > attaining a goal in future. Once these obstacles are not what remains is

> > that. Call it what you want...love...adfoiasofi...ejriedjadn...the same.

> > Of

> > course there is the " practice " of love which is nonsense, or the pursuit

> > of

> > pure love...manure, making love....sex. IN the other hand he is calling

> > the " false " that which is transitory, with boundaries, needy, empty in the

> > heart...

> > -geo-

> >

>

> Ok......Let's call " it " anything you like.

>

> Basically what is being referred to is the comfort zone of the conceptual

> entity.

>

> Its ultimate goal is its own comfort.

>

> It seeks enlightenment....eternal bliss....the peace that passes

> understanding....the Elysian Fields......Heaven......Valhalla.....Shangra

> La......a new car....a new lover......

>

> It is searching for one of its own acquired concepts in an effort to improve

> its imaginary existence.

>

> There's nothing wrong with that....that's just what life has programmed it

> to do.

>

> I am saying that there is a totally different take on things.

>

> One that is not accessible to the conceptual mind and its spurious self.

>

> One that is not concerned with the outcome of the on going events.

>

> Call it love......call it God....call it guru.......call it anything you

> like.....but as soon as you give it a name........it becomes part if the

> self-referential loop and loses all relevance to anything outside of the

> delusional dream of separation.

>

> toombaru

>

> Ok toomba. I get the message - really. But there is a paradox here. You also

> are naming it - with other names. And the second problem is that you START

> OFF with the idea that what geo is saying is conceptual. That is what you

> say to anything you read. When I read your words I can also easyly identify

> where the conceptivating machine creaped in. You say: basically what is

> being referred to is the comfort zone of the conceptual entity. But that is

> a conceptual take! How can you say so to ANYthing you read. When wayne says

> " everything is consciousness " ...can also be just parroting, concept. So I

> dont know....if everything is just an escape... whatare you doing here?

> Telling us that you got it beyond concepts and not " us " ? Just because you

> think you had some kind of enlightening " fit " where you almost died nobady

> who did not have it is a conceptual parrot? Why are you glued to this list

> then?? To listen to parrots?

> -geo-

>

 

 

 

There is.....apparently....within the mnemonic-loop that is you.......a belief

that the conceptual entity is privy to its own motives....and maybe that it even

HAS its very own motives.

 

Here it is seen that the entity and its motives are one and the same.

 

The entity here is no different than any other entity.......it reacts to its

environment.....likes pretty girls....prefers its own comfort zone.......and its

actions fit perfectly into the mechanical-reactionary consensus dream.

 

But.............no longer is it the geocentric center of the movie.

 

The character gets up in the morning.....takes a bath.....does its stuff very

much like most people drive their car....without thinking about it much.

 

It is known.....that for it......there is nothing beyond the dream.

 

And that's just fine.

 

But there is this most pleasant falling into what's next that seems to be out

there on the edge of what is.

 

.....and if it isn't...........that's ok too.

 

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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