Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Questioner: We are advised to worship reality personified as God, or as the Perfect Man. We are told not to attempt the worship of the Absolute, as it is much too difficult for a brain-centred consciousness. Nisargadatta Maharaj: Truth is simple and open to all. Why do you complicate? Truth is loving and lovable. It includes all, accepts all, purifies all. It is untruth that is difficult and a source of trouble. It always wants, expects, demands. Being false, it is empty, always in search of confirmation and reassurance. It is afraid of and avoids enquiry. It identifies itself with any support, however weak and momentary. Whatever it gets, it loses and asks for more. -- from " I Am That " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Questioner: We are advised to worship reality personified as God, or as the Perfect Man. We are told not to attempt the worship of the Absolute, as it is much too difficult for a brain-centred consciousness. > > Nisargadatta Maharaj: Truth is simple and open to all. Why do you complicate? Truth is loving and lovable. It includes all, accepts all, purifies all. It is untruth that is difficult and a source of trouble. It always wants, expects, demands. Being false, it is empty, always in search of confirmation and reassurance. It is afraid of and avoids enquiry. It identifies itself with any support, however weak and momentary. Whatever it gets, it loses and asks for more. > > -- from " I Am That " > " Truth is loving and lovable " is a very comforting thought. Is that the way you see it? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Questioner: We are advised to worship reality personified as God, or as the Perfect Man. We are told not to attempt the worship of the Absolute, as it is much too difficult for a brain-centred consciousness. > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj: Truth is simple and open to all. Why do you complicate? Truth is loving and lovable. It includes all, accepts all, purifies all. It is untruth that is difficult and a source of trouble. It always wants, expects, demands. Being false, it is empty, always in search of confirmation and reassurance. It is afraid of and avoids enquiry. It identifies itself with any support, however weak and momentary. Whatever it gets, it loses and asks for more. > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > > > " Truth is loving and lovable " is a very comforting thought. > > > > Is that the way you see it? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Do you see comforting thoughts as troublesome? > When they function to comfort the self.........Yes....I do. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:41 PM Re: today's Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Questioner: We are advised to worship reality personified as God, or > > > as the Perfect Man. We are told not to attempt the worship of the > > > Absolute, as it is much too difficult for a brain-centred > > > consciousness. > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj: Truth is simple and open to all. Why do you > > > complicate? Truth is loving and lovable. It includes all, accepts all, > > > purifies all. It is untruth that is difficult and a source of trouble. > > > It always wants, expects, demands. Being false, it is empty, always in > > > search of confirmation and reassurance. It is afraid of and avoids > > > enquiry. It identifies itself with any support, however weak and > > > momentary. Whatever it gets, it loses and asks for more. > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > > > " Truth is loving and lovable " is a very comforting thought. > > > > Is that the way you see it? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Do you see comforting thoughts as troublesome? > When they function to comfort the self.........Yes....I do. toombaru Funny..I dont have problems to understand the quote at all. Being the ground there is nothing needed...no needs...no becoming something else...no hope of attaining a goal in future. Once these obstacles are not what remains is that. Call it what you want...love...adfoiasofi...ejriedjadn...the same. Of course there is the " practice " of love which is nonsense, or the pursuit of pure love...manure, making love....sex. IN the other hand he is calling the " false " that which is transitory, with boundaries, needy, empty in the heart... -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Questioner: We are advised to worship reality personified as God, or as the Perfect Man. We are told not to attempt the worship of the Absolute, as it is much too difficult for a brain-centred consciousness. > > Nisargadatta Maharaj: Truth is simple and open to all. Why do you complicate? Truth is loving and lovable. It includes all, accepts all, purifies all. It is untruth that is difficult and a source of trouble. It always wants, expects, demands. Being false, it is empty, always in search of confirmation and reassurance. It is afraid of and avoids enquiry. It identifies itself with any support, however weak and momentary. Whatever it gets, it loses and asks for more. > > -- from " I Am That " Good stuff. " To he who has shall be given. From he who has not, I shall take away the little that he has. " Amazing resonation here between the words of Nis. and the words above from the NT. Also, these words from an old Zen teacher: " If you have a staff, I shall give you one. If you don't have a staff, I will take it away. " For one who understands the sufficiency of the moment, each moment always is sufficient, the movement of life as it is is always " given. " For one who holds to support, who is looking for support - there never is enough there, and it is always being taken. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:25 PM Re: today's Nisargadatta Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:41 PM > Re: today's Nisargadatta > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Questioner: We are advised to worship reality personified as God, or > > > > as the Perfect Man. We are told not to attempt the worship of the > > > > Absolute, as it is much too difficult for a brain-centred > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj: Truth is simple and open to all. Why do you > > > > complicate? Truth is loving and lovable. It includes all, accepts > > > > all, > > > > purifies all. It is untruth that is difficult and a source of > > > > trouble. > > > > It always wants, expects, demands. Being false, it is empty, always > > > > in > > > > search of confirmation and reassurance. It is afraid of and avoids > > > > enquiry. It identifies itself with any support, however weak and > > > > momentary. Whatever it gets, it loses and asks for more. > > > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Truth is loving and lovable " is a very comforting thought. > > > > > > Is that the way you see it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Do you see comforting thoughts as troublesome? > > > > When they function to comfort the self.........Yes....I do. > > toombaru > > Funny..I dont have problems to understand the quote at all. Being the > ground > there is nothing needed...no needs...no becoming something else...no hope > of > attaining a goal in future. Once these obstacles are not what remains is > that. Call it what you want...love...adfoiasofi...ejriedjadn...the same. > Of > course there is the " practice " of love which is nonsense, or the pursuit > of > pure love...manure, making love....sex. IN the other hand he is calling > the " false " that which is transitory, with boundaries, needy, empty in the > heart... > -geo- > Ok......Let's call " it " anything you like. Basically what is being referred to is the comfort zone of the conceptual entity. Its ultimate goal is its own comfort. It seeks enlightenment....eternal bliss....the peace that passes understanding....the Elysian Fields......Heaven......Valhalla.....Shangra La......a new car....a new lover...... It is searching for one of its own acquired concepts in an effort to improve its imaginary existence. There's nothing wrong with that....that's just what life has programmed it to do. I am saying that there is a totally different take on things. One that is not accessible to the conceptual mind and its spurious self. One that is not concerned with the outcome of the on going events. Call it love......call it God....call it guru.......call it anything you like.....but as soon as you give it a name........it becomes part if the self-referential loop and loses all relevance to anything outside of the delusional dream of separation. toombaru Ok toomba. I get the message - really. But there is a paradox here. You also are naming it - with other names. And the second problem is that you START OFF with the idea that what geo is saying is conceptual. That is what you say to anything you read. When I read your words I can also easyly identify where the conceptivating machine creaped in. You say: basically what is being referred to is the comfort zone of the conceptual entity. But that is a conceptual take! How can you say so to ANYthing you read. When wayne says " everything is consciousness " ...can also be just parroting, concept. So I dont know....if everything is just an escape... whatare you doing here? Telling us that you got it beyond concepts and not " us " ? Just because you think you had some kind of enlightening " fit " where you almost died nobady who did not have it is a conceptual parrot? Why are you glued to this list then?? To listen to parrots? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:25 PM > Re: today's Nisargadatta > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:41 PM > > Re: today's Nisargadatta > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Questioner: We are advised to worship reality personified as God, or > > > > > as the Perfect Man. We are told not to attempt the worship of the > > > > > Absolute, as it is much too difficult for a brain-centred > > > > > consciousness. > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj: Truth is simple and open to all. Why do you > > > > > complicate? Truth is loving and lovable. It includes all, accepts > > > > > all, > > > > > purifies all. It is untruth that is difficult and a source of > > > > > trouble. > > > > > It always wants, expects, demands. Being false, it is empty, always > > > > > in > > > > > search of confirmation and reassurance. It is afraid of and avoids > > > > > enquiry. It identifies itself with any support, however weak and > > > > > momentary. Whatever it gets, it loses and asks for more. > > > > > > > > > > -- from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Truth is loving and lovable " is a very comforting thought. > > > > > > > > Is that the way you see it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Do you see comforting thoughts as troublesome? > > > > > > > When they function to comfort the self.........Yes....I do. > > > > toombaru > > > > Funny..I dont have problems to understand the quote at all. Being the > > ground > > there is nothing needed...no needs...no becoming something else...no hope > > of > > attaining a goal in future. Once these obstacles are not what remains is > > that. Call it what you want...love...adfoiasofi...ejriedjadn...the same. > > Of > > course there is the " practice " of love which is nonsense, or the pursuit > > of > > pure love...manure, making love....sex. IN the other hand he is calling > > the " false " that which is transitory, with boundaries, needy, empty in the > > heart... > > -geo- > > > > Ok......Let's call " it " anything you like. > > Basically what is being referred to is the comfort zone of the conceptual > entity. > > Its ultimate goal is its own comfort. > > It seeks enlightenment....eternal bliss....the peace that passes > understanding....the Elysian Fields......Heaven......Valhalla.....Shangra > La......a new car....a new lover...... > > It is searching for one of its own acquired concepts in an effort to improve > its imaginary existence. > > There's nothing wrong with that....that's just what life has programmed it > to do. > > I am saying that there is a totally different take on things. > > One that is not accessible to the conceptual mind and its spurious self. > > One that is not concerned with the outcome of the on going events. > > Call it love......call it God....call it guru.......call it anything you > like.....but as soon as you give it a name........it becomes part if the > self-referential loop and loses all relevance to anything outside of the > delusional dream of separation. > > toombaru > > Ok toomba. I get the message - really. But there is a paradox here. You also > are naming it - with other names. And the second problem is that you START > OFF with the idea that what geo is saying is conceptual. That is what you > say to anything you read. When I read your words I can also easyly identify > where the conceptivating machine creaped in. You say: basically what is > being referred to is the comfort zone of the conceptual entity. But that is > a conceptual take! How can you say so to ANYthing you read. When wayne says > " everything is consciousness " ...can also be just parroting, concept. So I > dont know....if everything is just an escape... whatare you doing here? > Telling us that you got it beyond concepts and not " us " ? Just because you > think you had some kind of enlightening " fit " where you almost died nobady > who did not have it is a conceptual parrot? Why are you glued to this list > then?? To listen to parrots? > -geo- > There is.....apparently....within the mnemonic-loop that is you.......a belief that the conceptual entity is privy to its own motives....and maybe that it even HAS its very own motives. Here it is seen that the entity and its motives are one and the same. The entity here is no different than any other entity.......it reacts to its environment.....likes pretty girls....prefers its own comfort zone.......and its actions fit perfectly into the mechanical-reactionary consensus dream. But.............no longer is it the geocentric center of the movie. The character gets up in the morning.....takes a bath.....does its stuff very much like most people drive their car....without thinking about it much. It is known.....that for it......there is nothing beyond the dream. And that's just fine. But there is this most pleasant falling into what's next that seems to be out there on the edge of what is. .....and if it isn't...........that's ok too. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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