Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I offer you nothing. But you must take it. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > I like what Dan says about 'imploding'. The self is 'out there' as the big, wide world that has a past and a future and that holds 'me' who has a personal past and future tied to that world. > > > > Or not. > I know......you both like that idea. > Whenever the self gets a glimpse of its own essential emptiness it takes that insight and adds it to is resume. There is no " the self " glimpsing anything, Toom. It seems to me that you're going 'round and 'round with this concept. You repeatedly say it isn't, then you repeatedly say that it does things, wants things, and sees things. Your dialogues (monologues?) go back and forth. This reflects a tension in your understanding. You are talking to yourself, telling yourself that there is no self. Then, you are critiquing what the self wants, tries, sees. When self is utterly deconstructed, dialogues such as these cease to have meaning. > It now becomes something that thinks it is nothing. There isn't any " it " that can think it is something or nothing. Never has been, nor will be. > Sometimes it believes that it has become enlightened and tries to explain the emptiness to the perceived others......and sometimes it just gets depressed. The above is a misunderstanding. There isn't any self to become anything or get into any state of feeling, up or down. I've noticed how often you make comments about what you think it believes. It is like you are trying to place yourself somewhere else, by critiquing a self and what it believes. Like you want to be someplace with no self by critiquing what the self is doing. And that will never work. Not in a million years. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I offer you nothing. > > > > > > > > > But you must take it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > I already have nothing ;-). > > > > Not even a repulsion to the concept of being nothing, and nobody. > > > > Not even a concern that 'being nobody' is a way for self to hold on. > > > > Not even bothered here by talk of the Self, or to say the word " I " , or to say I'm myself. > > > > I can utter the words " I'm me " all day long, and there still is no separate 'me'. > > > > This isn't verbal. One doesn't get this from words, nor do words detract from this in any way. > > > > I like what Dan says about 'imploding'. The self is 'out there' as the big, wide world that has a past and a future and that holds 'me' who has a personal past and future tied to that world. > > > > Or not. > > > > You are the world and the world is you. > > In different words: > > 1) You are consciousness and consciousness is you. > 2) You are the I am and the I am is you. > > Thought is using the body as a reference for the word " I " or " me " and thus creating the illusion of a me. > > And there is nothing beyond: No emptiness, no nothingness, no Self, no Absolute, no eternity, no impersonal consciouness, no cosmic consciousness, no eternal darkness and no eternal silence - just nothing. > > Werner And not even nothing. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:55 PM > Re: I Offer You Nothing > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I offer you nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > But you must take it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I already have nothing ;-). > > > > > > Not even a repulsion to the concept of being nothing, and nobody. > > > > > > Not even a concern that 'being nobody' is a way for self to hold on. > > > > > > Not even bothered here by talk of the Self, or to say the word " I " , or > > > to say I'm myself. > > > > > > I can utter the words " I'm me " all day long, and there still is no > > > separate 'me'. > > > > > > This isn't verbal. One doesn't get this from words, nor do words detract > > > from this in any way. > > > > > > I like what Dan says about 'imploding'. The self is 'out there' as the > > > big, wide world that has a past and a future and that holds 'me' who has > > > a personal past and future tied to that world. > > > > > > Or not. > > > > > > > You are the world and the world is you. > > > > In different words: > > > > 1) You are consciousness and consciousness is you. > > 2) You are the I am and the I am is you. > > > > Thought is using the body as a reference for the word " I " or " me " and thus > > creating the illusion of a me. > > > > And there is nothing beyond: No emptiness, no nothingness, no Self, no > > Absolute, no eternity, no impersonal consciouness, no cosmic > > consciousness, no eternal darkness and no eternal silence - just nothing. > > > > Werner > > > > Sounds about right. > > :-) > > toombaru > > Sounds absurd here....wonder why.. > -geo- because it has the sound of an idea of nothing. - d - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:55 PM > > Re: I Offer You Nothing > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I offer you nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you must take it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > I already have nothing ;-). > > > > > > > > Not even a repulsion to the concept of being nothing, and nobody. > > > > > > > > Not even a concern that 'being nobody' is a way for self to hold on. > > > > > > > > Not even bothered here by talk of the Self, or to say the word " I " , or > > > > to say I'm myself. > > > > > > > > I can utter the words " I'm me " all day long, and there still is no > > > > separate 'me'. > > > > > > > > This isn't verbal. One doesn't get this from words, nor do words detract > > > > from this in any way. > > > > > > > > I like what Dan says about 'imploding'. The self is 'out there' as the > > > > big, wide world that has a past and a future and that holds 'me' who has > > > > a personal past and future tied to that world. > > > > > > > > Or not. > > > > > > > > > > You are the world and the world is you. > > > > > > In different words: > > > > > > 1) You are consciousness and consciousness is you. > > > 2) You are the I am and the I am is you. > > > > > > Thought is using the body as a reference for the word " I " or " me " and thus > > > creating the illusion of a me. > > > > > > And there is nothing beyond: No emptiness, no nothingness, no Self, no > > > Absolute, no eternity, no impersonal consciouness, no cosmic > > > consciousness, no eternal darkness and no eternal silence - just nothing. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > Sounds about right. > > > > :-) > > > > toombaru > > > > Sounds absurd here....wonder why.. > > -geo- > > > > > It also sounds absurd for kids when the first time they hear that Santa Claus is a fiction. > > It is the belief-system which creates the feeling of absurdity when its straws are questioned. > > Werner Werner - Just be nothing. Take you own advice. ;-) Smiles, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:40 PM Re: I Offer You Nothing Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:54 PM > Re: I Offer You Nothing > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:36 AM > > Re: I Offer You Nothing > > > > > > > > > > > > I like what Dan says about 'imploding'. The self is 'out there' as the > > > big, wide world that has a past and a future and that holds 'me' who > > > has > > > a > > > personal past and future tied to that world. > > > > > > Or not. > > > > > > > I know......you both like that idea. > > Whenever the self gets a glimpse of its own essential emptiness it takes > > that insight and adds it to is resume. > > It now becomes something that thinks it is nothing. > > Sometimes it believes that it has become enlightened and tries to > > explain > > the emptiness to the perceived others......and sometimes it just gets > > depressed. > > > > toombaru > > > > Toomba, do you feel anyone among the persons you have been in " touch " in > > these lists understands/sees/realizes what you are tlaking about? Or its > > just you.. > > -geo- > > > > I have no idea. > > Sometimes thought streams seem to converge.....sometimes not. > > I sat with Pete at a coffee shop and we disappeared into the afternoon. > > I have sat with others from these lists and something similar happened. > > I have absolutely no idea what is going on. > > And it is known that no one else does either. > > Nisargadatta knew that the perceptual world was not the ultimate > reality.....but he didn't have any idea what the ultimate reality is. > > Neither does anyone.....nor can they. > > It is known that there is great peace in not knowing....and in knowing > that > IT cannot be known. > > In the meantime......Life flows along......a grey fox runs through my > backyard......stops and watches me from the shadows.... > > ....we make eye contact......and I move softly into the space between us. > > toombaru > > There is nothing to be known. > -geo- > That's a meaningless negation....but so is this. :-) toombaru Are looking for some meaning? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 16/8/2009 17:01:40 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Sunday, August 16, 2009 4:37 PM Re: I Offer You Nothing Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:55 PM > Re: I Offer You Nothing > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I offer you nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > But you must take it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I already have nothing ;-). > > > > > > Not even a repulsion to the concept of being nothing, and nobody. > > > > > > Not even a concern that 'being nobody' is a way for self to hold on. > > > > > > Not even bothered here by talk of the Self, or to say the word " I " , or > > > to say I'm myself. > > > > > > I can utter the words " I'm me " all day long, and there still is no > > > separate 'me'. > > > > > > This isn't verbal. One doesn't get this from words, nor do words > > > detract > > > from this in any way. > > > > > > I like what Dan says about 'imploding'. The self is 'out there' as the > > > big, wide world that has a past and a future and that holds 'me' who > > > has > > > a personal past and future tied to that world. > > > > > > Or not. > > > > > > > You are the world and the world is you. > > > > In different words: > > > > 1) You are consciousness and consciousness is you. > > 2) You are the I am and the I am is you. > > > > Thought is using the body as a reference for the word " I " or " me " and > > thus > > creating the illusion of a me. > > > > And there is nothing beyond: No emptiness, no nothingness, no Self, no > > Absolute, no eternity, no impersonal consciouness, no cosmic > > consciousness, no eternal darkness and no eternal silence - just > > nothing. > > > > Werner > > > > Sounds about right. > > :-) > > toombaru > > Sounds absurd here....wonder why.. > -geo- because it has the sound of an idea of nothing. - d - Yes...the no-thing that I am....and they are ignoring me LOL LOL (you know this is a joke....but with a peace of truth in it...) -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090526-0, 26/05/2009 Tested on: 16/8/2009 17:01:43 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > There isn't any self to become anything or get into any state of > feeling, up or down. > > I've noticed how often you make comments about what you think it > believes. > > It is like you are trying to place yourself somewhere else, by > critiquing a self and what it believes. > > Like you want to be someplace with no self by critiquing what the > self is doing. > > And that will never work. > > Not in a million years. > > - D - Ahah... there's the rub. Not to mention the precise reason why Ramana talked so much of " The Self " , and Nisargadatta said " the way leads through yourself, beyond yourself " , and etc. The self is an avoidance of the suffering that it is. A splitting off in ten million different directions. An attempt to escape itself, to 'get out there'. All in vain. Hey, Toom -- " Go back the way you came " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I like what Dan says about 'imploding'. The self is 'out there' as the big, wide world that has a past and a future and that holds 'me' who has a personal past and future tied to that world. > > > > > > Or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know......you both like that idea. > > Whenever the self gets a glimpse of its own essential emptiness it takes that insight and adds it to is resume. > > There is no " the self " glimpsing anything, Toom. > > It seems to me that you're going 'round and 'round with this > concept. He talks also of a 'sense of self' appearing. Wonder what it's supposed to feel like. A tingling sensation in the elbow? Churning stomach? Spinning head? Walls turning blue, then green, then orange, then back to blue again?:-p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > There isn't any self to become anything or get into any state of > > feeling, up or down. > > > > I've noticed how often you make comments about what you think it > > believes. > > > > It is like you are trying to place yourself somewhere else, by > > critiquing a self and what it believes. > > > > Like you want to be someplace with no self by critiquing what the > > self is doing. > > > > And that will never work. > > > > Not in a million years. > > > > - D - > > Ahah... there's the rub. > > Not to mention the precise reason why Ramana talked so much of " The Self " , and Nisargadatta said " the way leads through yourself, beyond yourself " , and etc. > > The self is an avoidance of the suffering that it is. > > A splitting off in ten million different directions. > > An attempt to escape itself, to 'get out there'. > > All in vain. > > Hey, Toom -- " Go back the way you came " . Back to the present, which I never left. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > There isn't any self to become anything or get into any state of > > > feeling, up or down. > > > > > > I've noticed how often you make comments about what you think it > > > believes. > > > > > > It is like you are trying to place yourself somewhere else, by > > > critiquing a self and what it believes. > > > > > > Like you want to be someplace with no self by critiquing what the > > > self is doing. > > > > > > And that will never work. > > > > > > Not in a million years. > > > > > > - D - > > > > Ahah... there's the rub. > > > > Not to mention the precise reason why Ramana talked so much of " The Self " , and Nisargadatta said " the way leads through yourself, beyond yourself " , and etc. > > > > The self is an avoidance of the suffering that it is. > > > > A splitting off in ten million different directions. > > > > An attempt to escape itself, to 'get out there'. > > > > All in vain. > > > > Hey, Toom -- " Go back the way you came " . > > Back to the present, which I never left. > > - D - > Empty presence? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, August 17, 2009 1:17 PM Re: I Offer You Nothing Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > There isn't any self to become anything or get into any state of > > > feeling, up or down. > > > > > > I've noticed how often you make comments about what you think it > > > believes. > > > > > > It is like you are trying to place yourself somewhere else, by > > > critiquing a self and what it believes. > > > > > > Like you want to be someplace with no self by critiquing what the > > > self is doing. > > > > > > And that will never work. > > > > > > Not in a million years. > > > > > > - D - > > > > Ahah... there's the rub. > > > > Not to mention the precise reason why Ramana talked so much of " The > > Self " , and Nisargadatta said " the way leads through yourself, beyond > > yourself " , and etc. > > > > The self is an avoidance of the suffering that it is. > > > > A splitting off in ten million different directions. > > > > An attempt to escape itself, to 'get out there'. > > > > All in vain. > > > > Hey, Toom -- " Go back the way you came " . > > Back to the present, which I never left. > > - D - > Empty presence? toombaru Yes!! Now..why do you say it is consciousness?? Consc. is manifestation. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 17/8/2009 13:20:57 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 17, 2009 1:17 PM > Re: I Offer You Nothing > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > There isn't any self to become anything or get into any state of > > > > feeling, up or down. > > > > > > > > I've noticed how often you make comments about what you think it > > > > believes. > > > > > > > > It is like you are trying to place yourself somewhere else, by > > > > critiquing a self and what it believes. > > > > > > > > Like you want to be someplace with no self by critiquing what the > > > > self is doing. > > > > > > > > And that will never work. > > > > > > > > Not in a million years. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Ahah... there's the rub. > > > > > > Not to mention the precise reason why Ramana talked so much of " The > > > Self " , and Nisargadatta said " the way leads through yourself, beyond > > > yourself " , and etc. > > > > > > The self is an avoidance of the suffering that it is. > > > > > > A splitting off in ten million different directions. > > > > > > An attempt to escape itself, to 'get out there'. > > > > > > All in vain. > > > > > > Hey, Toom -- " Go back the way you came " . > > > > Back to the present, which I never left. > > > > - D - > > > > Empty presence? > > toombaru > > Yes!! > Now..why do you say it is consciousness?? Consc. is manifestation. > -geo- > > > > > > Then why do you have different words for them? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, August 17, 2009 2:06 PM Re: I Offer You Nothing Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 17, 2009 1:17 PM > Re: I Offer You Nothing > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > There isn't any self to become anything or get into any state of > > > > feeling, up or down. > > > > > > > > I've noticed how often you make comments about what you think it > > > > believes. > > > > > > > > It is like you are trying to place yourself somewhere else, by > > > > critiquing a self and what it believes. > > > > > > > > Like you want to be someplace with no self by critiquing what the > > > > self is doing. > > > > > > > > And that will never work. > > > > > > > > Not in a million years. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Ahah... there's the rub. > > > > > > Not to mention the precise reason why Ramana talked so much of " The > > > Self " , and Nisargadatta said " the way leads through yourself, beyond > > > yourself " , and etc. > > > > > > The self is an avoidance of the suffering that it is. > > > > > > A splitting off in ten million different directions. > > > > > > An attempt to escape itself, to 'get out there'. > > > > > > All in vain. > > > > > > Hey, Toom -- " Go back the way you came " . > > > > Back to the present, which I never left. > > > > - D - > > > > Empty presence? > > toombaru > > Yes!! > Now..why do you say it is consciousness?? Consc. is manifestation. > -geo- > > > > > > Then why do you have different words for them? toombaru Please clarify...which " them " ? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 17/8/2009 14:26:31 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Monday, August 17, 2009 2:30 PM Re: Re: I Offer You Nothing - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, August 17, 2009 2:06 PM Re: I Offer You Nothing Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 17, 2009 1:17 PM > Re: I Offer You Nothing > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > There isn't any self to become anything or get into any state of > > > > feeling, up or down. > > > > > > > > I've noticed how often you make comments about what you think it > > > > believes. > > > > > > > > It is like you are trying to place yourself somewhere else, by > > > > critiquing a self and what it believes. > > > > > > > > Like you want to be someplace with no self by critiquing what the > > > > self is doing. > > > > > > > > And that will never work. > > > > > > > > Not in a million years. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Ahah... there's the rub. > > > > > > Not to mention the precise reason why Ramana talked so much of " The > > > Self " , and Nisargadatta said " the way leads through yourself, beyond > > > yourself " , and etc. > > > > > > The self is an avoidance of the suffering that it is. > > > > > > A splitting off in ten million different directions. > > > > > > An attempt to escape itself, to 'get out there'. > > > > > > All in vain. > > > > > > Hey, Toom -- " Go back the way you came " . > > > > Back to the present, which I never left. > > > > - D - > > > > Empty presence? > > toombaru > > Yes!! > Now..why do you say it is consciousness?? Consc. is manifestation. > -geo- > > > > > > Then why do you have different words for them? toombaru Please clarify...which " them " ? I am trying to figure whether we are talking of the same thing with different....er....names....or....contexts....i dont know. You see toomba...the world, or consc.- in my interpretation - does not contemplate empty presence. But this name sounds very suitable here. So I ask myself...could it be that toomba and geo are talking of the same thing but perhaps comming from a different context? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 17/8/2009 14:26:31 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 17/8/2009 14:33:40 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > There isn't any self to become anything or get into any state of > > > > feeling, up or down. > > > > > > > > I've noticed how often you make comments about what you think it > > > > believes. > > > > > > > > It is like you are trying to place yourself somewhere else, by > > > > critiquing a self and what it believes. > > > > > > > > Like you want to be someplace with no self by critiquing what the > > > > self is doing. > > > > > > > > And that will never work. > > > > > > > > Not in a million years. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Ahah... there's the rub. > > > > > > Not to mention the precise reason why Ramana talked so much of " The Self " , and Nisargadatta said " the way leads through yourself, beyond yourself " , and etc. > > > > > > The self is an avoidance of the suffering that it is. > > > > > > A splitting off in ten million different directions. > > > > > > An attempt to escape itself, to 'get out there'. > > > > > > All in vain. > > > > > > Hey, Toom -- " Go back the way you came " . > > > > Back to the present, which I never left. > > > > - D - > > > > > > > Empty presence? > > > > toombaru Okay. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 17, 2009 2:06 PM > Re: I Offer You Nothing > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, August 17, 2009 1:17 PM > > Re: I Offer You Nothing > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any self to become anything or get into any state of > > > > > feeling, up or down. > > > > > > > > > > I've noticed how often you make comments about what you think it > > > > > believes. > > > > > > > > > > It is like you are trying to place yourself somewhere else, by > > > > > critiquing a self and what it believes. > > > > > > > > > > Like you want to be someplace with no self by critiquing what the > > > > > self is doing. > > > > > > > > > > And that will never work. > > > > > > > > > > Not in a million years. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > Ahah... there's the rub. > > > > > > > > Not to mention the precise reason why Ramana talked so much of " The > > > > Self " , and Nisargadatta said " the way leads through yourself, beyond > > > > yourself " , and etc. > > > > > > > > The self is an avoidance of the suffering that it is. > > > > > > > > A splitting off in ten million different directions. > > > > > > > > An attempt to escape itself, to 'get out there'. > > > > > > > > All in vain. > > > > > > > > Hey, Toom -- " Go back the way you came " . > > > > > > Back to the present, which I never left. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > Empty presence? > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes!! > > Now..why do you say it is consciousness?? Consc. is manifestation. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then why do you have different words for them? > > toombaru > > Please clarify...which " them " ? > -geo- > > > > > There are those who say that consciousness and manifestation are the same thing. They are coming from the belief structure of assumed duality.....in which they exist as the assumed center of perception....... and think that by combining two of their concepts......that the nature of reality is perceived. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, August 17, 2009 6:29 PM Re: I Offer You Nothing Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 17, 2009 2:06 PM > Re: I Offer You Nothing > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, August 17, 2009 1:17 PM > > Re: I Offer You Nothing > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any self to become anything or get into any state of > > > > > feeling, up or down. > > > > > > > > > > I've noticed how often you make comments about what you think it > > > > > believes. > > > > > > > > > > It is like you are trying to place yourself somewhere else, by > > > > > critiquing a self and what it believes. > > > > > > > > > > Like you want to be someplace with no self by critiquing what the > > > > > self is doing. > > > > > > > > > > And that will never work. > > > > > > > > > > Not in a million years. > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > Ahah... there's the rub. > > > > > > > > Not to mention the precise reason why Ramana talked so much of " The > > > > Self " , and Nisargadatta said " the way leads through yourself, beyond > > > > yourself " , and etc. > > > > > > > > The self is an avoidance of the suffering that it is. > > > > > > > > A splitting off in ten million different directions. > > > > > > > > An attempt to escape itself, to 'get out there'. > > > > > > > > All in vain. > > > > > > > > Hey, Toom -- " Go back the way you came " . > > > > > > Back to the present, which I never left. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > Empty presence? > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes!! > > Now..why do you say it is consciousness?? Consc. is manifestation. > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then why do you have different words for them? > > toombaru > > Please clarify...which " them " ? > -geo- > > > > > There are those who say that consciousness and manifestation are the same thing. They are coming from the belief structure of assumed duality.....in which they exist as the assumed center of perception....... and think that by combining two of their concepts......that the nature of reality is perceived. toombaru You find exemples of duality any and everywhere. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 17/8/2009 18:51:06 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Monday, August 17, 2009 6:29 PM > Re: I Offer You Nothing > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, August 17, 2009 2:06 PM > > Re: I Offer You Nothing > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, August 17, 2009 1:17 PM > > > Re: I Offer You Nothing > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any self to become anything or get into any state of > > > > > > feeling, up or down. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've noticed how often you make comments about what you think it > > > > > > believes. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is like you are trying to place yourself somewhere else, by > > > > > > critiquing a self and what it believes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Like you want to be someplace with no self by critiquing what the > > > > > > self is doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > And that will never work. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not in a million years. > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > Ahah... there's the rub. > > > > > > > > > > Not to mention the precise reason why Ramana talked so much of " The > > > > > Self " , and Nisargadatta said " the way leads through yourself, beyond > > > > > yourself " , and etc. > > > > > > > > > > The self is an avoidance of the suffering that it is. > > > > > > > > > > A splitting off in ten million different directions. > > > > > > > > > > An attempt to escape itself, to 'get out there'. > > > > > > > > > > All in vain. > > > > > > > > > > Hey, Toom -- " Go back the way you came " . > > > > > > > > Back to the present, which I never left. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > Empty presence? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Yes!! > > > Now..why do you say it is consciousness?? Consc. is manifestation. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then why do you have different words for them? > > > > toombaru > > > > Please clarify...which " them " ? > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > There are those who say that consciousness and manifestation are the same > thing. > > They are coming from the belief structure of assumed duality.....in which > they exist as the assumed center of perception....... and think that by > combining two of their concepts......that the nature of reality is > perceived. > > toombaru > > You find exemples of duality any and everywhere. > -geo- > > > > > That is what the I am is-does. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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