Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Conceptual time, distance separation... are sorrow, are suffering. One projects a " world out there " , in order to contain me. But this world is based on memory, is the past. And the past isn't there. One realizes that anything they can imagine as being outside their window, or even in the next room, is the past, is remembered, thus is memory. One ceases to project what is imagined to be 'outside awareness'. Out there back in the past, or out there up ahead in the future, or out there separation-wise. The dream ends. The self ends. The perceiver is the perceived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Conceptual time, distance separation... are sorrow, are suffering. > > One projects a " world out there " , in order to contain me. > > But this world is based on memory, is the past. > > And the past isn't there. > > One realizes that anything they can imagine as being outside their window, or even in the next room, is the past, is remembered, thus is memory. > > One ceases to project what is imagined to be 'outside awareness'. Out there back in the past, or out there up ahead in the future, or out there separation-wise. > > The dream ends. The self ends. > > The perceiver is the perceived. in this your case....would say... the dreamer is the dreamed. Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Conceptual time, distance separation... are sorrow, are suffering. > > One projects a " world out there " , in order to contain me. > > But this world is based on memory, is the past. > > And the past isn't there. > > One realizes that anything they can imagine as being outside their window, or even in the next room, is the past, is remembered, thus is memory. > > One ceases to project what is imagined to be 'outside awareness'. Out there back in the past, or out there up ahead in the future, or out there separation-wise. > > The dream ends. The self ends. > > The perceiver is the perceived. Well-said. You seem to me to speak clearly from what is. Yet this seeming is past, never happened. And that is the joy of it. To Toom, our conversations seem to represent delusion. To Marc, something to make fun of. And that also is past. I enjoy that, too, but in a different way. And my enjoyment also is past. As you say, there is nowhere to place awareness in a past, and therefore no future to it. The future is just an imaged projection of the past. This " is " of one's awareness is timeless, nondurational. Nothing happening or failing to occur. Speaking of it is fun, watching the words arise, seeing the fingers type without volition. All wonderful. No volition anywhere to be found. -- D -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Conceptual time, distance separation... are sorrow, are suffering. > > > > One projects a " world out there " , in order to contain me. > > > > But this world is based on memory, is the past. > > > > And the past isn't there. > > > > One realizes that anything they can imagine as being outside their window, or even in the next room, is the past, is remembered, thus is memory. > > > > One ceases to project what is imagined to be 'outside awareness'. Out there back in the past, or out there up ahead in the future, or out there separation-wise. > > > > The dream ends. The self ends. > > > > The perceiver is the perceived. > > > Well-said. > > You seem to me to speak clearly from what is. > > Yet this seeming is past, never happened. > > > And that is the joy of it. > > > To Toom, our conversations seem to represent delusion. Toom seems here to like certain concepts, and reject others. That, to me, is the sign of a belief system. A belief system that isn't, because the likes and dislikes are constantly changing, based on what maintains the separate self. I am the belief system attempted to be maintained. He seems to be imaginarily grouping us into two separate beings, with him as a third, with people imaginarily entering and leaving these groupings. Another belief system, also based on 'me'. > To Marc, something to make fun of. > > > And that also is past. > > > I enjoy that, too, but in a different way. It's all interesting... whatever arises here is of interest, couldn't be any different than it is. > And my enjoyment also is past. > > > As you say, there is nowhere to place awareness in a past, and > therefore no future to it. > > The future is just an imaged projection of the past. > > > > This " is " of one's awareness is timeless, nondurational. Yup... never coming into existence, thus never going out of existence. Nothing to lose, and nothing to gain... the security of Nothing ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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