Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Geovani " <inandor wrote: > > Yesterday I was sitting in the upstairs room looking out at the rain and a question came to me. What is the difference, if any, and how to convey that difference, between the two statements bellow. > > --All there is is consciousness. > > ...and > > --All there is is consciousness, and " that " which is beyond it. > > One could say that " non-duality " have two different meanings/connotations/whatever... depending on which of those two " statements " are groked as fact. > I know the first impulse will be to try to defend one or other interpretation, but that is not the proposal. The question is more like...how to differentiate them? > -geo- > Geo, The 'beyond' is just an idea. Why are we so much interested in the 'beyond' ? Isn't it because life is not that satisfying, it is boring or even worse, painful ? Therefore the longing for the beyond is the escape from one's shoddy, boring and painful life, isn't it ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Geo, > > The 'beyond' is just an idea. > > Why are we so much interested in the 'beyond' ? Isn't it because life is not that satisfying, it is boring or even worse, painful ? > > Therefore the longing for the beyond is the escape from one's shoddy, boring and painful life, isn't it ? > > Werner Yes. There isn't any beyond. There only being the experience as experienced. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:57 PM Re: ::):::):::)..(:::(:::(::: Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Geo, > > The 'beyond' is just an idea. > > Why are we so much interested in the 'beyond' ? Isn't it because life is > not that satisfying, it is boring or even worse, painful ? > > Therefore the longing for the beyond is the escape from one's shoddy, > boring and painful life, isn't it ? > > Werner Yes. There isn't any beyond. There only being the experience as experienced. - D - Beyond what? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:57 PM > Re: ::):::):::)..(:::(:::(::: > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > Geo, > > > > The 'beyond' is just an idea. > > > > Why are we so much interested in the 'beyond' ? Isn't it because life is > > not that satisfying, it is boring or even worse, painful ? > > > > Therefore the longing for the beyond is the escape from one's shoddy, > > boring and painful life, isn't it ? > > > > Werner > > Yes. > > There isn't any beyond. > > There only being the experience as experienced. > > - D - > > Beyond what? > -geo- Now you're talkin'! - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > Geo, > > > > The 'beyond' is just an idea. > > > > Why are we so much interested in the 'beyond' ? Isn't it because life is not that satisfying, it is boring or even worse, painful ? > > > > Therefore the longing for the beyond is the escape from one's shoddy, boring and painful life, isn't it ? > > > > Werner > > Yes. > > There isn't any beyond. > > There only being the experience as experienced.e Dan, Allow me to ask you because I have realized that dozends of times with you: What is forcing you always to add something more to what someone else has posted and which already is finsied and fine as it was posted ? Similare if someone has baked something and some strange force lets you add cream or mustard or whatever else. Why can't you accept any post as finished and closed ? Will it cause you feeling insufficient if you don't partake ? Werner > > > - D - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > The 'beyond' is just an idea. > > > > > > Why are we so much interested in the 'beyond' ? Isn't it because life is not that satisfying, it is boring or even worse, painful ? > > > > > > Therefore the longing for the beyond is the escape from one's shoddy, boring and painful life, isn't it ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > Yes. > > > > There isn't any beyond. > > > > There only being the experience as experienced.e > > > Dan, > > Allow me to ask you because I have realized that dozends of times with you: > > What is forcing you always to add something more to what someone else has posted and which already is finsied and fine as it was posted ? > > Similare if someone has baked something and some strange force lets you add cream or mustard or whatever else. > > Why can't you accept any post as finished and closed ? Will it cause you feeling insufficient if you don't partake ? > > Werner P: Haha! Now you stuck your finger in the motor that makes Dan purr. Careful! You might cause a short and Dan might type and press send constantly. Or is that happening already? > > > > > > > > - D - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > The 'beyond' is just an idea. > > > > > > Why are we so much interested in the 'beyond' ? Isn't it because life is not that satisfying, it is boring or even worse, painful ? > > > > > > Therefore the longing for the beyond is the escape from one's shoddy, boring and painful life, isn't it ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > Yes. > > > > There isn't any beyond. > > > > There only being the experience as experienced.e > > > Dan, > > Allow me to ask you because I have realized that dozends of times with you: > > What is forcing you always to add something more to what someone else has posted and which already is finsied and fine as it was posted ? Just having a dialogue. Respond, as you just did, or don't. Read the message, or don't read it. > Similare if someone has baked something and some strange force lets you add cream or mustard or whatever else. If that's your projection of the situation, that is how it is for you. Good luck with it. > Why can't you accept any post as finished and closed ? Each post is complete as it is. Seems like you don't see that. That is your business. > Will it cause you feeling insufficient if you don't partake ? Maybe in your imagination, that's what's going on. As for me, I'm enjoying myself. Thanks for participating. Enjoying your presence, - Dan - P.S. This message is complete. No need to respond to it. If you respond to it, it is still equally complete. > Werner > > > > > > > > - D - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Similare if someone has baked something and some strange force > lets you add cream or mustard or whatever else. > > If that's your projection of the situation, that is how it is for you. > > Good luck with it. Fwiw, I think what he may be seeing is a lack of a ridigity in posting structure that wants " two separate beings " to be there, in some sort of postural stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > > > The 'beyond' is just an idea. > > > > > > > > Why are we so much interested in the 'beyond' ? Isn't it because life is not that satisfying, it is boring or even worse, painful ? > > > > > > > > Therefore the longing for the beyond is the escape from one's shoddy, boring and painful life, isn't it ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > There isn't any beyond. > > > > > > There only being the experience as experienced.e > > > > > > Dan, > > > > Allow me to ask you because I have realized that dozends of times with you: > > > > What is forcing you always to add something more to what someone else has posted and which already is finsied and fine as it was posted ? > > > > Similare if someone has baked something and some strange force lets you add cream or mustard or whatever else. > > > > Why can't you accept any post as finished and closed ? Will it cause you feeling insufficient if you don't partake ? > > > > Werner > > P: Haha! Now you stuck your finger in the motor > that makes Dan purr. Careful! You might cause a short > and Dan might type and press send constantly. Or is > that happening already? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - Hi Pete - Yes, I've posted a lot of posts, acknowledged. The motor that runs my posting is gratitude, love, and exuberance. I may be accused of overexhuberance, I'm sure. And I won't argue against that - mea culpa. I've never claimed to be above ego, whatever that is supposed to mean. I've never said I don't have human feelings such as pride or experience enjoyment of this kind of communicating. If someone doesn't like what I'm saying or how I'm responding, please know I am fine if you stop reading me, or delete on sight, or whatever works. If you need to tell me what is off base with me or what flaws I have, I'll accept that as the response you felt you needed to make at that time. I certainly know that what I say isn't going to work for everybody, and maybe even not for a lot of folks. It is just what I offer to cyberspace, not knowing or expecting what will be received in return, for the joy of the dialogue, enjoyment of this kind of minimalistic medium, and love of the communion, which may or may not occur. - Dan - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > > > > > The 'beyond' is just an idea. > > > > > > > > > > Why are we so much interested in the 'beyond' ? Isn't it because life is not that satisfying, it is boring or even worse, painful ? > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the longing for the beyond is the escape from one's shoddy, boring and painful life, isn't it ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > There isn't any beyond. > > > > > > > > There only being the experience as experienced.e > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > Allow me to ask you because I have realized that dozends of times with you: > > > > > > What is forcing you always to add something more to what someone else has posted and which already is finsied and fine as it was posted ? > > > > > > Similare if someone has baked something and some strange force lets you add cream or mustard or whatever else. > > > > > > Why can't you accept any post as finished and closed ? Will it cause you feeling insufficient if you don't partake ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > P: Haha! Now you stuck your finger in the motor > > that makes Dan purr. Careful! You might cause a short > > and Dan might type and press send constantly. Or is > > that happening already? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > Hi Pete - > > Yes, I've posted a lot of posts, acknowledged. > > The motor that runs my posting is gratitude, love, and exuberance. I may be accused of overexhuberance, I'm sure. And I won't argue against that - mea culpa. > > I've never claimed to be above ego, whatever that is supposed to mean. I've never said I don't have human feelings such as pride or experience enjoyment of this kind of communicating. > > If someone doesn't like what I'm saying or how I'm responding, please know I am fine if you stop reading me, or delete on sight, or whatever works. > > If you need to tell me what is off base with me or what flaws I have, I'll accept that as the response you felt you needed to make at that time. > > I certainly know that what I say isn't going to work for everybody, and maybe even not for a lot of folks. > > It is just what I offer to cyberspace, not knowing or expecting what will be received in return, for the joy of the dialogue, enjoyment of this kind of minimalistic medium, and love of the communion, which may or may not occur. > > - Dan - > In this short post to Pete there were 13 " I " s, Dan. Interesting, isn't it ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > > > > > The 'beyond' is just an idea. > > > > > > > > > > Why are we so much interested in the 'beyond' ? Isn't it because life is not that satisfying, it is boring or even worse, painful ? > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the longing for the beyond is the escape from one's shoddy, boring and painful life, isn't it ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > There isn't any beyond. > > > > > > > > There only being the experience as experienced.e > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > Allow me to ask you because I have realized that dozends of times with you: > > > > > > What is forcing you always to add something more to what someone else has posted and which already is finsied and fine as it was posted ? > > > > > > Similare if someone has baked something and some strange force lets you add cream or mustard or whatever else. > > > > > > Why can't you accept any post as finished and closed ? Will it cause you feeling insufficient if you don't partake ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > P: Haha! Now you stuck your finger in the motor > > that makes Dan purr. Careful! You might cause a short > > and Dan might type and press send constantly. Or is > > that happening already? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > Hi Pete - > > Yes, I've posted a lot of posts, acknowledged. > > The motor that runs my posting is gratitude, love, and exuberance. I may be accused of overexhuberance, I'm sure. And I won't argue against that - mea culpa. -The motor of whatever actions of whatever imaginary being....Is this their imaginary existence.... Many funny things, emotions, concepts are constantly rising from such fantastic beings. Many fruits of life are gained...or not gained...by all this actions. There are even fools....who imagine to distribute " fruits of/from life " to " others " ..... It's as ridiculous as absurd....and funny too.....to forget that All This....is done by the imagination to be this & that. > > I've never claimed to be above ego, whatever that is supposed to mean. I've never said I don't have human feelings such as pride or experience enjoyment of this kind of communicating. -how could you, true... > > If someone doesn't like what I'm saying or how I'm responding, please know I am fine if you stop reading me, or delete on sight, or whatever works. -there isn't anybody for real who could do that...for you. > > If you need to tell me what is off base with me or what flaws I have, I'll accept that as the response you felt you needed to make at that time. -yes, you can't escape yourself...true.... > > I certainly know that what I say isn't going to work for everybody, and maybe even not for a lot of folks. -it work mainly...and exclusively for " you " ....and your little imaginary world..... > > It is just what I offer to cyberspace, not knowing or expecting what will be received in return, for the joy of the dialogue, enjoyment of this kind of minimalistic medium, and love of the communion, which may or may not occur. -ohhh yes...again this distribution of fruits, love and...and.... > > - Dan - -thanks for your funny words, Dan Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > > > > > The 'beyond' is just an idea. > > > > > > > > > > Why are we so much interested in the 'beyond' ? Isn't it because life is not that satisfying, it is boring or even worse, painful ? > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the longing for the beyond is the escape from one's shoddy, boring and painful life, isn't it ? > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > There isn't any beyond. > > > > > > > > There only being the experience as experienced.e > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > Allow me to ask you because I have realized that dozends of times with you: > > > > > > What is forcing you always to add something more to what someone else has posted and which already is finsied and fine as it was posted ? > > > > > > Similare if someone has baked something and some strange force lets you add cream or mustard or whatever else. > > > > > > Why can't you accept any post as finished and closed ? Will it cause you feeling insufficient if you don't partake ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > P: Haha! Now you stuck your finger in the motor > > that makes Dan purr. Careful! You might cause a short > > and Dan might type and press send constantly. Or is > > that happening already? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > Hi Pete - > > Yes, I've posted a lot of posts, acknowledged. > > The motor that runs my posting is gratitude, love, and exuberance. I may be accused of overexhuberance, I'm sure. And I won't argue against that - mea culpa. > > I've never claimed to be above ego, whatever that is supposed to mean. I've never said I don't have human feelings such as pride or experience enjoyment of this kind of communicating. > > If someone doesn't like what I'm saying or how I'm responding, please know I am fine if you stop reading me, or delete on sight, or whatever works. > > If you need to tell me what is off base with me or what flaws I have, I'll accept that as the response you felt you needed to make at that time. > > I certainly know that what I say isn't going to work for everybody, and maybe even not for a lot of folks. > > It is just what I offer to cyberspace, not knowing or expecting what will be received in return, for the joy of the dialogue, enjoyment of this kind of minimalistic medium, and love of the communion, which may or may not occur. > > - Dan - P: Hey, I was just poking you in the ribs. I do that from time to time to posters when a behavior seems to be on autopilot, and posting the same stuff 30 plus times a day, certainly looks like an automatic response prompted not by love and compassion, but by need, much like the need to smoke. Not that I think having a need is shameful, we all have needs. If overposting gets you through your day, hey, whatever works. Go at it. It doesn't bother me. I know how to delete, and read about one post in ten from people who overpost. I read all of Werner's and Edg posts because they're interesting and rare. Quantity always devalues anything. As far as ego is concerned, I hope that you mean that you still have mental self-protection habits. We all do. I do too, but they are not in control of my actions or reactions. Feelings, we all have, but I hope yours don't get hurt easily, especially over words. Well, you know I love to exchange ideas with you. We go a long way back, and I consider you one of the old great posters up there with Greg and Sandeep. So what if you loose sight of when to leave well enough alone? So what if your posting gets a little automatic? What is that among friends? Love, Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'beyond' is just an idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are we so much interested in the 'beyond' ? Isn't it because life is not that satisfying, it is boring or even worse, painful ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the longing for the beyond is the escape from one's shoddy, boring and painful life, isn't it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any beyond. > > > > > > > > > > There only being the experience as experienced.e > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > Allow me to ask you because I have realized that dozends of times with you: > > > > > > > > What is forcing you always to add something more to what someone else has posted and which already is finsied and fine as it was posted ? > > > > > > > > Similare if someone has baked something and some strange force lets you add cream or mustard or whatever else. > > > > > > > > Why can't you accept any post as finished and closed ? Will it cause you feeling insufficient if you don't partake ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > P: Haha! Now you stuck your finger in the motor > > > that makes Dan purr. Careful! You might cause a short > > > and Dan might type and press send constantly. Or is > > > that happening already? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > Hi Pete - > > > > Yes, I've posted a lot of posts, acknowledged. > > > > The motor that runs my posting is gratitude, love, and exuberance. I may be accused of overexhuberance, I'm sure. And I won't argue against that - mea culpa. > > > > I've never claimed to be above ego, whatever that is supposed to mean. I've never said I don't have human feelings such as pride or experience enjoyment of this kind of communicating. > > > > If someone doesn't like what I'm saying or how I'm responding, please know I am fine if you stop reading me, or delete on sight, or whatever works. > > > > If you need to tell me what is off base with me or what flaws I have, I'll accept that as the response you felt you needed to make at that time. > > > > I certainly know that what I say isn't going to work for everybody, and maybe even not for a lot of folks. > > > > It is just what I offer to cyberspace, not knowing or expecting what will be received in return, for the joy of the dialogue, enjoyment of this kind of minimalistic medium, and love of the communion, which may or may not occur. > > > > - Dan - > > > > > In this short post to Pete there were 13 " I " s, Dan. > > Interesting, isn't it ? > > Werner I'm speaking for myself, not someone else, Werner. It's natural enough to use the word " I " in conventional speech. There is nothing I encounter that is not myself. But, I don't want to use " I " all the time, so sometimes I throw in one or two other words. Check out Walt Whitman's " Song of Myself, " it may help you understand. -- Dan -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'beyond' is just an idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are we so much interested in the 'beyond' ? Isn't it because life is not that satisfying, it is boring or even worse, painful ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the longing for the beyond is the escape from one's shoddy, boring and painful life, isn't it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any beyond. > > > > > > > > > > There only being the experience as experienced.e > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > Allow me to ask you because I have realized that dozends of times with you: > > > > > > > > What is forcing you always to add something more to what someone else has posted and which already is finsied and fine as it was posted ? > > > > > > > > Similare if someone has baked something and some strange force lets you add cream or mustard or whatever else. > > > > > > > > Why can't you accept any post as finished and closed ? Will it cause you feeling insufficient if you don't partake ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > P: Haha! Now you stuck your finger in the motor > > > that makes Dan purr. Careful! You might cause a short > > > and Dan might type and press send constantly. Or is > > > that happening already? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > Hi Pete - > > > > Yes, I've posted a lot of posts, acknowledged. > > > > The motor that runs my posting is gratitude, love, and exuberance. I may be accused of overexhuberance, I'm sure. And I won't argue against that - mea culpa. > > > > -The motor of whatever actions of whatever imaginary being....Is this their imaginary existence.... > Many funny things, emotions, concepts are constantly rising from such fantastic beings. > Many fruits of life are gained...or not gained...by all this actions. > > There are even fools....who imagine to distribute " fruits of/from life " to " others " ..... > > It's as ridiculous as absurd....and funny too.....to forget that All This....is done by the imagination to be this & that. > > > > > > > I've never claimed to be above ego, whatever that is supposed to mean. I've never said I don't have human feelings such as pride or experience enjoyment of this kind of communicating. > > > > -how could you, true... > > > > > > If someone doesn't like what I'm saying or how I'm responding, please know I am fine if you stop reading me, or delete on sight, or whatever works. > > > > -there isn't anybody for real who could do that...for you. > > > > > > If you need to tell me what is off base with me or what flaws I have, I'll accept that as the response you felt you needed to make at that time. > > > > -yes, you can't escape yourself...true.... > > > > > > I certainly know that what I say isn't going to work for everybody, and maybe even not for a lot of folks. > > > > -it work mainly...and exclusively for " you " ....and your little imaginary world..... > > > > > > It is just what I offer to cyberspace, not knowing or expecting what will be received in return, for the joy of the dialogue, enjoyment of this kind of minimalistic medium, and love of the communion, which may or may not occur. > > > -ohhh yes...again this distribution of fruits, love and...and.... > > > > > > - Dan - > > > -thanks for your funny words, Dan > > > Marc You're welcome, Marc. My pleasure ... - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > I'm speaking for myself, not someone else, Werner. > > It's natural enough to use the word " I " in conventional speech. > > There is nothing I encounter that is not myself. This seems like a very tough concept for the hardcore " there is no me " crowd to 'get'... that, being no other, there is no self-center either. Could be cuz the majority of them love telling others how they don't exist, I dunno ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geo, > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'beyond' is just an idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are we so much interested in the 'beyond' ? Isn't it because life is not that satisfying, it is boring or even worse, painful ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the longing for the beyond is the escape from one's shoddy, boring and painful life, isn't it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any beyond. > > > > > > > > > > There only being the experience as experienced.e > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > > > Allow me to ask you because I have realized that dozends of times with you: > > > > > > > > What is forcing you always to add something more to what someone else has posted and which already is finsied and fine as it was posted ? > > > > > > > > Similare if someone has baked something and some strange force lets you add cream or mustard or whatever else. > > > > > > > > Why can't you accept any post as finished and closed ? Will it cause you feeling insufficient if you don't partake ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > P: Haha! Now you stuck your finger in the motor > > > that makes Dan purr. Careful! You might cause a short > > > and Dan might type and press send constantly. Or is > > > that happening already? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > Hi Pete - > > > > Yes, I've posted a lot of posts, acknowledged. > > > > The motor that runs my posting is gratitude, love, and exuberance. I may be accused of overexhuberance, I'm sure. And I won't argue against that - mea culpa. > > > > I've never claimed to be above ego, whatever that is supposed to mean. I've never said I don't have human feelings such as pride or experience enjoyment of this kind of communicating. > > > > If someone doesn't like what I'm saying or how I'm responding, please know I am fine if you stop reading me, or delete on sight, or whatever works. > > > > If you need to tell me what is off base with me or what flaws I have, I'll accept that as the response you felt you needed to make at that time. > > > > I certainly know that what I say isn't going to work for everybody, and maybe even not for a lot of folks. > > > > It is just what I offer to cyberspace, not knowing or expecting what will be received in return, for the joy of the dialogue, enjoyment of this kind of minimalistic medium, and love of the communion, which may or may not occur. > > > > - Dan - > > P: Hey, I was just poking you in the ribs. > I do that from time to time to posters when a > behavior seems to be on autopilot, and > posting the same stuff 30 plus times > a day, certainly looks like an automatic > response prompted not by love and compassion, > but by need, much like the need to smoke. > > Not that I think having a need is shameful, > we all have needs. If overposting gets you > through your day, hey, whatever works. Go > at it. It doesn't bother me. I know how to > delete, and read about one post in ten from > people who overpost. I read all of Werner's > and Edg posts because they're interesting and > rare. Quantity always devalues anything. > > As far as ego is concerned, I hope that you > mean that you still have mental self-protection > habits. We all do. I do too, but they are not > in control of my actions or reactions. Feelings, > we all have, but I hope yours don't get hurt > easily, especially over words. > > Well, you know I love to exchange ideas with > you. We go a long way back, and I consider you > one of the old great posters up there with Greg > and Sandeep. So what if you loose sight of when > to leave well enough alone? So what if your > posting gets a little automatic? What is that > among friends? > > Love, > > Pete Hey Pete - Please feel free to devalue and not read my posts. The quantity can only be measured by attributing an author and concluding there are too many posts from that separable author, depending on whatever number the one who counts deems to be " too much. " But, for anyone who finds that posts with the author's name " Dan " attached have reached that limit -- if that is the case, please start chucking them all, if that suits you. Who knows though? Maybe someone else just started reading what " Dan " said for the first time. It all depends on who is doing the counting, and when the counting started. From my perspective, I'm enjoying dialogue in and through awareness. So, properly speaking, it isn't a dialogue. It takes the image of dialogue due to conventions of language use. It is more of an " arising " or a " movement " ... a movement arising, involving apparently disparate people (when they are imaged). There isn't any counting going on, on my end. When I'm not posting anything, the dialogue that isn't two (that is, the movement which communicates being) is ongoing. It's nonverbal. It a nonspeaking disclosure of being. In Tibet, they call it " the display. " The display never ceases. It isn't divided into " me " and " you. " I'm fine with judgments others make about me. Because I know at what those judgments are aimed. What is, is never not changing. The awareness that is the changingness, eternally is. Judgments can't be aimed at what is, it's impossible. Judgments always are aimed at, and about " the past. " What is, never has had any judgment passed on it. But you can judge Dan, the signature on this post, as much as you'd like, or as little as you like. I'm glad for the sharing of love you express in your post. I'm happy about what we've shared through these dialogues, and I love you, too. In the end, it's the " love " that counts. Not the emotional experience, not the thought. The actuality that is the love. That which involves no division, no separation. Not the words shared about it. Not any pontificating about it. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 - > > > > P: Hey, I was just poking you in the ribs. > > I do that from time to time to posters when a > > behavior seems to be on autopilot, and > > posting the same stuff 30 plus times > > a day, certainly looks like an automatic > > response prompted not by love and compassion, > > but by need, much like the need to smoke. > > > > Not that I think having a need is shameful, > > we all have needs. If overposting gets you > > through your day, hey, whatever works. Go > > at it. It doesn't bother me. I know how to > > delete, and read about one post in ten from > > people who overpost. I read all of Werner's > > and Edg posts because they're interesting and > > rare. Quantity always devalues anything. > > > > As far as ego is concerned, I hope that you > > mean that you still have mental self-protection > > habits. We all do. I do too, but they are not > > in control of my actions or reactions. Feelings, > > we all have, but I hope yours don't get hurt > > easily, especially over words. > > > > Well, you know I love to exchange ideas with > > you. We go a long way back, and I consider you > > one of the old great posters up there with Greg > > and Sandeep. So what if you loose sight of when > > to leave well enough alone? So what if your > > posting gets a little automatic? What is that > > among friends? > > > > Love, > > > > Pete > > >D: Hey Pete - > > Please feel free to devalue and not read my posts. > > The quantity can only be measured by attributing an author and concluding there are too many posts from that separable author, depending on whatever number the one who counts deems to be " too much. " > > > > > There isn't any counting going on, on my end. > > > When I'm not posting anything, the dialogue that isn't two (that is, the movement which communicates being) is ongoing. > > > > > It isn't divided into " me " and " you. " > > > > I'm fine with judgments others make about me. > > > Because I know at what those judgments are aimed. > > > What is, is never not changing. P: I'm familiar with the nondual rationalizations of overposters like you and Tim. No overposter ever admits the need to overpost. It's OK. You might as well say the Devil makes you do it. Carry on! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > - > > > > > > P: Hey, I was just poking you in the ribs. > > > I do that from time to time to posters when a > > > behavior seems to be on autopilot, and > > > posting the same stuff 30 plus times > > > a day, certainly looks like an automatic > > > response prompted not by love and compassion, > > > but by need, much like the need to smoke. > > > > > > Not that I think having a need is shameful, > > > we all have needs. If overposting gets you > > > through your day, hey, whatever works. Go > > > at it. It doesn't bother me. I know how to > > > delete, and read about one post in ten from > > > people who overpost. I read all of Werner's > > > and Edg posts because they're interesting and > > > rare. Quantity always devalues anything. > > > > > > As far as ego is concerned, I hope that you > > > mean that you still have mental self-protection > > > habits. We all do. I do too, but they are not > > > in control of my actions or reactions. Feelings, > > > we all have, but I hope yours don't get hurt > > > easily, especially over words. > > > > > > Well, you know I love to exchange ideas with > > > you. We go a long way back, and I consider you > > > one of the old great posters up there with Greg > > > and Sandeep. So what if you loose sight of when > > > to leave well enough alone? So what if your > > > posting gets a little automatic? What is that > > > among friends? > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Pete > > > > > >D: Hey Pete - > > > > Please feel free to devalue and not read my posts. > > > > The quantity can only be measured by attributing an author and concluding there are too many posts from that separable author, depending on whatever number the one who counts deems to be " too much. " > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any counting going on, on my end. > > > > > > When I'm not posting anything, the dialogue that isn't two (that is, the movement which communicates being) is ongoing. > > > > > > > > > > It isn't divided into " me " and " you. " > > > > > > > > I'm fine with judgments others make about me. > > > > > > Because I know at what those judgments are aimed. > > > > > > What is, is never not changing. > > P: I'm familiar with the nondual rationalizations > of overposters like you and Tim. No overposter > ever admits the need to overpost. It's OK. You > might as well say the Devil makes you do it. > > Carry on! D: Cut the malarkey, Pete. Of course, I'll carry on. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 > > > > P: I'm familiar with the nondual rationalizations > > of overposters like you and Tim. No overposter > > ever admits the need to overpost. It's OK. You > > might as well say the Devil makes you do it. > > > > Carry on! > > D: Cut the malarkey, Pete. > > Of course, I'll carry on. > > - D - P: Blarney and craic, eh? You Jewish laddies! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > - > > > > > > P: Hey, I was just poking you in the ribs. > > > I do that from time to time to posters when a > > > behavior seems to be on autopilot, and > > > posting the same stuff 30 plus times > > > a day, certainly looks like an automatic > > > response prompted not by love and compassion, > > > but by need, much like the need to smoke. > > > > > > Not that I think having a need is shameful, > > > we all have needs. If overposting gets you > > > through your day, hey, whatever works. Go > > > at it. It doesn't bother me. I know how to > > > delete, and read about one post in ten from > > > people who overpost. I read all of Werner's > > > and Edg posts because they're interesting and > > > rare. Quantity always devalues anything. > > > > > > As far as ego is concerned, I hope that you > > > mean that you still have mental self-protection > > > habits. We all do. I do too, but they are not > > > in control of my actions or reactions. Feelings, > > > we all have, but I hope yours don't get hurt > > > easily, especially over words. > > > > > > Well, you know I love to exchange ideas with > > > you. We go a long way back, and I consider you > > > one of the old great posters up there with Greg > > > and Sandeep. So what if you loose sight of when > > > to leave well enough alone? So what if your > > > posting gets a little automatic? What is that > > > among friends? > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Pete > > > > > >D: Hey Pete - > > > > Please feel free to devalue and not read my posts. > > > > The quantity can only be measured by attributing an author and concluding there are too many posts from that separable author, depending on whatever number the one who counts deems to be " too much. " > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any counting going on, on my end. > > > > > > When I'm not posting anything, the dialogue that isn't two (that is, the movement which communicates being) is ongoing. > > > > > > > > > > It isn't divided into " me " and " you. " > > > > > > > > I'm fine with judgments others make about me. > > > > > > Because I know at what those judgments are aimed. > > > > > > What is, is never not changing. > > P: I'm familiar with the nondual rationalizations > of overposters like you and Tim. What was Tim's rationalization. > No overposter > ever admits the need to overpost. I need to overpost. Nyeh, nyeh, nyeh, nyeeeeh, nyeh ;-). Just kidding. You need to judge others as overposters, cuz you'd love to get away from the PC more yourself. There. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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