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There is nothing here

 

but this absolute intimacy and nearness

 

in which nothing is near to (or apart from) anything else.

 

it's a little like being in one's own womb ;-).

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Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote:

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> There is nothing here

>

> but this absolute intimacy and nearness

>

> in which nothing is near to (or apart from) anything else.

>

> it's a little like being in one's own womb ;-).

 

 

.....sounds like being " behond " the usual illusions & fictions....;)

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

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> Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > There is nothing here

> >

> > but this absolute intimacy and nearness

> >

> > in which nothing is near to (or apart from) anything else.

> >

> > it's a little like being in one's own womb ;-).

>

>

> ....sounds like being " behond " the usual illusions & fictions....;)

>

>

> Marc

 

It isn't really 'beyond' anything... they just don't arise, because no desire

for them. There isn't a sense as if being in a certain state that's beyond some

certain other state.

 

In fact, I'm not even sure what 'being a center' is supposed to be. People talk

about 'life without a center' so I tend to go along with it, but... center of

what, where? :-p. How can one have a center?

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Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > There is nothing here

> > >

> > > but this absolute intimacy and nearness

> > >

> > > in which nothing is near to (or apart from) anything else.

> > >

> > > it's a little like being in one's own womb ;-).

> >

> >

> > ....sounds like being " behond " the usual illusions & fictions....;)

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

> It isn't really 'beyond' anything... they just don't arise, because no desire

for them. There isn't a sense as if being in a certain state that's beyond some

certain other state.

 

-was little bit joking.....

maybe you talk about peace....inner peace....just simply being....free....

>

> In fact, I'm not even sure what 'being a center' is supposed to be. People

talk about 'life without a center' so I tend to go along with it, but... center

of what, where? :-p. How can one have a center?

 

-ahhh...this Jeff Foster Tours......to many spiritual activity

centers.....lol...

 

and...

 

LOL

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

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> Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > There is nothing here

> > > >

> > > > but this absolute intimacy and nearness

> > > >

> > > > in which nothing is near to (or apart from) anything else.

> > > >

> > > > it's a little like being in one's own womb ;-).

> > >

> > >

> > > ....sounds like being " behond " the usual illusions & fictions....;)

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> >

> > It isn't really 'beyond' anything... they just don't arise, because no

desire for them. There isn't a sense as if being in a certain state that's

beyond some certain other state.

>

> -was little bit joking.....

> maybe you talk about peace....inner peace....just simply

> being....free....

 

Really it's like a loss, a 'freedom from'... loss of a certain momentum toward

becoming, toward getting somewhere, being somewhere, being somebody, that sorta

thing.

 

Very much available to everyone, and it's exactly what nobody wants. The notion

of seeking it is the silliest thing ever invented.

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Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > There is nothing here

> > > > >

> > > > > but this absolute intimacy and nearness

> > > > >

> > > > > in which nothing is near to (or apart from) anything else.

> > > > >

> > > > > it's a little like being in one's own womb ;-).

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ....sounds like being " behond " the usual illusions & fictions....;)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > >

> > > It isn't really 'beyond' anything... they just don't arise, because no

desire for them. There isn't a sense as if being in a certain state that's

beyond some certain other state.

> >

> > -was little bit joking.....

> > maybe you talk about peace....inner peace....just simply

> > being....free....

>

> Really it's like a loss, a 'freedom from'... loss of a certain momentum toward

becoming, toward getting somewhere, being somewhere, being somebody, that sorta

thing.

>

> Very much available to everyone, and it's exactly what nobody wants. The

notion of seeking it is the silliest thing ever invented.

>

 

 

for some, sure...it's silly....for some reason.....even, for one very good

reason....

 

for some, sure...it isn't silly at all.....for one very good reason.....

 

it depends on the person....and how many fruits he/she holds in his/her

hands....

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

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> for some, sure...it's silly....for some reason.....even, for one very > good

reason....

>

> for some, sure...it isn't silly at all.....for one very good

> reason.....

>

> it depends on the person....and how many fruits he/she holds in

> his/her hands....

>

>

> Marc

 

Can one seek a loss of interest in life?

 

Can boredom, aloneness and isolation be wanted?

 

If so I agree... if not, I say it can't be sought ;-).

 

Not that 'it' is boring or lonely or depressing, but... those feelings

constitute one's resistance to this.

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Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

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> > for some, sure...it's silly....for some reason.....even, for one very > good

reason....

> >

> > for some, sure...it isn't silly at all.....for one very good

> > reason.....

> >

> > it depends on the person....and how many fruits he/she holds in

> > his/her hands....

> >

> >

> > Marc

>

> Can one seek a loss of interest in life?

>

> Can boredom, aloneness and isolation be wanted?

>

> If so I agree... if not, I say it can't be sought ;-).

>

> Not that 'it' is boring or lonely or depressing, but... those feelings

constitute one's resistance to this.

>

 

 

some people make bad experiences in life....due to misunderstandings/ignorance

etc....

 

don't you think it's necessary to seek for some deeper reasons....?...

 

don't you think that it's even possible to find out one day that seeking itself

isn't necessary etc....?

 

:)

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

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> some people make bad experiences in life....due to

> misunderstandings/ignorance etc....

>

> don't you think it's necessary to seek for some deeper reasons....?...

 

It's necessary to seek, to maintain oneself as an entity. Seeking is a movement

away from This, apparently. Really, nothing and nobody is moving away, because

there's nowhere to go.

 

> don't you think that it's even possible to find out one day that

> seeking itself isn't necessary etc....?

>

> :)

 

To seek in order to find out that seeking isn't necessary? Well, it can be put

that way, if there's some reason to want to see " seeking " as a noble, important

thing in some way.

 

It's more like a necessity... until it isn't.

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Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > some people make bad experiences in life....due to

> > misunderstandings/ignorance etc....

> >

> > don't you think it's necessary to seek for some deeper reasons....?...

>

> It's necessary to seek, to maintain oneself as an entity. Seeking is a

movement away from This, apparently. Really, nothing and nobody is moving away,

because there's nowhere to go.

>

> > don't you think that it's even possible to find out one day that

> > seeking itself isn't necessary etc....?

> >

> > :)

>

> To seek in order to find out that seeking isn't necessary? Well, it can be

put that way, if there's some reason to want to see " seeking " as a noble,

important thing in some way.

>

> It's more like a necessity... until it isn't.

>

 

P.S. the " deeper reasons " isn't what one is seeking for, but what one is seeking

*against*.

 

One sees this depth, that is the absence of oneself. It is a fear. One fears

this depth, and unconsciously seeks to get away from it. It is one's undoing,

this spacious Nothing.

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Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > some people make bad experiences in life....due to

> > misunderstandings/ignorance etc....

> >

> > don't you think it's necessary to seek for some deeper reasons....?...

>

> It's necessary to seek, to maintain oneself as an entity. Seeking is a

movement away from This, apparently. Really, nothing and nobody is moving away,

because there's nowhere to go.

>

> > don't you think that it's even possible to find out one day that

> > seeking itself isn't necessary etc....?

> >

> > :)

>

> To seek in order to find out that seeking isn't necessary? Well, it can be

put that way, if there's some reason to want to see " seeking " as a noble,

important thing in some way.

>

> It's more like a necessity... until it isn't.

>

 

 

yes, for some people it's necessary to seek...

 

it doesn't make sense to declare: " no need to seek... " etc etc

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > some people make bad experiences in life....due to

> > > misunderstandings/ignorance etc....

> > >

> > > don't you think it's necessary to seek for some deeper reasons....?...

> >

> > It's necessary to seek, to maintain oneself as an entity. Seeking is a

movement away from This, apparently. Really, nothing and nobody is moving away,

because there's nowhere to go.

> >

> > > don't you think that it's even possible to find out one day that

> > > seeking itself isn't necessary etc....?

> > >

> > > :)

> >

> > To seek in order to find out that seeking isn't necessary? Well, it can be

put that way, if there's some reason to want to see " seeking " as a noble,

important thing in some way.

> >

> > It's more like a necessity... until it isn't.

> >

>

> P.S. the " deeper reasons " isn't what one is seeking for, but what one is

seeking *against*.

>

> One sees this depth, that is the absence of oneself. It is a fear. One fears

this depth, and unconsciously seeks to get away from it. It is one's undoing,

this spacious Nothing.

>

 

 

seem that there are also different meanings about the result of

seeking....:)....

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > some people make bad experiences in life....due to

> > > > misunderstandings/ignorance etc....

> > > >

> > > > don't you think it's necessary to seek for some deeper reasons....?...

> > >

> > > It's necessary to seek, to maintain oneself as an entity. Seeking is a

movement away from This, apparently. Really, nothing and nobody is moving away,

because there's nowhere to go.

> > >

> > > > don't you think that it's even possible to find out one day that

> > > > seeking itself isn't necessary etc....?

> > > >

> > > > :)

> > >

> > > To seek in order to find out that seeking isn't necessary? Well, it can

be put that way, if there's some reason to want to see " seeking " as a noble,

important thing in some way.

> > >

> > > It's more like a necessity... until it isn't.

> > >

> >

> > P.S. the " deeper reasons " isn't what one is seeking for, but what one is

seeking *against*.

> >

> > One sees this depth, that is the absence of oneself. It is a fear. One

fears this depth, and unconsciously seeks to get away from it. It is one's

undoing, this spacious Nothing.

> >

>

>

> seem that there are also different meanings about the result of

seeking....:)....

>

> Marc

>

 

 

Ps: i imagine that this your " enlightenment " must be somewhat

painful.....leaving you no more time to seek as for example....

Then, is this the reason you invent this your great " timelessness " ....?...lol

 

don't you think that it would be necessary to seek the exit to this your

imaginary enlightenment?...

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

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> seem that there are also different meanings about the result of

> seeking....:)....

>

> Marc

 

One doesn't even know what one is seeking.

 

One imposes their own imaginary definitions for 'reality', then chases after

them.

 

It don't work that way :-p.

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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33

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> don't you think that it would be necessary to seek the exit to this

> your imaginary enlightenment?...

 

Seeking is painful... involves a sense of lack, want, need.

 

" Enlightenment " is just an absence of lack, want, need. There's nothing

imaginary about something that isn't there. It's what's there that's imaginary.

If " enlightenment " were a positive quality, something gained, it would be

imaginary, but it's something lost.

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