Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 There is nothing here but this absolute intimacy and nearness in which nothing is near to (or apart from) anything else. it's a little like being in one's own womb ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > There is nothing here > > but this absolute intimacy and nearness > > in which nothing is near to (or apart from) anything else. > > it's a little like being in one's own womb ;-). .....sounds like being " behond " the usual illusions & fictions.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > There is nothing here > > > > but this absolute intimacy and nearness > > > > in which nothing is near to (or apart from) anything else. > > > > it's a little like being in one's own womb ;-). > > > ....sounds like being " behond " the usual illusions & fictions.... > > > Marc It isn't really 'beyond' anything... they just don't arise, because no desire for them. There isn't a sense as if being in a certain state that's beyond some certain other state. In fact, I'm not even sure what 'being a center' is supposed to be. People talk about 'life without a center' so I tend to go along with it, but... center of what, where? :-p. How can one have a center? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > There is nothing here > > > > > > but this absolute intimacy and nearness > > > > > > in which nothing is near to (or apart from) anything else. > > > > > > it's a little like being in one's own womb ;-). > > > > > > ....sounds like being " behond " the usual illusions & fictions.... > > > > > > Marc > > It isn't really 'beyond' anything... they just don't arise, because no desire for them. There isn't a sense as if being in a certain state that's beyond some certain other state. -was little bit joking..... maybe you talk about peace....inner peace....just simply being....free.... > > In fact, I'm not even sure what 'being a center' is supposed to be. People talk about 'life without a center' so I tend to go along with it, but... center of what, where? :-p. How can one have a center? -ahhh...this Jeff Foster Tours......to many spiritual activity centers.....lol... and... LOL Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > There is nothing here > > > > > > > > but this absolute intimacy and nearness > > > > > > > > in which nothing is near to (or apart from) anything else. > > > > > > > > it's a little like being in one's own womb ;-). > > > > > > > > > ....sounds like being " behond " the usual illusions & fictions.... > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > It isn't really 'beyond' anything... they just don't arise, because no desire for them. There isn't a sense as if being in a certain state that's beyond some certain other state. > > -was little bit joking..... > maybe you talk about peace....inner peace....just simply > being....free.... Really it's like a loss, a 'freedom from'... loss of a certain momentum toward becoming, toward getting somewhere, being somewhere, being somebody, that sorta thing. Very much available to everyone, and it's exactly what nobody wants. The notion of seeking it is the silliest thing ever invented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing here > > > > > > > > > > but this absolute intimacy and nearness > > > > > > > > > > in which nothing is near to (or apart from) anything else. > > > > > > > > > > it's a little like being in one's own womb ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > ....sounds like being " behond " the usual illusions & fictions.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > It isn't really 'beyond' anything... they just don't arise, because no desire for them. There isn't a sense as if being in a certain state that's beyond some certain other state. > > > > -was little bit joking..... > > maybe you talk about peace....inner peace....just simply > > being....free.... > > Really it's like a loss, a 'freedom from'... loss of a certain momentum toward becoming, toward getting somewhere, being somewhere, being somebody, that sorta thing. > > Very much available to everyone, and it's exactly what nobody wants. The notion of seeking it is the silliest thing ever invented. > for some, sure...it's silly....for some reason.....even, for one very good reason.... for some, sure...it isn't silly at all.....for one very good reason..... it depends on the person....and how many fruits he/she holds in his/her hands.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > for some, sure...it's silly....for some reason.....even, for one very > good reason.... > > for some, sure...it isn't silly at all.....for one very good > reason..... > > it depends on the person....and how many fruits he/she holds in > his/her hands.... > > > Marc Can one seek a loss of interest in life? Can boredom, aloneness and isolation be wanted? If so I agree... if not, I say it can't be sought ;-). Not that 'it' is boring or lonely or depressing, but... those feelings constitute one's resistance to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > for some, sure...it's silly....for some reason.....even, for one very > good reason.... > > > > for some, sure...it isn't silly at all.....for one very good > > reason..... > > > > it depends on the person....and how many fruits he/she holds in > > his/her hands.... > > > > > > Marc > > Can one seek a loss of interest in life? > > Can boredom, aloneness and isolation be wanted? > > If so I agree... if not, I say it can't be sought ;-). > > Not that 'it' is boring or lonely or depressing, but... those feelings constitute one's resistance to this. > some people make bad experiences in life....due to misunderstandings/ignorance etc.... don't you think it's necessary to seek for some deeper reasons....?... don't you think that it's even possible to find out one day that seeking itself isn't necessary etc....? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > some people make bad experiences in life....due to > misunderstandings/ignorance etc.... > > don't you think it's necessary to seek for some deeper reasons....?... It's necessary to seek, to maintain oneself as an entity. Seeking is a movement away from This, apparently. Really, nothing and nobody is moving away, because there's nowhere to go. > don't you think that it's even possible to find out one day that > seeking itself isn't necessary etc....? > > To seek in order to find out that seeking isn't necessary? Well, it can be put that way, if there's some reason to want to see " seeking " as a noble, important thing in some way. It's more like a necessity... until it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > some people make bad experiences in life....due to > > misunderstandings/ignorance etc.... > > > > don't you think it's necessary to seek for some deeper reasons....?... > > It's necessary to seek, to maintain oneself as an entity. Seeking is a movement away from This, apparently. Really, nothing and nobody is moving away, because there's nowhere to go. > > > don't you think that it's even possible to find out one day that > > seeking itself isn't necessary etc....? > > > > > > To seek in order to find out that seeking isn't necessary? Well, it can be put that way, if there's some reason to want to see " seeking " as a noble, important thing in some way. > > It's more like a necessity... until it isn't. > P.S. the " deeper reasons " isn't what one is seeking for, but what one is seeking *against*. One sees this depth, that is the absence of oneself. It is a fear. One fears this depth, and unconsciously seeks to get away from it. It is one's undoing, this spacious Nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > some people make bad experiences in life....due to > > misunderstandings/ignorance etc.... > > > > don't you think it's necessary to seek for some deeper reasons....?... > > It's necessary to seek, to maintain oneself as an entity. Seeking is a movement away from This, apparently. Really, nothing and nobody is moving away, because there's nowhere to go. > > > don't you think that it's even possible to find out one day that > > seeking itself isn't necessary etc....? > > > > > > To seek in order to find out that seeking isn't necessary? Well, it can be put that way, if there's some reason to want to see " seeking " as a noble, important thing in some way. > > It's more like a necessity... until it isn't. > yes, for some people it's necessary to seek... it doesn't make sense to declare: " no need to seek... " etc etc Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > some people make bad experiences in life....due to > > > misunderstandings/ignorance etc.... > > > > > > don't you think it's necessary to seek for some deeper reasons....?... > > > > It's necessary to seek, to maintain oneself as an entity. Seeking is a movement away from This, apparently. Really, nothing and nobody is moving away, because there's nowhere to go. > > > > > don't you think that it's even possible to find out one day that > > > seeking itself isn't necessary etc....? > > > > > > > > > > To seek in order to find out that seeking isn't necessary? Well, it can be put that way, if there's some reason to want to see " seeking " as a noble, important thing in some way. > > > > It's more like a necessity... until it isn't. > > > > P.S. the " deeper reasons " isn't what one is seeking for, but what one is seeking *against*. > > One sees this depth, that is the absence of oneself. It is a fear. One fears this depth, and unconsciously seeks to get away from it. It is one's undoing, this spacious Nothing. > seem that there are also different meanings about the result of seeking........ Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > some people make bad experiences in life....due to > > > > misunderstandings/ignorance etc.... > > > > > > > > don't you think it's necessary to seek for some deeper reasons....?... > > > > > > It's necessary to seek, to maintain oneself as an entity. Seeking is a movement away from This, apparently. Really, nothing and nobody is moving away, because there's nowhere to go. > > > > > > > don't you think that it's even possible to find out one day that > > > > seeking itself isn't necessary etc....? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To seek in order to find out that seeking isn't necessary? Well, it can be put that way, if there's some reason to want to see " seeking " as a noble, important thing in some way. > > > > > > It's more like a necessity... until it isn't. > > > > > > > P.S. the " deeper reasons " isn't what one is seeking for, but what one is seeking *against*. > > > > One sees this depth, that is the absence of oneself. It is a fear. One fears this depth, and unconsciously seeks to get away from it. It is one's undoing, this spacious Nothing. > > > > > seem that there are also different meanings about the result of seeking........ > > Marc > Ps: i imagine that this your " enlightenment " must be somewhat painful.....leaving you no more time to seek as for example.... Then, is this the reason you invent this your great " timelessness " ....?...lol don't you think that it would be necessary to seek the exit to this your imaginary enlightenment?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > seem that there are also different meanings about the result of > seeking........ > > Marc One doesn't even know what one is seeking. One imposes their own imaginary definitions for 'reality', then chases after them. It don't work that way :-p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > don't you think that it would be necessary to seek the exit to this > your imaginary enlightenment?... Seeking is painful... involves a sense of lack, want, need. " Enlightenment " is just an absence of lack, want, need. There's nothing imaginary about something that isn't there. It's what's there that's imaginary. If " enlightenment " were a positive quality, something gained, it would be imaginary, but it's something lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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