Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 -- In NonDualPhil , " randomstu " <sresnick2 wrote: > > " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > The statement: " All is X " is a meaningless statement > > regardless of the value of X. > > You have a number of cookies in front of you, all with different shapes. > You're trying to decide which one to eat, based on best taste. > > Someone tells you that the cookies differ only in appearance; they're > all made with the same dough etc etc. This is relevent to your > decision. (If the dough etc were different, then your decision matters. > If everything but appearance is the same, then it doesn't matter which > one you pick.) > > Stipulated that everything we experience has different names and forms. > But what about the substance? If someone is attached to a particular > name and form, the idea that the different forms have the same > substance may be non-trivial medicine. > > (It's the differences in name and form that make the non-difference in > substance meaningful. To say " EVERYTHING is One " may indeed be > meaningless.) > > Stuart > http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/ P: Well, Stuart, I wasn't referring to cookies or any other class of articles as in: all these rings are gold rings, or any other such everyday statement of sameness. I was referring to ontological postulations of sameness. Such propositions are irrelevant, both from a philosophical, and a scientific point of view. We now know that all electrons are identical, one proton is exactly the same as all other protons, and all neutrons are also indistinguishable from one another. These subatomic particles that make an atom of carbon are identical to the particles that make an atom of lead, yet, their qualities and consequences to life are very different. Carbon is the giver of life, while lead is poisonous. It's the different quantities in which this particles are combined that creates all the different elements of the periodic table. It's its atomic number that makes carbon unique. Pythagoras' intuition was right: The universe is made up of numbers. Of course, Pythagoras didn't realize that shape plays a crucial role at the molecular level. I now, will postulate form as an architect of the universe. A diamond and a piece of charcoal have the exact same atoms, but arranged differently. All hydrocarbons differ only in number and shape. So in conclusion, number and shape are relevant, not the sameness behind the form. What are number and form? They have no substance, yet they transform sameness into difference. I, could be say to be, a certain number and shape of atoms wondering and asking questions about itself. Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > What are number and form? They have no substance, > yet they transform sameness into difference. > > I, could be say to be, a certain number and shape of > atoms wondering and asking questions about itself. > > Pete If there was actually a 'self' to refer to (rather than just words emitting), that might be the case ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > What are number and form? They have no substance, > > yet they transform sameness into difference. > > > > I, could be say to be, a certain number and shape of > > atoms wondering and asking questions about itself. > > > > Pete > > If there was actually a 'self' to refer to (rather than just words emitting), that might be the case ;-). P; Haha! You're such a nut! what is the substance of words? They are number and form. Take the name, Pete. Remove the t and what do you have? LOL > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > What are number and form? They have no substance, > > > yet they transform sameness into difference. > > > > > > I, could be say to be, a certain number and shape of > > > atoms wondering and asking questions about itself. > > > > > > Pete > > > > If there was actually a 'self' to refer to (rather than just words emitting), that might be the case ;-). > > P; Haha! You're such a nut! what is the > substance of words? They are number and > form. Take the name, Pete. Remove the t > and what do you have? LOL > > Exactly... words have no substance at all. They constitute imagination. And they just come out, as if from nowhere. Nothing ever wondered or asked questions about itself. What was questioned and wondered about, was imaginary, was never there except as imagination, thought. Yes, it's thought questioning and wondering about its own 'creations'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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