Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Some years before he died Krishnamurti made that statement " 60 years and not a single one changed " . For 60 years he gave innumerous talks and discussions all over the world, talked to millions of people, had private discussions with ten thousands of visitors, wrote a hundred books, had distributed his talks on tapes and videos and finally his resume of all his endeavours was that not a single one changed. The same happens with all gurus or anti-gurus, with all philosophies, with all religions and teachings including Advaita. And all those spiritual or phiosophical groups like this one also will fail. They are just kind of entertainment and nothing more. Why is that ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Some years before he died Krishnamurti made that statement " 60 years and not a single one changed " . > > For 60 years he gave innumerous talks and discussions all over the world, talked to millions of people, had private discussions with ten thousands of visitors, wrote a hundred books, had distributed his talks on tapes and videos and finally his resume of all his endeavours was that not a single one changed. > > The same happens with all gurus or anti-gurus, with all philosophies, with all religions and teachings including Advaita. > > And all those spiritual or phiosophical groups like this one also will fail. They are just kind of entertainment and nothing more. > > Why is that ? > > Werner How would he know? And how would you know? - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Some years before he died Krishnamurti made that statement " 60 years and not a single one changed " . > > For 60 years he gave innumerous talks and discussions all over the world, talked to millions of people, had private discussions with ten thousands of visitors, wrote a hundred books, had distributed his talks on tapes and videos and finally his resume of all his endeavours was that not a single one changed. > > The same happens with all gurus or anti-gurus, with all philosophies, with all religions and teachings including Advaita. > > And all those spiritual or phiosophical groups like this one also will fail. They are just kind of entertainment and nothing more. > > Why is that ? > > Werner > there must be a very good reason for.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Some years before he died Krishnamurti made that statement " 60 years and not a single one changed " . > > > > For 60 years he gave innumerous talks and discussions all over the world, talked to millions of people, had private discussions with ten thousands of visitors, wrote a hundred books, had distributed his talks on tapes and videos and finally his resume of all his endeavours was that not a single one changed. > > > > The same happens with all gurus or anti-gurus, with all philosophies, with all religions and teachings including Advaita. > > > > And all those spiritual or phiosophical groups like this one also will fail. They are just kind of entertainment and nothing more. > > > > Why is that ? > > > > Werner > > > How would he know? > > And how would you know? > > - D - > Great questions. Returning to us to the original questions: what is enlightenment, who gets enlightened and who can enlighten whom? (The question is there such a thing as enlightenment always lurks in the background.) My answer: Yes....and....No. I've been on a strange ride for the last 60 some years of my life. Started I think with my first recognition of awareness, and I doubt it will end with *end* since I doubt it started with my *begininning*. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Some years before he died Krishnamurti made that statement " 60 years and not a single one changed " . > > > > > > For 60 years he gave innumerous talks and discussions all over the world, talked to millions of people, had private discussions with ten thousands of visitors, wrote a hundred books, had distributed his talks on tapes and videos and finally his resume of all his endeavours was that not a single one changed. > > > > > > The same happens with all gurus or anti-gurus, with all philosophies, with all religions and teachings including Advaita. > > > > > > And all those spiritual or phiosophical groups like this one also will fail. They are just kind of entertainment and nothing more. > > > > > > Why is that ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > How would he know? > > > > And how would you know? > > > > - D - > > > > > Great questions. > > Returning to us to the original questions: what is enlightenment, who gets enlightened and who can enlighten whom? (The question is there such a thing as enlightenment always lurks in the background.) > > My answer: Yes....and....No. > > I've been on a strange ride for the last 60 some years of my life. Started I think with my first recognition of awareness, and I doubt it will end with *end* since I doubt it started with my *begininning*. > > ~A > Hi Anna, You also missed the real issue. The original question was not enlightenment but why did all religions and philosophies fail. Krishnamurti once said if love would be teachable the world would be full of lovers. Therefore all that babbling of love and preaching it has failed and will fail. Same with psychological change: All religions and philosophies failed with fundamentally changing the human psyche. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Some years before he died Krishnamurti made that statement " 60 years and not a single one changed " . > > > > > > > > For 60 years he gave innumerous talks and discussions all over the world, talked to millions of people, had private discussions with ten thousands of visitors, wrote a hundred books, had distributed his talks on tapes and videos and finally his resume of all his endeavours was that not a single one changed. > > > > > > > > The same happens with all gurus or anti-gurus, with all philosophies, with all religions and teachings including Advaita. > > > > > > > > And all those spiritual or phiosophical groups like this one also will fail. They are just kind of entertainment and nothing more. > > > > > > > > Why is that ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > How would he know? > > > > > > And how would you know? > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > Great questions. > > > > Returning to us to the original questions: what is enlightenment, who gets enlightened and who can enlighten whom? (The question is there such a thing as enlightenment always lurks in the background.) > > > > My answer: Yes....and....No. > > > > I've been on a strange ride for the last 60 some years of my life. Started I think with my first recognition of awareness, and I doubt it will end with *end* since I doubt it started with my *begininning*. > > > > ~A > > > > > Hi Anna, > > You also missed the real issue. The original question was not enlightenment but why did all religions and philosophies fail. > > Krishnamurti once said if love would be teachable the world would be full of lovers. > > Therefore all that babbling of love and preaching it has failed and will fail. Same with psychological change: All religions and philosophies failed with fundamentally changing the human psyche. > > Werner > how could worlds ever change?..... the enlightenment business is just a business like any other business.... it serve to have some occupation...doing some nice things.... earn some money.... and be happy ..... Marc Ps: the nature of worlds involves some roles for/of so called spiritual teachers.....and also gardeners, dentists, teachers, taxi-driver....etc etc whoever plays whatever roles is of complete unimportance.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Some years before he died Krishnamurti made that statement " 60 years and not a single one changed " . > > > > > > > > For 60 years he gave innumerous talks and discussions all over the world, talked to millions of people, had private discussions with ten thousands of visitors, wrote a hundred books, had distributed his talks on tapes and videos and finally his resume of all his endeavours was that not a single one changed. > > > > > > > > The same happens with all gurus or anti-gurus, with all philosophies, with all religions and teachings including Advaita. > > > > > > > > And all those spiritual or phiosophical groups like this one also will fail. They are just kind of entertainment and nothing more. > > > > > > > > Why is that ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > How would he know? > > > > > > And how would you know? > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > Great questions. > > > > Returning to us to the original questions: what is enlightenment, who gets enlightened and who can enlighten whom? (The question is there such a thing as enlightenment always lurks in the background.) > > > > My answer: Yes....and....No. > > > > I've been on a strange ride for the last 60 some years of my life. Started I think with my first recognition of awareness, and I doubt it will end with *end* since I doubt it started with my *begininning*. > > > > ~A > > > > > Hi Anna, > > You also missed the real issue. The original question was not enlightenment but why did all religions and philosophies fail. > > Krishnamurti once said if love would be teachable the world would be full of lovers. > > Therefore all that babbling of love and preaching it has failed and will fail. Same with psychological change: All religions and philosophies failed with fundamentally changing the human psyche. > > Werner > Perhaps that was Your original question, my darling Werener: " why did all religions and philosophies fail " . It wasn't mine. Mine was *enlightenment* and what that meant when I found it/reached it. Werner, it is you who bring up the issue of love, along with Krishnamurti' name. Love is not a human emotion that can be taught by any religion or philosophy. Love is the cosmos of human experience. It is the vibration of BEING. And can only be experienced firsthand. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Some years before he died Krishnamurti made that statement " 60 years and not a single one changed " . > > > > > > For 60 years he gave innumerous talks and discussions all over the world, talked to millions of people, had private discussions with ten thousands of visitors, wrote a hundred books, had distributed his talks on tapes and videos and finally his resume of all his endeavours was that not a single one changed. > > > > > > The same happens with all gurus or anti-gurus, with all philosophies, with all religions and teachings including Advaita. > > > > > > And all those spiritual or phiosophical groups like this one also will fail. They are just kind of entertainment and nothing more. > > > > > > Why is that ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > How would he know? > > > > And how would you know? > > > > - D - > > > > > Great questions. > > Returning to us to the original questions: what is enlightenment, who gets enlightened and who can enlighten whom? (The question is there such a thing as enlightenment always lurks in the background.) > > My answer: Yes....and....No. > > I've been on a strange ride for the last 60 some years of my life. Started I think with my first recognition of awareness, and I doubt it will end with *end* since I doubt it started with my *begininning*. > > ~A Yes. To end is to begin. To begin is to end. The awareness at the beginning is the awareness at the end. There isn't any accumulation. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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