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Hi everybody and namaste

 

i joined this list last night. In my mail program your conversations

are lined up with quotes and responses. Some of them one long line of

words from different people,

but those names mean nothing to me.

Which turns the conversation in a chorus of voices around a centre-

Nisargadatta and what he stands for.

Since Kundalini started to rise in my body about 15 years ago my mind

tends to shut down, especially when the context is meant to be

" spiritual " .

I seem to read the energy or the light rather than grasping every word

with my mind.

While " reading " your posts i feel compassion and i smile.

It´s good to be here.

 

mia

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Nisargadatta , michaela friedrich <astrofuerte wrote:

>

> Hi everybody and namaste

>

> i joined this list last night. In my mail program your conversations

> are lined up with quotes and responses. Some of them one long line of

> words from different people,

> but those names mean nothing to me.

> Which turns the conversation in a chorus of voices around a centre-

> Nisargadatta and what he stands for.

> Since Kundalini started to rise in my body about 15 years ago my mind

> tends to shut down, especially when the context is meant to be

> " spiritual " .

> I seem to read the energy or the light rather than grasping every word

> with my mind.

> While " reading " your posts i feel compassion and i smile.

> It´s good to be here.

>

> mia

>

 

 

 

 

Well............that's just it Mia.............you aren't.

 

 

 

 

 

Jusssssss kidddddddddding.

 

 

 

 

 

 

welcome

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , michaela friedrich <astrofuerte@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi everybody and namaste

> >

> > i joined this list last night. In my mail program your conversations

> > are lined up with quotes and responses. Some of them one long line of

> > words from different people,

> > but those names mean nothing to me.

> > Which turns the conversation in a chorus of voices around a centre-

> > Nisargadatta and what he stands for.

> > Since Kundalini started to rise in my body about 15 years ago my mind

> > tends to shut down, especially when the context is meant to be

> > " spiritual " .

> > I seem to read the energy or the light rather than grasping every word

> > with my mind.

> > While " reading " your posts i feel compassion and i smile.

> > It´s good to be here.

> >

> > mia

> >

>

>

>

>

> Well............that's just it Mia.............you aren't.

>

>

>

>

>

> Jusssssss kidddddddddding.

welcome

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

She's here.

 

It's just not the 'here' one assumes it to be.

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Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , michaela friedrich <astrofuerte@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi everybody and namaste

> > >

> > > i joined this list last night. In my mail program your conversations

> > > are lined up with quotes and responses. Some of them one long line of

> > > words from different people,

> > > but those names mean nothing to me.

> > > Which turns the conversation in a chorus of voices around a centre-

> > > Nisargadatta and what he stands for.

> > > Since Kundalini started to rise in my body about 15 years ago my mind

> > > tends to shut down, especially when the context is meant to be

> > > " spiritual " .

> > > I seem to read the energy or the light rather than grasping every word

> > > with my mind.

> > > While " reading " your posts i feel compassion and i smile.

> > > It´s good to be here.

> > >

> > > mia

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Well............that's just it Mia.............you aren't.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Jusssssss kidddddddddding.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > welcome

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> She's here.

>

> It's just not the 'here' one assumes it to be.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

So the psychological entity has a location?

 

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , michaela friedrich <astrofuerte@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi everybody and namaste

> >

> > i joined this list last night. In my mail program your conversations

> > are lined up with quotes and responses. Some of them one long line of

> > words from different people,

> > but those names mean nothing to me.

> > Which turns the conversation in a chorus of voices around a centre-

> > Nisargadatta and what he stands for.

> > Since Kundalini started to rise in my body about 15 years ago my mind

> > tends to shut down, especially when the context is meant to be

> > " spiritual " .

> > I seem to read the energy or the light rather than grasping every word

> > with my mind.

> > While " reading " your posts i feel compassion and i smile.

> > It´s good to be here.

> >

> > mia

> >

 

> Well............that's just it Mia.............you aren't.

> Jusssssss kidddddddddding.

> welcome

> toombaru

 

Edg: Mia, Toom's not kidding. Beware, he'll beat you soundly about the head

and shoulders with the concept: nothingness. He'll be pretending that he's the

go-to guy here who's got the tee shirt for nihilism, and that he's some ersatz

Zen master who'll enlighten you by snickering at you. That's it. That's his

only card to play.

 

Now, if you want concepts galore like a field of flowers bathing in the rays,

Dan or Pete'll do ya -- even if they are afraid of getting caught red-nosed

smelling a flower, cuz it ain't spiritually manly, donchaknow. (I'm ribbing

them, but they do get very antsy if you try to get them to admit to anything for

fear of being caught being alive in the land of the dead and taking it

seriously.)

 

If you want feelings, Anabebe is da bomb. She'll maraud you like a kid with a

supersoaker that squirts liquid poetry.

 

If you want an avalanche of words, 'tis moi's contribution.

 

If you want sheer inanity by buffoons cavorting with concepts like ten year olds

trying to juggle flaming chainsaws, there's at least five posters here who'll

gladly fill that slot fer ya, and each and every time they'll chortle they've

hacked off one of your beliefs like a living limb, and then you get to watch

them gather around your twitching body in glee like The Lord of the Flies was

their scriptural authority. We got a crew here that set fire to the entire

cosmos, just so they could say, " Nothing's happening, there isn't any " you, " but

if you insist there is a you, then we shout STOOOPID in unison as we munch on

your carcass as our IMAX lap-snack as we watch the end of the world. "

 

Where ya from, where ya goin', whatcha know? Give us a blurb about the past,

show us what you're aiming at down the path, and, hey, try a little

strutting-yer-stuff just to see who thinks it's " stomp the newbie " time.

 

I'd say, " Welcome, " but this isn't Walmart, it's a junkyard dog convention.

Careful offering any bones here, they'll target the pulsing blood and flesh of

the hand that feeds them instead.

 

Edg

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Hi Mia -

 

 

Nice to hear your voice here.

 

 

 

- Dan -

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , michaela friedrich <astrofuerte wrote:

>

> Hi everybody and namaste

>

> i joined this list last night. In my mail program your conversations

> are lined up with quotes and responses. Some of them one long line of

> words from different people,

> but those names mean nothing to me.

> Which turns the conversation in a chorus of voices around a centre-

> Nisargadatta and what he stands for.

> Since Kundalini started to rise in my body about 15 years ago my mind

> tends to shut down, especially when the context is meant to be

> " spiritual " .

> I seem to read the energy or the light rather than grasping every word

> with my mind.

> While " reading " your posts i feel compassion and i smile.

> It´s good to be here.

>

> mia

>

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Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg wrote:

 

Edge wrote, in part:

 

> I'd say, " Welcome, " but this isn't Walmart, it's a junkyard dog convention.

Careful offering any bones here, they'll target the pulsing blood and flesh of

the hand that feeds them instead.

 

 

Hi Edg -

 

That's because the posters on " nondual " lists are the same people who provide

the rest of the " communication " that goes on, on this planet.

 

They've latched on to " nonduality " as a means of self-validation, which is just

another way to try to validate oneself to add to all the others.

 

The attempt to self-validate results in all manner of aggressive, competitive

communications. There is little genuine inquiry, little intelligent listening,

and much in the way of self-assertion.

 

One who has followed inquiry through to its conclusion (which is not a matter of

reaching or establishing any conclusion) naturally experiences a sense of

relief, gratitude, openness.

 

This naturally results in communication as a human being, although one

understands that co-mmunication is not possible and has never happened. One

understands an aloneness that is so much so, that there is no sense of aloneness

to it. This has never not been the case.

 

One is not asserting a truth, nor is one validating oneself by what one presents

- however, naturally enough, one meets all kinds of responses to counter the

truth that it is believed that one asserted, or to invalidate the speaker in

various ways - even though no speaker was assumed to be self-validating through

the communication.

 

And thus it goes ...

 

As noted in Ecclesiastes: Vanity of vanities. There is nothing new under the

sun.

 

Clearly, there is no volitionality involved anywhere. The sense of volition is

only a reflection of the perception of distance between an I/it, or an I/thou.

When no such distance is perceived, volitionality cannot be attributed anywhere.

 

Thus, as is stated in some Tibetan teachings: all phenomena as they are, are

" self-liberating. "

 

Not only is there nothing new (in terms of human thought and relationship),

there is no need for anything to be made new. The newness or noncontinuity or

suchness or indivisibility is the actuality of being aware, and never has not

been so.

 

Thus, all perceived phenomena are " self-liberating " as is said in some Tibetan

teachings.

 

Nothing needs to be done to anything, no newness, no new perspective needs to be

brought into things (through conceptuality or communicating).

 

Peace,

 

Dan

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " duveyoung " <edg@> wrote:

>

> Edge wrote, in part:

>

> > I'd say, " Welcome, " but this isn't Walmart, it's a junkyard dog convention.

Careful offering any bones here, they'll target the pulsing blood and flesh of

the hand that feeds them instead.

>

>

> Hi Edg -

>

> That's because the posters on " nondual " lists are the same people who provide

the rest of the " communication " that goes on, on this planet.

>

> They've latched on to " nonduality " as a means of self-validation, which is

just another way to try to validate oneself to add to all the others.

>

> The attempt to self-validate results in all manner of aggressive, competitive

communications. There is little genuine inquiry, little intelligent listening,

and much in the way of self-assertion.

>

> One who has followed inquiry through to its conclusion (which is not a matter

of reaching or establishing any conclusion) naturally experiences a sense of

relief, gratitude, openness.

>

> This naturally results in communication as a human being, although one

understands that co-mmunication is not possible and has never happened. One

understands an aloneness that is so much so, that there is no sense of aloneness

to it. This has never not been the case.

>

> One is not asserting a truth, nor is one validating oneself by what one

presents - however, naturally enough, one meets all kinds of responses to

counter the truth that it is believed that one asserted, or to invalidate the

speaker in various ways - even though no speaker was assumed to be

self-validating through the communication.

>

> And thus it goes ...

>

> As noted in Ecclesiastes: Vanity of vanities. There is nothing new under the

sun.

>

> Clearly, there is no volitionality involved anywhere. The sense of volition

is only a reflection of the perception of distance between an I/it, or an

I/thou. When no such distance is perceived, volitionality cannot be attributed

anywhere.

>

> Thus, as is stated in some Tibetan teachings: all phenomena as they are, are

" self-liberating. "

>

> Not only is there nothing new (in terms of human thought and relationship),

there is no need for anything to be made new. The newness or noncontinuity or

suchness or indivisibility is the actuality of being aware, and never has not

been so.

>

> Thus, all perceived phenomena are " self-liberating " as is said in some Tibetan

teachings.

>

> Nothing needs to be done to anything, no newness, no new perspective needs to

be brought into things (through conceptuality or communicating).

>

> Peace,

>

> Dan

>

 

 

 

 

In painting the essence of the scenery......each master painter comes up with a

similar.....but vastly different painting.

 

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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>

>

>

> Somewhere......out in vast ocean.

> The vessel breaks apart.

> And each of the passengers

> are caught in their own current.

>

> They drift apart....

> and lose sight of each-other.

>

> They watch as their

> life preservers dissolve.

>

>

toombaru

>

 

 

Mia, welcome!

 

You couldn't have come at a more opportune time.

 

Toomie's right, no life perservers here. We all drown in the light.

 

~A

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> As you say, one is, this alone is, there is therefore no languaging > of it,

no thought about it.

>

> The aloneness is not at all aloneness as commonly understood.

>

> There isn't any separable self to be alone.

>

>

> So, any sense of aloneness dissolves as well.

>

> In utter aloneness, there is no sense of aloneness, no

> conceptualization that one is alone.

 

 

Yes, true... no self, no other.

 

Talking to 'others' or 'being by oneself', is essentially the same.

 

There's no craving to socialize, and no pushing away of socializing, should it

happen.

 

It's an extinguishment, but with none of the negative connotations that might be

associated with that word.

 

> One has never had a thought, nor anything to think about.

 

> When contact is not an option or possibility, there is no concept

> of contact, no sense of isolation, no memory of some other state to > compare

this with.

 

Indeed.

 

And contact is not possible, whether it's believed to be or not.

 

So what's extinguished, was never 'there', really.

 

> Of course, for the " human being, " the " person " this is a tremendous >

challenge, as you've noted from time to time.

>

> The human being is a system of contacts formed and lost and

> reformed.

 

Imaginary, of course.

 

" nothing new below " ;-)

 

> When this understanding is expressed through a human form, there

> typically is the misunderstanding that a human being is making

> contact with another human being in order to express the truth of

> what is.

>

> This misunderstanding leads to so much distortion. It is

> inevitable, of course, and not volitional.

>

> Jesus: " Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. "

>

> When reading between the lines, this is a clear reflection of awareness of

nonvolitionality, and awareness that distortion will inevitably occur as long as

the I/it interpretation template is active.

>

> - Dan -

>

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> > Jesus: " Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. "

> >

> >

> > - Dan -

> >

>

 

 

 

Father, forgive them, for they know not what is being done through

them........nor can they.

 

..........oh yeah.......and while You're at it......forgive Yourself for creating

all this confusion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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> > > Jesus: " Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. "

> > >

> > >

> > > - Dan -

> > >

> >

>

>

>

> Father, forgive them, for they know not what is being done through

them........nor can they.

>

> .........oh yeah.......and while You're at it......forgive Yourself for

creating all this confusion.

>

toombaru

>

 

 

 

The question is if You knew better, would You do better? Only then would You

have have to forgive Yourself.

 

 

~A

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > > Jesus: " Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > - Dan -

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Father, forgive them, for they know not what is being done through

them........nor can they.

> >

> > .........oh yeah.......and while You're at it......forgive Yourself for

creating all this confusion.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

>

>

> The question is if You knew better, would You do better? Only then would You

have have to forgive Yourself.

>

>

> ~A

>

 

 

 

 

Forgiveness on any level implies volition......and there is no such

thing.......on any level.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

>

> Somewhere......out in vast ocean.

> The vessel breaks apart.

> And each of the passengers

> are caught in their own current.

>

> They drift apart....

> and lose sight of each-other.

>

> They watch as their

> life preservers dissolve.

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

In the above scenario, there's a sense as if all this happening to the ship, the

passengers, etc.

 

-- is being watched from above.

 

And what is it that's doing the watching of this scenario?

 

Whatever it is, is already alone, as it's always been... and dreaming the whole

scene.

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > > Jesus: " Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > - Dan -

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Father, forgive them, for they know not what is being done through

them........nor can they.

> >

> > .........oh yeah.......and while You're at it......forgive Yourself for

creating all this confusion.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

>

>

> The question is if You knew better, would You do better? Only then would You

have have to forgive Yourself.

>

>

> ~A

>

 

 

Love is not the opposite of anything. It is not the opposite of hate or of

violence. Even if you do not depend on anybody and live a most virtuous life -

do social work, demonstrate up and down the street - if you have no love it has

no value at all. If you love, then you can do what you will. For the man who

loves there is no error - or if there is an error, he corrects it immediately. A

man who loves has no jealousy, no remorse; for him there is no forgiveness,

because there is not a moment in which a thing that has to be forgiven arises.

J.Krishnamurti

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Somewhere......out in vast ocean.

> > The vessel breaks apart.

> > And each of the passengers

> > are caught in their own current.

> >

> > They drift apart....

> > and lose sight of each-other.

> >

> > They watch as their

> > life preservers dissolve.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

>

> Mia, welcome!

>

> You couldn't have come at a more opportune time.

>

> Toomie's right, no life perservers here. We all drown in the light.

>

> ~A

 

P: I have news for you all. Mia left the bldg long ago,

yet her intro keeps rolling downhill. She wasn't

interested in philosophy. She was a Kunda girl

interested only in snake charming tricks. She said so,

herself, but you don't listen, you just want to say.

 

Someone could have asked her what did she mean by seeing

energy in posts? But even Toomb, who promised to give

money to lurkers who posted, could not stop himself

from shooting first, and asking questions later.

 

Funny, no?

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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>

> > > Jesus: " Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. "

> > >

> > >

> > > - Dan -

> > >

> >

>

>

>

> Father, forgive them, for they know not what is being done through

them........nor can they.

>

> .........oh yeah.......and while You're at it......forgive Yourself for

creating all this confusion.

 

 

There is no creator-god.

 

The father is nothing, nobodaddy.

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > > > Jesus: " Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > - Dan -

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Father, forgive them, for they know not what is being done through

them........nor can they.

> >

> > .........oh yeah.......and while You're at it......forgive Yourself for

creating all this confusion.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

>

>

> The question is if You knew better, would You do better? Only then would You

have have to forgive Yourself.

>

>

> ~A

 

 

Yes, forgiveness is always only of oneself.

 

Releasing the guilt one bears for the attempt at separate existence

and having an identity.

 

The best forgiveness is to realize that the sin never

could happen, and the holding onto the sin was misunderstanding.

 

The best forgiveness (the only real forgiveness) isn't volitional,

it is automatic and due to the nature of what is so.

 

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > > Jesus: " Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > - Dan -

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Father, forgive them, for they know not what is being done through

them........nor can they.

> > >

> > > .........oh yeah.......and while You're at it......forgive Yourself for

creating all this confusion.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > The question is if You knew better, would You do better? Only then would

You have have to forgive Yourself.

> >

> >

> > ~A

> >

>

>

>

>

> Forgiveness on any level implies volition......and there is no such

> thing.......on any level.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

atone for your sin.

 

repent of volition.

 

understand the guilt you bear and what you caused to happen ...

 

never happened.

 

but then, that is the end of you, isn't it?

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Jesus: " Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - Dan -

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Father, forgive them, for they know not what is being done through

them........nor can they.

> > > >

> > > > .........oh yeah.......and while You're at it......forgive Yourself for

creating all this confusion.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The question is if You knew better, would You do better? Only then would

You have have to forgive Yourself.

> > >

> > >

> > > ~A

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Forgiveness on any level implies volition......and there is no such

> > thing.......on any level.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> atone for your sin.

>

> repent of volition.

>

> understand the guilt you bear and what you caused to happen ...

>

> never happened.

>

> but then, that is the end of you, isn't it?

>

> - D -

>

 

 

 

I had a beginning?

 

 

 

 

:-0

 

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > > > Jesus: " Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > - Dan -

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Father, forgive them, for they know not what is being done through

them........nor can they.

> > >

> > > .........oh yeah.......and while You're at it......forgive Yourself for

creating all this confusion.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > The question is if You knew better, would You do better? Only then would

You have have to forgive Yourself.

> >

> >

> > ~A

> >

>

>

> Love is not the opposite of anything. It is not the opposite of hate or of

violence. Even if you do not depend on anybody and live a most virtuous life -

do social work, demonstrate up and down the street - if you have no love it has

no value at all. If you love, then you can do what you will. For the man who

loves there is no error - or if there is an error, he corrects it immediately. A

man who loves has no jealousy, no remorse; for him there is no forgiveness,

because there is not a moment in which a thing that has to be forgiven arises.

J.Krishnamurti

>

> Werner

 

if he is not, there is no sin.

 

but if so, he doesn't know that he's not there, because he's not there to know

it.

 

commenting about how one isn't there, and therefore is able to love, is the

self-conscious act of someone who is there, but prefers to believe he is not

there.

 

so, he gives talks about how he isn't there, to validate what he wishes were

true of himself.

 

and if it were true, he wouldn't know it, and wouldn't be making speeches about

himself.

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Somewhere......out in vast ocean.

> > > The vessel breaks apart.

> > > And each of the passengers

> > > are caught in their own current.

> > >

> > > They drift apart....

> > > and lose sight of each-other.

> > >

> > > They watch as their

> > > life preservers dissolve.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> >

> >

> > Mia, welcome!

> >

> > You couldn't have come at a more opportune time.

> >

> > Toomie's right, no life perservers here. We all drown in the light.

> >

> > ~A

>

> P: I have news for you all. Mia left the bldg long ago,

> yet her intro keeps rolling downhill. She wasn't

> interested in philosophy. She was a Kunda girl

> interested only in snake charming tricks. She said so,

> herself, but you don't listen, you just want to say.

>

> Someone could have asked her what did she mean by seeing

> energy in posts? But even Toomb, who promised to give

> money to lurkers who posted, could not stop himself

> from shooting first, and asking questions later.

>

> Funny, no?

 

Yes. Funny!

 

It will be even funnier once you forward her address to Toom so he can mail her

check to her.

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Jesus: " Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - Dan -

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Father, forgive them, for they know not what is being done through

them........nor can they.

> > > > >

> > > > > .........oh yeah.......and while You're at it......forgive Yourself

for creating all this confusion.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The question is if You knew better, would You do better? Only then

would You have have to forgive Yourself.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ~A

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Forgiveness on any level implies volition......and there is no such

> > > thing.......on any level.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > atone for your sin.

> >

> > repent of volition.

> >

> > understand the guilt you bear and what you caused to happen ...

> >

> > never happened.

> >

> > but then, that is the end of you, isn't it?

> >

> > - D -

> >

>

>

>

> I had a beginning?

>

>

>

>

> :-0

>

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

The first time you felt yourself existing.

 

The first time you thought about yourself.

 

The first time you noticed someone looking at you.

 

The first time you wondered what someone else thought about you.

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Jesus: " Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - Dan -

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Father, forgive them, for they know not what is being done through

them........nor can they.

> > > >

> > > > .........oh yeah.......and while You're at it......forgive Yourself for

creating all this confusion.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The question is if You knew better, would You do better? Only then would

You have have to forgive Yourself.

> > >

> > >

> > > ~A

> > >

> >

> >

> > Love is not the opposite of anything. It is not the opposite of hate or of

violence. Even if you do not depend on anybody and live a most virtuous life -

do social work, demonstrate up and down the street - if you have no love it has

no value at all. If you love, then you can do what you will. For the man who

loves there is no error - or if there is an error, he corrects it immediately. A

man who loves has no jealousy, no remorse; for him there is no forgiveness,

because there is not a moment in which a thing that has to be forgiven arises.

J.Krishnamurti

> >

> > Werner

>

> if he is not, there is no sin.

>

> but if so, he doesn't know that he's not there, because he's not there to know

it.

>

> commenting about how one isn't there, and therefore is able to love, is the

self-conscious act of someone who is there, but prefers to believe he is not

there.

>

> so, he gives talks about how he isn't there, to validate what he wishes were

true of himself.

>

> and if it were true, he wouldn't know it, and wouldn't be making speeches

about himself.

>

> - D -

>

 

 

All of the popular teachers speak to a certain level of understanding.

 

That's what makes them popular.

 

The closer one gets to the ultimate understanding.....the more the silliness of

their prattlings is seen.

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Somewhere......out in vast ocean.

> > > > The vessel breaks apart.

> > > > And each of the passengers

> > > > are caught in their own current.

> > > >

> > > > They drift apart....

> > > > and lose sight of each-other.

> > > >

> > > > They watch as their

> > > > life preservers dissolve.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mia, welcome!

> > >

> > > You couldn't have come at a more opportune time.

> > >

> > > Toomie's right, no life perservers here. We all drown in the light.

> > >

> > > ~A

> >

> > P: I have news for you all. Mia left the bldg long ago,

> > yet her intro keeps rolling downhill. She wasn't

> > interested in philosophy. She was a Kunda girl

> > interested only in snake charming tricks. She said so,

> > herself, but you don't listen, you just want to say.

> >

> > Someone could have asked her what did she mean by seeing

> > energy in posts? But even Toomb, who promised to give

> > money to lurkers who posted, could not stop himself

> > from shooting first, and asking questions later.

> >

> > Funny, no?

>

> Yes. Funny!

>

> It will be even funnier once you forward her address to Toom so he can mail

her check to her.

>

> - D -

>

 

 

 

I made the offer to lurkers.

 

As soon as she posted she lost that status.

 

 

 

 

 

:-0

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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