there is neither seer, seen nor seing....(corrected)

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> the manifest is the unmanifest? Well may be....but the unmanifest is more

> then just the manifest, right or left?

> -geo-

 

If the manifest is the unmanifest, how can the unmanifest be either more than or

less than the manifest?

 

It's a misunderstanding of " the manifest " to say it's actually manifest,

actually consisting of " things " (entities) that have manifested, that have come

into existence.

 

Simple awareness is a powerful solvent for this. Talk has no effect at all.

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fewtch

Nisargadatta

Friday, September 04, 2009 5:22 PM

Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

seing....(corrected)

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> the manifest is the unmanifest? Well may be....but the unmanifest is more

> then just the manifest, right or left?

> -geo-

 

If the manifest is the unmanifest, how can the unmanifest be either more

than or less than the manifest?

 

It's a misunderstanding of " the manifest " to say it's actually manifest,

actually consisting of " things " (entities) that have manifested, that have

come into existence.

 

Simple awareness is a powerful solvent for this. Talk has no effect at all.

-t-

 

Simple. The manifest is limited, bounded, sense-dependent.

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> fewtch

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 5:22 PM

> Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

> seing....(corrected)

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > the manifest is the unmanifest? Well may be....but the unmanifest is more

> > then just the manifest, right or left?

> > -geo-

>

> If the manifest is the unmanifest, how can the unmanifest be either more

> than or less than the manifest?

>

> It's a misunderstanding of " the manifest " to say it's actually manifest,

> actually consisting of " things " (entities) that have manifested, that have

> come into existence.

>

> Simple awareness is a powerful solvent for this. Talk has no effect at all.

> -t-

>

> Simple. The manifest is limited, bounded, sense-dependent.

> -geo-

 

There is no " the manifest " .

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fewtch

Nisargadatta

Friday, September 04, 2009 5:38 PM

Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

seing....(corrected)

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> fewtch

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 5:22 PM

> Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

> seing....(corrected)

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > the manifest is the unmanifest? Well may be....but the unmanifest is

> > more

> > then just the manifest, right or left?

> > -geo-

>

> If the manifest is the unmanifest, how can the unmanifest be either more

> than or less than the manifest?

>

> It's a misunderstanding of " the manifest " to say it's actually manifest,

> actually consisting of " things " (entities) that have manifested, that have

> come into existence.

>

> Simple awareness is a powerful solvent for this. Talk has no effect at

> all.

> -t-

>

> Simple. The manifest is limited, bounded, sense-dependent.

> -geo-

 

There is no " the manifest " .

-t-

 

There is the manifest, otherwise you would not be typing. You are using your

senses to live.

-geovanito-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> There is no " the manifest " .

> -t-

>

> There is the manifest, otherwise you would not be typing. You are

> using your

> senses to live.

> -geovanito-

 

Never mind, Geo.

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fewtch

Nisargadatta

Friday, September 04, 2009 5:51 PM

Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

seing....(corrected)

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> There is no " the manifest " .

> -t-

>

> There is the manifest, otherwise you would not be typing. You are

> using your

> senses to live.

> -geovanito-

 

Never mind, Geo.

-t-

 

Yes...never mind...I dont give a damm for all this..I am totaly

unatached....I am alone and self-sufficient...

-geovanizinho-

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fewtch

Nisargadatta

Friday, September 04, 2009 6:02 PM

Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

seing....(corrected)

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> fewtch

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 5:51 PM

> Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

> seing....(corrected)

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> > There is no " the manifest " .

> > -t-

> >

> > There is the manifest, otherwise you would not be typing. You are

> > using your

> > senses to live.

> > -geovanito-

>

> Never mind, Geo.

> -t-

>

> Yes...never mind...I dont give a damm for all this..I am totaly

> unatached....I am alone and self-sufficient...

> -geovanizinho-

 

Good.

-t-

 

No, no...dont go...I need you!!

-geozinho-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

>

> -

> fewtch

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, September 04, 2009 6:02 PM

> Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

> seing....(corrected)

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > -

> > fewtch

> > Nisargadatta

> > Friday, September 04, 2009 5:51 PM

> > Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

> > seing....(corrected)

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

> > >

> > > There is no " the manifest " .

> > > -t-

> > >

> > > There is the manifest, otherwise you would not be typing. You are

> > > using your

> > > senses to live.

> > > -geovanito-

> >

> > Never mind, Geo.

> > -t-

> >

> > Yes...never mind...I dont give a damm for all this..I am totaly

> > unatached....I am alone and self-sufficient...

> > -geovanizinho-

>

> Good.

> -t-

>

> No, no...dont go...I need you!!

> -geozinho-

 

ROTFL...

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

 

>

> Simple. The manifest is limited, bounded, sense-dependent.

> -geo-

 

 

Only if you exist as a cognizing being apart from the nothing to see

manifestation as bounded.

 

What does the manifest " look like " to the unmanifest?

 

Who is " looking at " the manifest?

 

Where did a boundary line come between the unmanifest and manifest?

 

 

Here is an apple.

 

Yes, it is bounded, it is set apart from the table it sits on.

 

It is red, the table is brown.

 

 

Yet, what is this apple as it manifests appleness?

 

Is it in any way arising disconnected from everything else, not the apple?

 

 

Is there any actual division between apple and not-apple in the arising, in the

manifesting of it?

 

And between the " beholder of the apple " and " the apple " ?

 

 

And between the " manifestation " and " the unmanifest " ?

 

 

-- D --

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dan330033

Nisargadatta

Friday, September 04, 2009 9:03 PM

Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

seing....(corrected)

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

 

>

> Simple. The manifest is limited, bounded, sense-dependent.

> -geo-

 

Only if you exist as a cognizing being apart from the nothing to see

manifestation as bounded.

 

What does the manifest " look like " to the unmanifest?

 

geo> As this.

 

Who is " looking at " the manifest?

 

geo> That is the question being answered.

 

Where did a boundary line come between the unmanifest and manifest?

 

geo> Dont know.

 

Here is an apple.

 

Yes, it is bounded, it is set apart from the table it sits on.

 

It is red, the table is brown.

 

Yet, what is this apple as it manifests appleness?

 

Is it in any way arising disconnected from everything else, not the apple?

 

Is there any actual division between apple and not-apple in the arising, in

the manifesting of it?

 

And between the " beholder of the apple " and " the apple " ?

 

And between the " manifestation " and " the unmanifest " ?

 

-- D --

 

Haa...there is no boundary. But the manifest is limited in an unspeakable

way....perhaps because it has qualities, it changes.

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> Haa...there is no boundary. But the manifest is limited in an

> unspeakable

> way....perhaps because it has qualities, it changes.

> -geo-

 

Accept fully the limitations, and you may find 'the unlimited' dwelling in those

very limitations.

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fewtch

Nisargadatta

Friday, September 04, 2009 9:58 PM

Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

seing....(corrected)

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

>

> Haa...there is no boundary. But the manifest is limited in an

> unspeakable

> way....perhaps because it has qualities, it changes.

> -geo-

 

Accept fully the limitations, and you may find 'the unlimited' dwelling in

those very limitations.

-t-

 

Oh yes. There is no question of not accepting - it just is. And yes, the

unlimited is found in all and any limitation - yes. In the large, in the

smalest...even in the most inconvenient :>)

-geo-

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

 

>

> Haa...there is no boundary. But the manifest is limited in an unspeakable

> way....perhaps because it has qualities, it changes.

> -geo-

 

 

Yes, I see your point.

 

But is that limit really limiting?

 

Or is it the fulfillment of every possible possibility?

 

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

 

>

> Oh yes. There is no question of not accepting - it just is. And yes, the

> unlimited is found in all and any limitation - yes. In the large, in the

> smalest...even in the most inconvenient :>)

> -geo-

 

It just is.

 

And for the guy in the concentration camp, being starved and tortured, it is

hell.

 

As long as that experience lasts.

 

And nondual ideas and talk are of no use there.

 

Such ideas as we bandy about are a luxury, for those who have spare time and

energy and enjoy the give and take.

 

But the heart of the matter is another story.

 

It includes the truly horrendous as well as the utterly beautiful.

 

 

 

The " error " of self-centeredness and all the attending disasters, are simply an

aspect of " manifestation. "

 

There is no volition to any of it.

 

 

- D -

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Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote:

>

> >

> > Oh yes. There is no question of not accepting - it just is. And yes, the

> > unlimited is found in all and any limitation - yes. In the large, in the

> > smalest...even in the most inconvenient :>)

> > -geo-

>

> It just is.

>

> And for the guy in the concentration camp, being starved and tortured, it is

hell.

>

> As long as that experience lasts.

>

> And nondual ideas and talk are of no use there.

>

> Such ideas as we bandy about are a luxury, for those who have spare > time and

energy and enjoy the give and take.

 

Bandy about!

 

I'll have you know that my words are placed with precision and care!

 

(just had to say that ;-D).

 

Cheers...

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dan330033

Nisargadatta

Saturday, September 05, 2009 4:02 AM

Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

seing....(corrected)

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

 

>

> Haa...there is no boundary. But the manifest is limited in an unspeakable

> way....perhaps because it has qualities, it changes.

> -geo-

 

Yes, I see your point.

 

But is that limit really limiting?

 

Or is it the fulfillment of every possible possibility?

 

- D -

 

" Limited " absent of its limiting conotation - just the perception of a fact.

A spotlight limits the visual field to that spot.

-geo-

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dan330033

Nisargadatta

Saturday, September 05, 2009 4:06 AM

Re: there is neither seer, seen nor

seing....(corrected)

 

 

Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote:

 

>

> Oh yes. There is no question of not accepting - it just is. And yes, the

> unlimited is found in all and any limitation - yes. In the large, in the

> smalest...even in the most inconvenient :>)

> -geo-

 

It just is.

 

And for the guy in the concentration camp, being starved and tortured, it is

hell.

 

As long as that experience lasts.

 

And nondual ideas and talk are of no use there.

 

Such ideas as we bandy about are a luxury, for those who have spare time and

energy and enjoy the give and take.

 

But the heart of the matter is another story.

 

It includes the truly horrendous as well as the utterly beautiful.

 

The " error " of self-centeredness and all the attending disasters, are simply

an aspect of " manifestation. "

 

There is no volition to any of it.

 

- D -

 

It is there...as an ancient stream

-geo-