Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Religion is an important part of the horizontal thought stream. For the self.....it a refuge in its imaginary isolation. Religion.......or any belief in a higher power......functions to keep the machinery greased and the sense of self stupified. But.......for a few......who journey this most peculiar road.....it is a block that will stop the search in its tracks. It gives the sense that the truth of things is already at hand. Why are things the way they are? Well...........that's because God made it that way. There is an alternative but is doesn't involve God and his legions. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Religion is an important part of the horizontal thought stream. > > For the self.....it a refuge in its imaginary isolation. > > Religion.......or any belief in a higher power......functions to keep the machinery greased and the sense of self stupified. > > But.......for a few......who journey this most peculiar road.....it is a block that will stop the search in its tracks. > > It gives the sense that the truth of things is already at hand. > > Why are things the way they are? > > Well...........that's because God made it that way. > > There is an alternative but is doesn't involve God and his legions. > > Man has always sought what he considered god, truth, always striven after it, out of fear out of his hopelessness, out of his despair, disaster, death, he has sought it. And thought he found it. And the discovery of that he began to organize. And, you remember that famous story - the devil and his friend were walking one day down the street and they saw a man in front of them pick up something very shiny. And the man looked at it in great delight, ecstasy. And the friend of the devil asked, what was that, what did he pick up. Oh, he said, the devil said, oh, it is part of the truth. And the friend says, then it's a very bad business for you, if a man has found truth on a pavement, it's very bad business, you will have no place. He said, not at all my friend, I'm going to help him to organize it. Right? ( J. Krishmaurti ) Werner > > > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Religion is an important part of the horizontal thought stream. > > > > For the self.....it a refuge in its imaginary isolation. > > > > Religion.......or any belief in a higher power......functions to keep the machinery greased and the sense of self stupified. > > > > But.......for a few......who journey this most peculiar road.....it is a block that will stop the search in its tracks. > > > > It gives the sense that the truth of things is already at hand. > > > > Why are things the way they are? > > > > Well...........that's because God made it that way. > > > > There is an alternative but is doesn't involve God and his legions. > > > > > > > Man has always sought what he considered god, truth, always striven after it, out of fear out of his hopelessness, out of his despair, disaster, death, he has sought it. And thought he found it. And the discovery of that he began to organize. And, you remember that famous story - the devil and his friend were walking one day down the street and they saw a man in front of them pick up something very shiny. And the man looked at it in great delight, ecstasy. And the friend of the devil asked, what was that, what did he pick up. Oh, he said, the devil said, oh, it is part of the truth. And the friend says, then it's a very bad business for you, if a man has found truth on a pavement, it's very bad business, you will have no place. He said, not at all my friend, I'm going to help him to organize it. Right? > ( J. Krishmaurti ) > > > Werner > Lol. Quite the story, Werner, thanks for sharing. Organized truth is religion*, eh? Love, Anna *in a nutshell. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Religion is an important part of the horizontal thought stream. > > > > > > For the self.....it a refuge in its imaginary isolation. > > > > > > Religion.......or any belief in a higher power......functions to keep the machinery greased and the sense of self stupified. > > > > > > But.......for a few......who journey this most peculiar road.....it is a block that will stop the search in its tracks. > > > > > > It gives the sense that the truth of things is already at hand. > > > > > > Why are things the way they are? > > > > > > Well...........that's because God made it that way. > > > > > > There is an alternative but is doesn't involve God and his legions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Man has always sought what he considered god, truth, always striven after it, out of fear out of his hopelessness, out of his despair, disaster, death, he has sought it. And thought he found it. And the discovery of that he began to organize. And, you remember that famous story - the devil and his friend were walking one day down the street and they saw a man in front of them pick up something very shiny. And the man looked at it in great delight, ecstasy. And the friend of the devil asked, what was that, what did he pick up. Oh, he said, the devil said, oh, it is part of the truth. And the friend says, then it's a very bad business for you, if a man has found truth on a pavement, it's very bad business, you will have no place. He said, not at all my friend, I'm going to help him to organize it. Right? > > ( J. Krishmaurti ) > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Lol. Quite the story, Werner, thanks for sharing. > > Organized truth is religion*, eh? > If K would be still alive you could discuss your question with him but not with me. K said a lot about religion, mainly because most of his visitors wanted to speak about it. Here a short excerpt: K: You see religion is based on tradition. Religion is vast propaganda, as it is now. In India, here, anywhere, propaganda of theories of beliefs, of idolatry, worship, essentially based on the acceptance of a theory. Goodness is the very essence of culture. Religion is the transformation of man. Not all the beliefs, churches and the idolatry of the Christians or the Hindus. That's not religion. Werner > > Love, > Anna > > > *in a nutshell. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Religion is an important part of the horizontal thought stream. > > > > > > > > For the self.....it a refuge in its imaginary isolation. > > > > > > > > Religion.......or any belief in a higher power......functions to keep the machinery greased and the sense of self stupified. > > > > > > > > But.......for a few......who journey this most peculiar road.....it is a block that will stop the search in its tracks. > > > > > > > > It gives the sense that the truth of things is already at hand. > > > > > > > > Why are things the way they are? > > > > > > > > Well...........that's because God made it that way. > > > > > > > > There is an alternative but is doesn't involve God and his legions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Man has always sought what he considered god, truth, always striven after it, out of fear out of his hopelessness, out of his despair, disaster, death, he has sought it. And thought he found it. And the discovery of that he began to organize. And, you remember that famous story - the devil and his friend were walking one day down the street and they saw a man in front of them pick up something very shiny. And the man looked at it in great delight, ecstasy. And the friend of the devil asked, what was that, what did he pick up. Oh, he said, the devil said, oh, it is part of the truth. And the friend says, then it's a very bad business for you, if a man has found truth on a pavement, it's very bad business, you will have no place. He said, not at all my friend, I'm going to help him to organize it. Right? > > > ( J. Krishmaurti ) > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > Lol. Quite the story, Werner, thanks for sharing. > > > > Organized truth is religion*, eh? > > > > > If K would be still alive you could discuss your question with him but not with me. K said a lot about religion, mainly because most of his visitors wanted to speak about it. > > Here a short excerpt: > > K: You see religion is based on tradition. Religion is vast propaganda, as it is now. In India, here, anywhere, propaganda of theories of beliefs, of idolatry, worship, essentially based on the acceptance of a theory. > Goodness is the very essence of culture. Religion is the transformation of man. Not all the beliefs, churches and the idolatry of the Christians or the Hindus. That's not religion. > > Werner There's a saying not to discuss religion or politics. However, in a sense nonduality is the discussion of the politics of religion. Most folks don't want to talk about love, there's nothing to say, really. Just music, poetry, carnal love. The spiritual nature of man. ~A > > > > > Love, > > Anna > > > > > > *in a nutshell. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Religion is an important part of the horizontal thought stream. > > > > > > > > > > For the self.....it a refuge in its imaginary isolation. > > > > > > > > > > Religion.......or any belief in a higher power......functions to keep the machinery greased and the sense of self stupified. > > > > > > > > > > But.......for a few......who journey this most peculiar road.....it is a block that will stop the search in its tracks. > > > > > > > > > > It gives the sense that the truth of things is already at hand. > > > > > > > > > > Why are things the way they are? > > > > > > > > > > Well...........that's because God made it that way. > > > > > > > > > > There is an alternative but is doesn't involve God and his legions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Man has always sought what he considered god, truth, always striven after it, out of fear out of his hopelessness, out of his despair, disaster, death, he has sought it. And thought he found it. And the discovery of that he began to organize. And, you remember that famous story - the devil and his friend were walking one day down the street and they saw a man in front of them pick up something very shiny. And the man looked at it in great delight, ecstasy. And the friend of the devil asked, what was that, what did he pick up. Oh, he said, the devil said, oh, it is part of the truth. And the friend says, then it's a very bad business for you, if a man has found truth on a pavement, it's very bad business, you will have no place. He said, not at all my friend, I'm going to help him to organize it. Right? > > > > ( J. Krishmaurti ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lol. Quite the story, Werner, thanks for sharing. > > > > > > Organized truth is religion*, eh? > > > > > > > > > If K would be still alive you could discuss your question with him but not with me. K said a lot about religion, mainly because most of his visitors wanted to speak about it. > > > > Here a short excerpt: > > . > > K: You see religion is based on tradition. Religion is vast propaganda, as it is now. In India, here, anywhere, propaganda of theories of beliefs, of idolatry, worship, essentially based on the acceptance of a theory. > > Goodness is the very essence of culture. Religion is the transformation of man. Not all the beliefs, churches and the idolatry of the Christians or the Hindus. That's not religion. > > > Werner > > > > There's a saying not to discuss religion or politics. However, in a sense nonduality is the discussion of the politics of religion. Ok, you are an expert in nonduality, Anna, and I am not. Yout must discuss this with someone else > > Most folks don't want to talk enabout love, there's nothing to say, really. Just music, poetry, carnal love. The spiritual nature of man. I also don't want to talk about love. But you are an expert in love and as it seems also an expert of the spiritual nature of man. I have no idea what that is. You must discuss this with other experts on this list. Werner > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > *in a nutshell. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Religion is an important part of the horizontal thought stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > For the self.....it a refuge in its imaginary isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Religion.......or any belief in a higher power......functions to keep the machinery greased and the sense of self stupified. > > > > > > > > > > > > But.......for a few......who journey this most peculiar road.....it is a block that will stop the search in its tracks. > > > > > > > > > > > > It gives the sense that the truth of things is already at hand. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are things the way they are? > > > > > > > > > > > > Well...........that's because God made it that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an alternative but is doesn't involve God and his legions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Man has always sought what he considered god, truth, always striven after it, out of fear out of his hopelessness, out of his despair, disaster, death, he has sought it. And thought he found it. And the discovery of that he began to organize. And, you remember that famous story - the devil and his friend were walking one day down the street and they saw a man in front of them pick up something very shiny. And the man looked at it in great delight, ecstasy. And the friend of the devil asked, what was that, what did he pick up. Oh, he said, the devil said, oh, it is part of the truth. And the friend says, then it's a very bad business for you, if a man has found truth on a pavement, it's very bad business, you will have no place. He said, not at all my friend, I'm going to help him to organize it. Right? > > > > > ( J. Krishmaurti ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lol. Quite the story, Werner, thanks for sharing. > > > > > > > > Organized truth is religion*, eh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > If K would be still alive you could discuss your question with him but not with me. K said a lot about religion, mainly because most of his visitors wanted to speak about it. > > > > > > Here a short excerpt: > > > . > > > > K: You see religion is based on tradition. Religion is vast propaganda, as it is now. In India, here, anywhere, propaganda of theories of beliefs, of idolatry, worship, essentially based on the acceptance of a theory. > > > Goodness is the very essence of culture. Religion is the transformation of man. Not all the beliefs, churches and the idolatry of the Christians or the Hindus. That's not religion. > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > There's a saying not to discuss religion or politics. However, in a sense nonduality is the discussion of the politics of religion. > > > > Ok, you are an expert in nonduality, Anna, and I am not. Yout must discuss this with someone else Well, alrightyyyyy then.....we have nothing to talk about. > > > > > > Most folks don't want to talk enabout love, there's nothing to say, really. Just music, poetry, carnal love. The spiritual nature of man. > > > I also don't want to talk about love. But you are an expert in love and as it seems also an expert of the spiritual nature of man. I have no idea what that is. You must discuss this with other experts on this list. > > Werner Well, alrightyyyy then. We have nothing to talk about. Have a good life. ~A > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > *in a nutshell. ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Religion is an important part of the horizontal thought stream. > > > > > > > > > > For the self.....it a refuge in its imaginary isolation. > > > > > > > > > > Religion.......or any belief in a higher power......functions to keep the machinery greased and the sense of self stupified. > > > > > > > > > > But.......for a few......who journey this most peculiar road.....it is a block that will stop the search in its tracks. > > > > > > > > > > It gives the sense that the truth of things is already at hand. > > > > > > > > > > Why are things the way they are? > > > > > > > > > > Well...........that's because God made it that way. > > > > > > > > > > There is an alternative but is doesn't involve God and his legions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Man has always sought what he considered god, truth, always striven after it, out of fear out of his hopelessness, out of his despair, disaster, death, he has sought it. And thought he found it. And the discovery of that he began to organize. And, you remember that famous story - the devil and his friend were walking one day down the street and they saw a man in front of them pick up something very shiny. And the man looked at it in great delight, ecstasy. And the friend of the devil asked, what was that, what did he pick up. Oh, he said, the devil said, oh, it is part of the truth. And the friend says, then it's a very bad business for you, if a man has found truth on a pavement, it's very bad business, you will have no place. He said, not at all my friend, I'm going to help him to organize it. Right? > > > > ( J. Krishmaurti ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lol. Quite the story, Werner, thanks for sharing. > > > > > > Organized truth is religion*, eh? > > > > > > > > > If K would be still alive you could discuss your question with him but not with me. K said a lot about religion, mainly because most of his visitors wanted to speak about it. > > > > Here a short excerpt: > > > > K: You see religion is based on tradition. Religion is vast propaganda, as it is now. In India, here, anywhere, propaganda of theories of beliefs, of idolatry, worship, essentially based on the acceptance of a theory. > > Goodness is the very essence of culture. Religion is the transformation of man. Not all the beliefs, churches and the idolatry of the Christians or the Hindus. That's not religion. > > > > Werner > > > > There's a saying not to discuss religion or politics. However, in a sense nonduality is the discussion of the politics of religion. > > Most folks don't want to talk about love, there's nothing to say, really. Just music, poetry, carnal love. The spiritual nature of man. > > ~A What about when there's no music or poetry or carnal love available? What of one who is aging, ugly, financially stressed, hungry, diabetic, poor hearing, a deceased spouse, and no one interested in carnal love? What love is available for this one? And is that a love that is different for the one who is young, healthy, a great musician, dancer, and lover? What is the primordial love? What is your original body, before your parents conceived you? - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Religion is an important part of the horizontal thought stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > For the self.....it a refuge in its imaginary isolation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Religion.......or any belief in a higher power......functions to keep the machinery greased and the sense of self stupified. > > > > > > > > > > > > But.......for a few......who journey this most peculiar road.....it is a block that will stop the search in its tracks. > > > > > > > > > > > > It gives the sense that the truth of things is already at hand. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are things the way they are? > > > > > > > > > > > > Well...........that's because God made it that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an alternative but is doesn't involve God and his legions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Man has always sought what he considered god, truth, always striven after it, out of fear out of his hopelessness, out of his despair, disaster, death, he has sought it. And thought he found it. And the discovery of that he began to organize. And, you remember that famous story - the devil and his friend were walking one day down the street and they saw a man in front of them pick up something very shiny. And the man looked at it in great delight, ecstasy. And the friend of the devil asked, what was that, what did he pick up. Oh, he said, the devil said, oh, it is part of the truth. And the friend says, then it's a very bad business for you, if a man has found truth on a pavement, it's very bad business, you will have no place. He said, not at all my friend, I'm going to help him to organize it. Right? > > > > > ( J. Krishmaurti ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lol. Quite the story, Werner, thanks for sharing. > > > > > > > > Organized truth is religion*, eh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > If K would be still alive you could discuss your question with him but not with me. K said a lot about religion, mainly because most of his visitors wanted to speak about it. > > > > > > Here a short excerpt: > > > . > > > > K: You see religion is based on tradition. Religion is vast propaganda, as it is now. In India, here, anywhere, propaganda of theories of beliefs, of idolatry, worship, essentially based on the acceptance of a theory. > > > Goodness is the very essence of culture. Religion is the transformation of man. Not all the beliefs, churches and the idolatry of the Christians or the Hindus. That's not religion. > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > There's a saying not to discuss religion or politics. However, in a sense nonduality is the discussion of the politics of religion. > > > > Ok, you are an expert in nonduality, Anna, and I am not. Yout must discuss this with someone else > > > > > > Most folks don't want to talk enabout love, there's nothing to say, really. Just music, poetry, carnal love. The spiritual nature of man. > > > I also don't want to talk about love. But you are an expert in love and as it seems also an expert of the spiritual nature of man. I have no idea what that is. You must discuss this with other experts on this list. > > Werner Yes, there are no experts in the kingdom of heaven, only a little child with a single eye. Which is to say, one who is aware, is simply present, and is the present. No position for an expert in anything. - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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