Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 An example of 'objective knowledge' is when Toom talks of the self, and says " it " does this, and that. That is a pretend objectifying, imagining to be " having " a self. And, what is there to have a self... a second self? ;-). It's all silliness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 - fewtch Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 08, 2009 7:46 PM Geo / " Objective knowledge " An example of 'objective knowledge' is when Toom talks of the self, and says " it " does this, and that. That is a pretend objectifying, imagining to be " having " a self. And, what is there to have a self... a second self? ;-). It's all silliness. -t- Well yes...that may be. But there is another way to interpret objective " wisdom " . Now carefull......:>)).........meditation........ Consciousness is objective to emptiness/no-thingness -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Well yes...that may be. > But there is another way to interpret objective " wisdom " . > > > Now carefull......:>)).........meditation........ > > > Consciousness is objective to emptiness/no-thingness > -geo- No, there are no separate " things " called " consciousness " and " emptiness/no-thingness " . The words make it look so. It is not so. There really is nothing objective, aside from what words suggest in/as thought-contents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 - fewtch Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:01 PM Re: Geo / " Objective knowledge " Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Well yes...that may be. > But there is another way to interpret objective " wisdom " . > > > Now carefull......:>)).........meditation........ > > > Consciousness is objective to emptiness/no-thingness > -geo- No, there are no separate " things " called " consciousness " and " emptiness/no-thingness " . The words make it look so. It is not so. There really is nothing objective, aside from what words suggest in/as thought-contents. -t- I accept your perspective with the exception of the word no.....too hasty :>) I understand what you say...still.... -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > I accept your perspective with the exception of the word no.....too hasty > > :>) > > I understand what you say...still.... > > -geo- > > There is absolutely no such thing as objectivity. I say this with complete confidence. > > No one in the history of mankind has ever 'know' or 'experienced' anything resembling objectivity. > > Nothing has ever been in relation to 'something else'. P.S. it's worth looking into how human beings define " the objective " . Usually it's in terms of numbers. The more people that agree on something, the more " objective " it's considered to be. But... fifty, one hundred, a million, ten trillion, or even an infinity of subjective viewpoints don't make an objective viewpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Well yes...that may be. > > But there is another way to interpret objective " wisdom " . > > > > > > Now carefull......:>)).........meditation........ > > > > > > Consciousness is objective to emptiness/no-thingness > > -geo- > > No, there are no separate " things " called " consciousness " and " emptiness/no-thingness " . > > The words make it look so. It is not so. > > There really is nothing objective, aside from what words suggest in/as thought-contents. Indeed. If inside and outside " don't make sense, " then how is subjective and objective going to " make sense " ? It's tied together. Along with yesterday, today, and tomorrow. With awareness not situated or bounded, there is no outside of it, hence nothing contained inside, hence no place for any object either inside or outside, hence no subject, hence no way to define space (nothing is near or far) and no basis for time (in the same way, nothing is close or distant, temporally or spatially). - D - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:06 PM Re: Geo / " Objective knowledge " Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Well yes...that may be. > > But there is another way to interpret objective " wisdom " . > > > > > > Now carefull......:>)).........meditation........ > > > > > > Consciousness is objective to emptiness/no-thingness > > -geo- > > No, there are no separate " things " called " consciousness " and > " emptiness/no-thingness " . > > The words make it look so. It is not so. > > There really is nothing objective, aside from what words suggest in/as > thought-contents. Indeed. If inside and outside " don't make sense, " then how is subjective and objective going to " make sense " ? It's tied together. Along with yesterday, today, and tomorrow. With awareness not situated or bounded, there is no outside of it, hence nothing contained inside, hence no place for any object either inside or outside, hence no subject, hence no way to define space (nothing is near or far) and no basis for time (in the same way, nothing is close or distant, temporally or spatially). - D - Yes. I know. Its all in the same side. What happens is that among the diversity of what is, some change faster, others slower (in relation to a life span), and a certain no-thing seems to never change. So to be able to talk about it we invent subjective-objective stuff... Its all one. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 9/9/2009 09:22:51 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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