Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " douglasmitch1963 " <douglasmitch1963@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What does it mean, the present? Have you ever tried to live in the present, to > > > > > deny the past, deny the future and live completely in the present? How can you > > > > > deny the past? You cannot scrub it away! The past is of time, your memories, > > > > > your experiences, your conditioning, your tendencies, your urges, your > > > > > animalistic instincts, intuitions, demands, pursuits - all that is the past. The > > > > > whole of the consciousness is the past, the whole of it. And to say, " I will > > > > > deny all that and try to live in the present " has no meaning; but if you > > > > > understand the process of time, which is the past, all the conditioning, all the > > > > > background which flows through the present and forms the future - if you > > > > > understand this whole movement of time, then when there is no observer as one > > > > > who says, " I must be " or " I must not be " , then only is it possible to live not > > > > > in the past, not in the future, not in the " now " . Then you are living in a > > > > > totally different dimension which has no relationship to time. > > > > > > > > > > (Saanen, 1966) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This totally different dimension is the eternal, which is timeless, hence NOW. NOW knows no time. NOW is the eternal present. All happens in the NOW, including the past. When thinking of the past... the content of consciousness as K would say...that thinking is happening in the NOW. NOW is not the past, rather the thinking of the past happens in the NOW. This is basic Advaita as i understand it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Douglas, > > > > > > Neuroscience has proven that the brain needs for the creation of consciousness between 200msecs and 500msecs. Which means when you seem to hear a bang 'now' then in reality it already has passed and was gone. > > > > > > Therefore the NOW is an illusion we cannot solve or catch with the instrument of consciousness. Consciousness always is to late and is in any case the past. > > > > > > Therefore also this lovely idea of an erternal now remains just an idea and nothing else. It is an idea we cannot make true. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > How about calling it the " eternal-almost-now " ? > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Haha, Toomb, > > I hope I won't forget it again. But I must confess that I am a bit shy to use that term you suggested. > > > > Werner > You could collect a bunch a followers........but they would always be a half second behind you. :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Geo, > > Instead of constantly posting new little 'mental suprises' better stop for a > while your intellectual clowning and answer your questions yourself. > > Werner > > Your request - as you say - is comming from consciousness, memory, > the past, full of prejudices and pre-conceptions. I am not interested. > -geo- Fwiw, I'd suggest to ignore the trolls, Geo. Posting even the above is encouragement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me some now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Toom is reading this now. > > > > > > > > No I'm not....I'm writing this now..... > > Yes... it's still now, isn't it? Well........it was. > > > All time is then. > > Now is not in time. > Who is that experiences this " now " thing? Could it be the group of memories that you call Tim? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > fewtch > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:34 AM > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > True. So what is the nature of that which aknowledges change/time? > > > -geo- > > > > It's just memory, isn't it? There isn't anything separate from memory to > > " acknowedge " anything... memory arises of the past, which seems different > > than the present, and so it seems something has changed. > > -t- > > > > Memory aknowledging memory? Time seeing time? Change looking at change? Is > > it? > > -geo- > > You're trying to locate a " separate observer " that isn't there. > Then who lives in the " now " ? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 - wwoehr Nisargadatta Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Geo, > > Instead of constantly posting new little 'mental suprises' better stop for > a > while your intellectual clowning and answer your questions yourself. > > Werner > > Your request - as you say - is comming from consciousness, memory, the > past, full of prejudices and pre-conceptions. I am not interested. > -geo- > Which means you will go on clowning, Geo ? Werner Werner, is consciousness, the past, memory, able to look at itself? Is this looking not from the past and so meningless? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 9/9/2009 12:11:58 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > fewtch > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:45 AM > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > fewtch > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:44 AM > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > fewtch > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 10:34 AM > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > True. So what is the nature of that which aknowledges change/time? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > It's just memory, isn't it? There isn't anything separate from memory > > > to > > > " acknowedge " anything... memory arises of the past, which seems > > > different > > > than the present, and so it seems something has changed. > > > -t- > > > > > > Memory aknowledging memory? Time seeing time? Change looking at > > > change? > > > Is > > > it? > > > -geo- > > > > You're trying to locate a " separate observer " that isn't there. > > -t- > > > > No I am not. How would you describe the difference between gold and a > > golden > > ring? > > Consciousness is a set of golden things. > > -geo- > > Describe/define " consciousness " . I really haven't a clue what you're > talking > about. > -t- > > No. I am asking how would you describe the difference between gold and a > golden ring. Are they different or the same? > -geo- > > > > They are samifferent. toombaru Thats it!! LOL -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 9/9/2009 12:11:58 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:15 PM Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me some now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Toom is reading this now. > > > > > > > > No I'm not....I'm writing this now..... > > Yes... it's still now, isn't it? Well........it was. > > > All time is then. > > Now is not in time. > Who is that experiences this " now " thing? Could it be the group of memories that you call Tim? toombaru Toomba....how can memories experience something? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 9/9/2009 12:17:04 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:18 PM Re: Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past - wwoehr Nisargadatta Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Geo, > > Instead of constantly posting new little 'mental suprises' better stop for > a > while your intellectual clowning and answer your questions yourself. > > Werner > > Your request - as you say - is comming from consciousness, memory, the > past, full of prejudices and pre-conceptions. I am not interested. > -geo- > Which means you will go on clowning, Geo ? Werner Werner, is consciousness, the past, memory, able to look at itself? Is this looking not from the past and so meningless? See? When you say that all is consciousness, that statement is the past, memory.....so has no value, is meaningless. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 9/9/2009 12:11:58 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 9/9/2009 12:22:37 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Geo, > > > > Instead of constantly posting new little 'mental suprises' better stop for > > a > > while your intellectual clowning and answer your questions yourself. > > > > Werner > > > > Your request - as you say - is comming from consciousness, memory, the > > past, full of prejudices and pre-conceptions. I am not interested. > > -geo- > > > > Which means you will go on clowning, Geo ? > > Werner > > Werner, is consciousness, the past, memory, able to look at itself? Is this > looking not from the past and so meningless? > -geo- > Again a question, Geo, But ok, we had that already several times: Consciousness is its content and such a content cannot look, neither at itself nor a something else. Nor can it speak, cry, jump, dance or whatever else. A content is just a content. Now, after you have read this, you can go on clowning. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , "toombaru2006" <lastrain wrote:>> > Show me some now. > toombaruFewtch wrote... > Toom is reading this now. These words are arising in/as/through 'now'. They are not arising "then". > It seems to me that nothing, even these typed words, is ever "arising"...all has always already arisen. Michael A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Show me some now. > > > toombaru > > Fewtch wrote... > > > Toom is reading this now. These words are arising in/as/through 'now'. They are not arising " then " . > > > It seems to me that nothing, even these typed words, is ever " arising " ...all has always already arisen. > > Michael A These words are actively arising in and through 'now', as they are read and parsed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 - " wwoehr " <wwoehr <Nisargadatta > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:35 PM Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: >> >> >> - >> wwoehr >> Nisargadatta >> Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM >> Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past >> >> >> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: >> > >> > Geo, >> > >> > Instead of constantly posting new little 'mental suprises' better stop >> > for >> > a >> > while your intellectual clowning and answer your questions yourself. >> > >> > Werner >> > >> > Your request - as you say - is comming from consciousness, memory, the >> > past, full of prejudices and pre-conceptions. I am not interested. >> > -geo- >> > >> >> Which means you will go on clowning, Geo ? >> >> Werner >> >> Werner, is consciousness, the past, memory, able to look at itself? Is >> this >> looking not from the past and so meningless? >> -geo- >> > > > Again a question, Geo, > > But ok, we had that already several times: Consciousness is its content > and such a content cannot look, neither at itself nor a something else. > Nor can it speak, cry, jump, dance or whatever else. A content is just a > content. > > Now, after you have read this, you can go on clowning. > > Werner So who or what is writing then? Who or what says consciousness is its content? -geo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:15 PM > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me some now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Toom is reading this now. > > > > > > > > > > > > No I'm not....I'm writing this now..... > > > > Yes... it's still now, isn't it? > > Well........it was. > > > > > > All time is then. > > > > Now is not in time. > > > > Who is that experiences this " now " thing? > Could it be the group of memories that you call Tim? > > toombaru > > Toomba....how can memories experience something? > -geo- > > > > > > It is the synaptic self that is the repository of mnemonic experience. .....a virtual hall of mirrors....... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " fewtch " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Show me some now. > > > > > toombaru > > > > Fewtch wrote... > > > > > Toom is reading this now. These words are arising in/as/through 'now'. They are not arising " then " . > > > > > It seems to me that nothing, even these typed words, is ever " arising " ...all has always already arisen. > > > > Michael A > > These words are actively arising in and through 'now', as they are read and parsed. > So.....maybe we could say that " now " is the sphinkter between the two worlds? :-) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > " wwoehr " <wwoehr > <Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:35 PM > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> - > >> wwoehr > >> Nisargadatta > >> Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM > >> Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > >> > >> > >> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Geo, > >> > > >> > Instead of constantly posting new little 'mental suprises' better stop > >> > for > >> > a > >> > while your intellectual clowning and answer your questions yourself. > >> > > >> > Werner > >> > > >> > Your request - as you say - is comming from consciousness, memory, the > >> > past, full of prejudices and pre-conceptions. I am not interested. > >> > -geo- > >> > > >> > >> Which means you will go on clowning, Geo ? > >> > >> Werner > >> > >> Werner, is consciousness, the past, memory, able to look at itself? Is > >> this > >> looking not from the past and so meningless? > >> -geo- > >> > > > > > > Again a question, Geo, > > > > But ok, we had that already several times: Consciousness is its content > > and such a content cannot look, neither at itself nor a something else. > > Nor can it speak, cry, jump, dance or whatever else. A content is just a > > content. > > > > Now, after you have read this, you can go on clowning. > > > > Werner > > So who or what is writing then? Who or what says consciousness is its > content? > -geo- > Again a question, geo, questions, questions, endlessly ... What do you think is saying that consciousness is its content ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> > > <Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:35 PM > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> - > > >> wwoehr > > >> Nisargadatta > > >> Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM > > >> Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > >> > > >> > > >> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Geo, > > >> > > > >> > Instead of constantly posting new little 'mental suprises' better stop > > >> > for > > >> > a > > >> > while your intellectual clowning and answer your questions yourself. > > >> > > > >> > Werner > > >> > > > >> > Your request - as you say - is comming from consciousness, memory, the > > >> > past, full of prejudices and pre-conceptions. I am not interested. > > >> > -geo- > > >> > > > >> > > >> Which means you will go on clowning, Geo ? > > >> > > >> Werner > > >> > > >> Werner, is consciousness, the past, memory, able to look at itself? Is > > >> this > > >> looking not from the past and so meningless? > > >> -geo- > > >> > > > > > > > > > Again a question, Geo, > > > > > > But ok, we had that already several times: Consciousness is its content > > > and such a content cannot look, neither at itself nor a something else. > > > Nor can it speak, cry, jump, dance or whatever else. A content is just a > > > content. > > > > > > Now, after you have read this, you can go on clowning. > > > > > > Werner > > > > So who or what is writing then? Who or what says consciousness is its > > content? > > -geo- > > > > > Again a question, geo, questions, questions, endlessly ... > > What do you think is saying that consciousness is its content ? > > Werner > The content is saying that. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: snipping learned to make content easier to read... > > > So who or what is writing then? Who or what says consciousness is its > > > content? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > Again a question, geo, questions, questions, endlessly ... > > > > What do you think is saying that consciousness is its content ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > > The content is saying that. > > > > toombaru > However, it is never content with that. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > snipping learned to make content easier to read... > > > > > > So who or what is writing then? Who or what says consciousness is its > > > > content? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a question, geo, questions, questions, endlessly ... > > > > > > What do you think is saying that consciousness is its content ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > The content is saying that. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > However, it is never content with that. > > ~A > It is The Magnificent Discontent. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> > > > <Nisargadatta > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:35 PM > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> - > > > >> wwoehr > > > >> Nisargadatta > > > >> Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM > > > >> Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Geo, > > > >> > > > > >> > Instead of constantly posting new little 'mental suprises' better stop > > > >> > for > > > >> > a > > > >> > while your intellectual clowning and answer your questions yourself. > > > >> > > > > >> > Werner > > > >> > > > > >> > Your request - as you say - is comming from consciousness, memory, the > > > >> > past, full of prejudices and pre-conceptions. I am not interested. > > > >> > -geo- > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> Which means you will go on clowning, Geo ? > > > >> > > > >> Werner > > > >> > > > >> Werner, is consciousness, the past, memory, able to look at itself? Is > > > >> this > > > >> looking not from the past and so meningless? > > > >> -geo- > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a question, Geo, > > > > > > > > But ok, we had that already several times: Consciousness is its content > > > > and such a content cannot look, neither at itself nor a something else. > > > > Nor can it speak, cry, jump, dance or whatever else. A content is just a > > > > content. > > > > > > > > Now, after you have read this, you can go on clowning. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > So who or what is writing then? Who or what says consciousness is its > > > content? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > Again a question, geo, questions, questions, endlessly ... > > > > What do you think is saying that consciousness is its content ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > > The content is saying that. > > > > toombaru > Quite an interesting topic isn't it toomb, and worth a try. But you guessed wrong. A hint: Consciousness never is a doer or initiator. It is just kinda reporter. Next try, Toomb. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > <Nisargadatta > > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:35 PM > > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> - > > > > >> wwoehr > > > > >> Nisargadatta > > > > >> Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM > > > > >> Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Geo, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Instead of constantly posting new little 'mental suprises' better stop > > > > >> > for > > > > >> > a > > > > >> > while your intellectual clowning and answer your questions yourself. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Werner > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Your request - as you say - is comming from consciousness, memory, the > > > > >> > past, full of prejudices and pre-conceptions. I am not interested. > > > > >> > -geo- > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> Which means you will go on clowning, Geo ? > > > > >> > > > > >> Werner > > > > >> > > > > >> Werner, is consciousness, the past, memory, able to look at itself? Is > > > > >> this > > > > >> looking not from the past and so meningless? > > > > >> -geo- > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a question, Geo, > > > > > > > > > > But ok, we had that already several times: Consciousness is its content > > > > > and such a content cannot look, neither at itself nor a something else. > > > > > Nor can it speak, cry, jump, dance or whatever else. A content is just a > > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > Now, after you have read this, you can go on clowning. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > So who or what is writing then? Who or what says consciousness is its > > > > content? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a question, geo, questions, questions, endlessly ... > > > > > > What do you think is saying that consciousness is its content ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > The content is saying that. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Quite an interesting topic isn't it toomb, and worth a try. But you guessed wrong. > > A hint: Consciousness never is a doer or initiator. It is just kinda reporter. > > Next try, Toomb. > > Werner > The synaptic self is saying that. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , "Michael Adamson" <adamson wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "toombaru2006" <lastrain@> wrote:> >> > > > Show me some now.> > > toombaru> > Fewtch wrote...> > > Toom is reading this now. These words are arising in/as/through 'now'. They are not arising "then". >> > It seems to me that nothing, even these typed words, is ever "arising"...all has always already arisen. > > Michael AFewtch wrote... < These words are actively arising in and through 'now', as they are read and parsed.> If "these words" (or anything for that matter) are seen as "arising" that "arising-ness" (which is noticed) has already "arisen"...is already present. In other words, these words have "already risen". I never see what is arising...only what is already here/there or is. Saying that something is arising is simply a way of talking or thinking about something. It is conjecture, speculation, conceptualization...which also doesn't arise...it is already present. I don't know about you, but can't notice what isn't there to be noticed. For me there is no "before arising" and "after arising"...there's merely what's present. Speaking in terms of before and after is simply a pragmatic or useful way of communicating and functioning in the every-day world, such as "before the sun rises" it's difficult to see the terrain! Michael A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> > > > > > <Nisargadatta > > > > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:35 PM > > > > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> - > > > > > >> wwoehr > > > > > >> Nisargadatta > > > > > >> Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM > > > > > >> Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Geo, > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Instead of constantly posting new little 'mental suprises' better stop > > > > > >> > for > > > > > >> > a > > > > > >> > while your intellectual clowning and answer your questions yourself. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Werner > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Your request - as you say - is comming from consciousness, memory, the > > > > > >> > past, full of prejudices and pre-conceptions. I am not interested. > > > > > >> > -geo- > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Which means you will go on clowning, Geo ? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Werner > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Werner, is consciousness, the past, memory, able to look at itself? Is > > > > > >> this > > > > > >> looking not from the past and so meningless? > > > > > >> -geo- > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a question, Geo, > > > > > > > > > > > > But ok, we had that already several times: Consciousness is its content > > > > > > and such a content cannot look, neither at itself nor a something else. > > > > > > Nor can it speak, cry, jump, dance or whatever else. A content is just a > > > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, after you have read this, you can go on clowning. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > So who or what is writing then? Who or what says consciousness is its > > > > > content? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again a question, geo, questions, questions, endlessly ... > > > > > > > > What do you think is saying that consciousness is its content ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The content is saying that. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Quite an interesting topic isn't it toomb, and worth a try. But you guessed wrong. > > > > A hint: Consciousness never is a doer or initiator. It is just kinda reporter. > > > > Next try, Toomb. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > The synaptic self is saying that. > > > > > toombaru > Ok, Toomb, you won ! Not bad, not bad ... And therefore no more try. The quiz has closed. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Show me some now. > > > > > toombaru > > > > Fewtch wrote... > > > > > Toom is reading this now. These words are arising in/as/through 'now'. They are not arising " then " . > > > > > It seems to me that nothing, even these typed words, is ever " arising " ...all has always already arisen. > > > > Michael A > > Fewtch wrote... > > < These words are actively arising in and through 'now', as they are read and parsed.> > > If " these words " (or anything for that matter) are seen as " arising " that " arising-ness " (which is noticed) has already " arisen " ...is already present. In other words, these words have " already risen " . I never see what is arising...only what is already here/there or is. Saying that something is arising is simply a way of talking or thinking about something. It is conjecture, speculation, conceptualization...which also doesn't arise...it is already present. I don't know about you, but can't notice what isn't there to be noticed. For me there is no " before arising " and " after arising " ...there's merely what's present. Speaking in terms of before and after is simply a pragmatic or useful way of communicating and functioning in the every-day world, such as " before the sun rises " it's difficult to see the terrain! > > Michael A > Nice Michael The synaptic self emerges within the process of " freeze-framing " the perceptual-sentient input. It is never privy to the moment in which that occurs but surfaces downstream from from the processing plant. The only way it can experience its own concept of " this-moment " is by naming its dog " Now " . toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Wednesday, September 09, 2009 1:39 PM Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> > > <Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:35 PM > > Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> - > > >> wwoehr > > >> Nisargadatta > > >> Wednesday, September 09, 2009 12:07 PM > > >> Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past > > >> > > >> > > >> Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Geo, > > >> > > > >> > Instead of constantly posting new little 'mental suprises' better > > >> > stop > > >> > for > > >> > a > > >> > while your intellectual clowning and answer your questions > > >> > yourself. > > >> > > > >> > Werner > > >> > > > >> > Your request - as you say - is comming from consciousness, memory, > > >> > the > > >> > past, full of prejudices and pre-conceptions. I am not interested. > > >> > -geo- > > >> > > > >> > > >> Which means you will go on clowning, Geo ? > > >> > > >> Werner > > >> > > >> Werner, is consciousness, the past, memory, able to look at itself? > > >> Is > > >> this > > >> looking not from the past and so meningless? > > >> -geo- > > >> > > > > > > > > > Again a question, Geo, > > > > > > But ok, we had that already several times: Consciousness is its > > > content > > > and such a content cannot look, neither at itself nor a something > > > else. > > > Nor can it speak, cry, jump, dance or whatever else. A content is just > > > a > > > content. > > > > > > Now, after you have read this, you can go on clowning. > > > > > > Werner > > > > So who or what is writing then? Who or what says consciousness is its > > content? > > -geo- > > > > > Again a question, geo, questions, questions, endlessly ... > > What do you think is saying that consciousness is its content ? > > Werner > The content is saying that. toombaru As per his own understanding, yes. So it is just a belief -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 9/9/2009 15:23:47 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 - Michael Adamson Nisargadatta Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:19 PM Re: Krishnamurti: Consciousness is the Past Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Show me some now. > > > toombaru > > Fewtch wrote... > > > Toom is reading this now. These words are arising in/as/through 'now'. > > They are not arising " then " . > > > It seems to me that nothing, even these typed words, is ever > " arising " ...all has always already arisen. > > Michael A Fewtch wrote... < These words are actively arising in and through 'now', as they are read and parsed.> If " these words " (or anything for that matter) are seen as " arising " that " arising-ness " (which is noticed) has already " arisen " ...is already present. In other words, these words have " already risen " . I never see what is arising...only what is already here/there or is. Saying that something is arising is simply a way of talking or thinking about something. It is conjecture, speculation, conceptualization...which also doesn't arise...it is already present. I don't know about you, but can't notice what isn't there to be noticed. For me there is no " before arising " and " after arising " ...there's merely what's present. Speaking in terms of before and after is simply a pragmatic or useful way of communicating and functioning in the every-day world, such as " before the sun rises " it's difficult to see the terrain! Michael A Trying to get rid of memory is ridiculous. Many have tried and are still trying. One must not abdicate the world in the sense of loosing the basic sense of recognition. Nothing must be dropped in order to understand time. On the contrary: full understanding, awareness, seeing of this field of time/world is what is. It is timeless. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090816-0, 17/08/2009 Tested on: 9/9/2009 15:23:49 avast! - copyright © 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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